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Speaker 3 00:00:48 This is episode 297. Creating action from anger, a DMA teaching by Robert
Speaker 4 00:01:17 The Supreme court's recent ruling
Speaker 4 00:01:21 Is like invading us as if we're the Ukraine <laugh> and, and here my us is 80%. It isn't just so-called liberals or so-called Democrats. It's 80%, 80%. Don't want to have people shooting up to schools, 80% want good social security. They want single payer socialized medicine, healthcare like the NHS and England. And so seeming sort of neck connecting has to do with the confusion implemented by the, um, the oligarch admirers who want to be them who admire the ones that are already there and who, again, the ultimate oligarch is the dictator. So let me do a Dharma teaching, the main Dharma teaching that I'm into nowadays. And, but, and I've always been into it, but actually the reassuring side of Dharma, you know, even, you know, the Buddha said he gave a new meaning to the word Dharma, which by the way, for VEIC oriented Vaus oriented scholars and, and yogis.
Speaker 4 00:02:38 And so on the word dynamo was hardly ever used in the tic literature. This is a discovery by the great Patrick Ave, who is a wonderful translator of tic literature. And in his elder years, he also translated, uh, some parts of the Buddhas life story, the LA the amazing show on earth, but he didn't translate it like that. But that's what it means. Lata means a game or a play and has the double meaning of a play like a dramatic play and playing and Vita means magnificent or expansive or vast or so on. What's the name of the buds autobiography. You could call it so DMA. So Buddha gave DMA meant before that duty, but even then it wasn't much used. And it was mainly, he said the 18 times he found it written in the VAs pre Buddhist literature, uh, was, uh, in the context of the Royal Corona nation. When the Braman priest would Carine a king and therefore admit the duty of the king, because it comes from the verb, did it to hold and it means holding you in duty. And therefore it can mean law.
Speaker 4 00:03:57 It can mean, um, rule regulation, this kind of thing, you know, cuz it hold that holds your behavior. It holds your thinking. You know, it could be a doctrine like a, a dogma that you have to believe in. You have to repeat, you know, you can be di indoctrinated with so DMA can mean those things, but the Buddha added something. He said, no DMA means reality itself. And what's what what's great about that D what I have discovered this was Buddha's main discovery by the way, third noble truth. Third friendly fun fact is that, uh, reality holds you in freedom from suffering. So if we knew reality, we would be blissful. We would be happy. We would be content. There would be no death. There would be no pain. There would be nothing in other words, but not nothing. There would be nothing bad.
Speaker 4 00:05:00 Everything would be fine. Even, you know, some little bit of, of a, of a complication could, would be just, um, uh, you know, you could be overwritten by the basic blisfulness of life. That's what Dyna ma means. It holds you in freedom, holds you in security, from suffering so that you cannot have pain and suffering where it makes you, or you cannot have pain that makes you suffer. You pain might be something would alert you to while I shouldn't put my hand over in the fire there <laugh>, but so it could be like a communication, but not suffering. All right. And that is Buddha's great discovery. That is the third noble truth. That is Nirvana. That is the point of my book. Wisdom is bliss because Budha also was quick to acknowledge. We do suffer if we're not enlightened to reality. If meaning knowing reality, enlightened doesn't mean you have a light in your head.
Speaker 4 00:06:04 It means that you know what reality is. And then you discover that it is light. It's a kind of light. It's like a, it's an excellent light that it Brooks no shadow Brooks, no darkness. So it's a transparent light. You know, it doesn't create shadows, cuz it is a light that everything has the same light. So it doesn't shine on one from a thing to another in that way where one is deprived of it. And one has it sort of thing. The transparency clear light, what we call clear light <inaudible> that light is in everything. It is everything. It shapes itself even into its hard and solid objects. And we then think that's what they are as the hard solid object. Because we, we are miss knowing. We are not knowing what it really is transparency and we're totally inter flowing with it all. And so I wanna stress this point, you know?
Speaker 4 00:07:07 So therefore I said, so miss knowing, and it's not just ignorance. It's not just that you don't know it's you actively wrongly know, you think, you know, but you don't, you're diluted. In other words like, uh, people like kavas Amy come Barrett, judge Thomas Alito, they, they miss know they're they MIS know they're even irrational. They're really wacky. They're imposing some sort of crazy thing on all of us to fanatics and we have to fix that and we will, we will believe me if you, if you do the right thing with your outrage, but I don't want to pump up outrage right now. First, I want to assure you a bunch of things. There will be no nuclear war by Putin. He will not use the nuclear weapons. He enjoys life a little bit somewhere in the midst of his madness. He's he's gone a little mad, but he's and the hands, a good side.
Speaker 4 00:08:11 He has two nice, beautiful daughters. I'm sure he had a good wife. He smiles when he rides a horse or something and he shows off his petrols toes, somebody in a Judah workout. And uh, so he has a good side and he will not use the nuclear weapons. If even if he tries the angels will prevent it. I promise you, there will be no nuclear war. One, two. We will survive the climate catastrophe because we will adapt to it and change it. And we will stop it. We will stop its worst manifestation. We will not allow even a few of the Petro paths. I call them petroleum psychopaths. That means, but or sociopaths petroleum sociopaths. I call 'em just simply Petro pads. They will not succeed in destroying all life on earth, even though they're bent on, they don't think that's irrational because they think life is pointless.
Speaker 4 00:09:09 Meaningless. It's just some sort of we're biological robots. We have no soul. They have no future. We become nothing when we die. So they just wanna grab and guzzle and consume as much as they can before being nothing or before returning to what they really think they are, which is actually nothing. The robot is just running around, you know? So they want to have a happy robot temporarily thinking that guzzling, endless steaks and wines and liquors and women and children and whatever men, if they're women is just that's it with the book that helps, that makes the robot cheer up and then they die. And they're nothing. So then that's that. And there's no consequence. So they're them. They think they're rational. And if that was reality, it would be rational. And it's, it's incredibly obvious that it's irrational because nothing is nothing. That's a deep dorm teaching to know that nothing is nothing.
Speaker 4 00:10:12 It's not a place. You can't go there. You're not there now because this is, we are not in nothing. Please read Kim Stanley Robinson's wonderful ministry for the future, which <affirmative>, which is a sci-fi novel set. However, on this earth in very realistic circumstances, only pro it's only called you could only call it sci-fi because, because science fiction because a is fiction and it's gripping. So you're enjoyable read, although a little, a little bit tense, but it's, but it's set in 2040 instead of now at 2040, all the bad trends that are going on now have gotten much worse in his sci-fi thing. But, but anybody who reads it and a lot of people have, and I am promoting it, although I don't know him, I don't get, I'm not his agent, but I admire him. I love him. I, I deeply deeply respect what he has achieved there showing us the way out.
Speaker 4 00:11:13 And by putting it in 20, 40, it's even more difficult than it would be. Now. It's already extremely difficult now because we didn't do it before. Uh, George Bush's friends stole the presidency in the year 2000. So, but anyway, by putting it so back to Kims Stanley Robinson and the ministry for the future, they do what we should be doing. Now we're gonna do it in the twenties. We're gonna have a ministry of the future and it's gonna really accelerate. So, uh, so I'm what I'm, I'm sorry. I'm digressing, you know, cause I'm in a good mood in spite of being upset and outraged, as you are by the recent demented writings of Mr. Thomas, who is the irrational person, somehow managed to get his way into like a position where he really has no business occupying. He really should be resigning shortly. So I'm just trying to assure you that this is all in terms of non desperation.
Speaker 4 00:12:18 If you feel outrage of things, being going wrong on this planet, you shouldn't do it and, and let it make you despair. And then that's, you know, people who despair, they shoot their grandmother in the face. They go shoot children. They do crazy things. They, they do wrong things or they kill themselves, which is really wrong by killing yourself. You're you're destroying a little bit of heaven cuz every human being has capacity for heaven for themselves. And for those who love them and who they love. Absolutely. So killing yourself is a completely mistake. Doesn't help at all. Cuz you don't become nothing. Whatever bad situation you feel you're in, it gets worse when you wreck your body really cause you don't, you can't destroy yourself. You're indestructible already. But the quality of how you're being indestructible is very transformable for good or ill. So you really should be working on transforming it towards the good it's only rational.
Speaker 4 00:13:17 It's not religion. It's not Buddhism. It's not Christianity. It's not Islam. It's not them. Although they all have aspects of it. It's their reality system. You would call it our belief system. It's really scientific psychology and physics about the nature of life. That's what it is. And the system of being educated to understand the nature of life, which we are able to do, that's all the good news. If we insist on not doing it and misunderstanding and, and imposing our delusion on our existence and on others, we will continue to be only occasionally cheered up and mostly unhappy.
Speaker 4 00:14:02 Okay? So the first big thing to award yourself and in our culture, particularly we're due to the authoritarian, militaristic violence, dominating governments that political sciences says even says, that's what a government is, is monopoly over the, an institution that has the monopoly over the use of violence in its territory. But actually government is not really violent. It a good government it's because people don't wanna wreck and destroy. It doesn't have to harm people because it helps them so much. There are very few criminals, very few murderers. People are conditioned to be happy and kind and compassionate and friendly and intelligent and they're educated to be intelligent. And uh, and so that's what a good government sees to that, that people internalize the ethic, the human ethic of do unto, unto others, as you would have them do unto unto you because we are the being all animals actually have to some extent, but in particular we are the being that can imagine being another being so we can empathize with others more than other animals do all moms in every animal kingdom, even egg laying moms do because they sort of know that the egg came out of their body.
Speaker 4 00:15:18 They are in a mammal, the egg is in the body. They know that. So they all have an ethic of altruism. All life does. Every cell in your body likes coagulating with the other cells. And that's why you have a body. That's why you can form into a body community. A body is a community <laugh> but it goes bad and you that's called cancer. It's some, some piece of that body wants to like wreck the rest of it.
Speaker 4 00:15:50 Okay. So that's my Dharma lesson. Now within that, I'm gonna talk Turkey here. I'm gonna talk forcefully, but the cheerly, there's a be of good cheer. My dear friend, who I haven't seen for too long because of, of now wanting to travel, Michael, Reverend Michael Beckwith over there in, uh, Los Angeles who gives great sermon called? Oh right already. I mean, he probably was other ones too, but that's the only one I heard right already. But everything is alright already. If you know what it is and you can know what it is, you must educate yourself to do so you have to investigate it. Okay.
Speaker 4 00:16:38 And uh, I forgot what he always says, Michael Michael Beckwith. Oh yeah. That, that everything is okay. You know, that's what Jesus had to say. That Buddha had to say that Muhammad too. He's not a main guy. And, and Moses and Abraham, Abraham means a compassionate father. Abha Raim, Raim. Raham those sounds mean compassion, empathy, because it's a word for the womb in thetic languages. I believe Raham Raim. Abbra Abraham, you know, rabbi Hillel, Jesus himself was Jewish. So compassionate Krishna is compassionate, which knew is compassionate. All those goddesses, the female gods goddess, female create tricks. They're compassionate. So everything is gonna be okay. It already is. Okay. So that being when we are being of, oh, he says be of good cheer. That's what I thought of Michael Beckel. He, he, and he quotes Jesus as saying be of good cheer.
Speaker 4 00:17:47 So you must do that. All of us. Okay. We can be outraged in form to show we won't tolerate harmful insanity, but we, but the people with whom we are critiquing or challenging or whatever it is, they can sense when we don't actually hate them. When we, when we are actually in a view that they also can be happy if they stop doing whatever evil thing they're doing. Okay. And so our preventive critical opposition forceful it's forceful is not based on hatred. Therefore there's restraint. Therefore it's done gently if possible. It's uh, even if it's done harshly because they're being so harsh, it's, doesn't overdue by hating them. I'm thinking they need to be destroyed or something. Okay. That's very key. That's was the key to good, uh, police work, you know, law is being gentle and being is really strong. Person also is always gentle cuz they know their strength. They're self confident, you know, the person who's vicious is weak. And so they don't think they can only get there by completely going nuts, you know? Okay. So, okay. So now we've had, now there's a few things I want to say.
Speaker 4 00:19:02 Liz Cheney and Benny Thompson, they're wonderful. And Adam Schiff and Kenzi and all those really wonderful people. They have shown what the department of justice should be showing in a grand jury setting that Trump poor Donald Trump is a criminal. He is guilty of trying to destroy America. He has been an asset of the Russian people around the Russian, not the people they don't wanna be live in a crypto themselves of the Russian oligos. He has been their asset in that his buildings have been laundering their money for 20, 30 years. Never mind whether he got paid on in Moscow and whatever, miss MIS universe Putins penthouse. And what nevermind about all that. Since the eighties he's been an asset of them. He also never really thought he could become president. He never thought so he just wanted to build up his name because that's the only thing he's able to sell before.
Speaker 4 00:20:13 You know? So having buildings with his name and then laundering money of Oli clerks and, and pretending to be an RK himself. Whereas he has always been in debt. He's always been, been, uh, you know, a bad, uh, bill payer, you know, a bad loan person and bankrupted many times and uh, tax cheater. I mean, he's, he's basically kind of a petty gangster because his big lie where, which you know, and you know what, the big lies you have to have a big lie doesn't mean it's a big lie. It's a technical term. It was devised for Hitler. And what it means in particular within the advertising industry and the sort of influencing industry is you tell people that your opponent is doing what you are actually doing in full sight of everybody you're doing it. And then you say the other one is doing it.
Speaker 4 00:21:07 So it's a kind of, it's so preposterous. In other words, the lie that people believe it because they think, well, that's too preposterous. If you just make it up. If you try, if he's relying, he would try to be clever and say something that was more plausible, but he's being completely implausible. Like, like, you know, like Hillary Clinton is cannibal or something like Wellesley graduate do good or girl scout, professional politic political girl scout is a cannibal. And I mean that that's called a big lie. Okay. So he's been trying to Rob the country. He robbed trying to Rob the presidency. He originally robbed the presidency the first time, in fact, and then he says other people are doing it. That's the culture, big lie. That's why they call that right. That's why we call them. So I mean, this is known and they've shown it now here's this is one of the main points I wanted to make today.
Speaker 4 00:22:06 As a criminal, he appointed with the collusion of Mitch McConnell, who himself is a crony of OIG D Paska, who is a Russian oligarch who McConnell got off the sanctions list since 2014 and pretended to build some aluminum plant in Kentucky, to aggrandize himself with McConnell, to help him get votes in Kentucky. And they never followed through with it though, because once he was off the list, he just went on with his oligarchic behavior. Dear Ole <laugh> my, I don't dislike oligarchs by the way, they're also clever. They've done their best. They've got those billions eventually sooner or later, if they keeps up, they end up giving it away because they get old and they eventually finally realize they're gonna die. And then they decide they wanna do something good. And then they start giving it away and then they can do great things. I, I don't hate them.
Speaker 4 00:23:06 I don't hate any billionaires. I like, I love them. They're wonderful. They get, they're pursuing a little bit delusive thing after the first billion <laugh> because every subsequent one, even the, after the first hundred or first tens of millions, cuz once you get that lot of money, then you just have to hire a lot of people. You worry about them cheating you or you're losing it. And it becomes a big stress. Doesn't really make you happy at all. It makes you really, because it's a huge responsibility that weighs upon you anyway. Um, so, so anyway, back to Trump, so they've shown that he's, he is, uh, predictable. And if somebody's not gonna be above the law and if we're going to honor our being a country of rule of laws and not of people, and then no one is above the law, he must be judged and convicted.
Speaker 4 00:24:03 And the reason people don't is that they're thinking, well, he's an ex-president and it's embarrassing for the great democracy to have to admit that a president was a criminal Nixon sort of spared us of all that. Cuz he resigned quickly. He was also a criminal, but he resigned quickly. And then, uh, and on the deal with, for to pardon him and then they pardon him. So it's not embarrassing. It proves that we are truly a democracy that, that someone can be a president and be an, an evil doer or in a sense, a wrong doer let's call it. Definitely. And he, and, and I wanna make this one point, this is my Eureka point announcement. One of my Eureka announcements of today, Trump never was the president of our United States. Never because it's not only that you have to have the numbers that some people are voted for him.
Speaker 4 00:24:57 He was not serving as the president. That's why he could have managed the, the, the, the epidemic, why he was trying to wreck the European union to please the Russian oligarchs started with Putin and he was trying to not support Ukraine to please them so they could grab it. He, you know, they, so they kicked that he, he lauded them kicking England out England. They kicking itself out of the greatest organization on the planet since world war II founded to prevent world wars, which started in Europe and which often happened in Europe, but didn't happen for 80 years or whatever, uh, because of the European union and the foolish British pulled out without having an empire to pull out into <laugh> because he wasn't being servant of us. He was not our president from his own perspective. He was just a petty gangster as Bob de Niro called him, who didn't even have a code of honor as a gangster, cuz he would turn on anybody.
Speaker 4 00:25:59 Like he was gonna hang pens when Pence wouldn't join him in his criminality. And so it's not an embarrassment to put him away. In fact, it's embarrassment. If we don't president means you serving the people, you're not just serving yourself and that he's not capable of that himself. Absolutely not. So that's the first point. It's not an embarrassment. He never was president from his own side, but denying he was elected. And even though many people voted, but 7 billion, less than voted for Biden and only because of Fox news, Fox news, the second main point of Fox news should be illegal, not the news part, but the opinion part. This is all really started by Reagan in 1981. My, my hero second person I wanna recommend and promote is Heather Cox Richardson. You can read her free postings on stack.com and she is giving us all big American history lessons two or three times a week.
Speaker 4 00:27:08 If not sometimes every day, she's a professor of American history somewhere and she is tremendous. And she really gives you really straightens us out about what is going on and what reality is about the thing, you know, really as a historian. And for example, the Buster, why does anybody take it seriously for a minute? Some pompous thing if you mention, well, it enables us to have a good dialogue in the Senate is a complete nonsense. You know, if you know, which I didn't know until I read from Heather Cox, I didn't know this. It was started by slave owners in the 1830s who were the minority. And they realized that the Mo the tide on planet earth, the ethical tide on planet earth was against human slavery in England earlier than in us. And so they wanted to rule as a minority, the government. So they infiltrated the institutions of government and then they kept cooked up this thing called the filibuster, pretending like, oh, have to worry about the minority.
Speaker 4 00:28:13 Whereas the founding fathers were into how majority rule is democracy. They never were so worried about minorities. In fact, they were disliking party systems, cuz they were thought party, people were becoming more loyal to the party than to the nation was dangerous to the nation. As we see it is now the way the Republicans are playing it in the past, it was the Democrats, uh, who were the slave owners and it was the Republicans who liberated them and Lincoln. And uh, and there was a terrible destructive war. How many people were killed and these people, the same kind of thing is happening now. And we have to, we should have knowledge of what happened in the past. So therefore filibuster is no, and it is no the minority people. When they a slimmest majority, they can cancel the filibuster right away. That's how they packed the court with three religious fanatics Catholics, by the way, to who, and by the way, I agree as a Buddhist, I agree that a fetus has a human soul.
Speaker 4 00:29:19 I do agree with that. All Buddhists do <inaudible> but then they say we don't legislate that. However, on top of people who don't believe that we can't because that's enforcing our spiritual beliefs, we don't have such a convincing. We can't prove it. You know? And well we can in a way, but not in a way that they would accept. So it is a sad thing, of course, abortion. Absolutely. And the miracle of giving birth and conceiving and gestating and creating a beautiful thing that all women can do is, is miraculous. And they should be so deeply honored for that. But you know, this legislating of what to do for them, even if they're raped or they're sick or they're, or it's economically destructive to their lives or whatever it may be, this is completely wrong. It's not democracy. It's not the founding fathers. It is not, it's not original.
Speaker 4 00:30:16 Originalism is a fake thing for some minority ruling. People who want don't forget, originalism goes back to a time when a tiny minority were the only people who voted white male landowners, no women, no, no Indians, no blacks, no immigrants who didn't know property, just a small number of property owners, white males. So if originalism, if we do that, we're back to the frontier. Yeah. And there's that. And then, and we, white men are too stupid and we are too like, uh, there's too much tech that would, that would magnify our bad tempers, our ill tempers because the women would be not nice to us because we'd be so domineering and therefore we'd be unhappy and irritable and destructive. So that originalism is a way of destroying all joy in life, where the most miserable places on planet earth, where women are chattel Saudi Arabia, which is not his must, Muhammad was not into that.
Speaker 4 00:31:24 Muhammad loved women. He honored them. He took care of them. He changed all rules of divorce and property and blah, blah. And, and Saudi Arabia is just coming up with some of their own like males. Showen this ridiculous thing and projecting it into Islam. It's not part of Islam, no way Saltan with HARs may have distorted some aspects of Islam, Judi jurisprudence in the thousands of 1400 Euro since Muhammad's time, but in Muhammad's dispensation his vision, his transmission of God's uh, good energy is no anti-women thing in there. Very pro women, a relative relative to the times.
Speaker 4 00:32:11 So, so, but, and this is, this is another made news flash. You, if you research it, you look up the name of Richard Viri V I G U E R I E. He was a big ride wing fundraiser. He was a pal of Jerry Falwell and the sort of moral majority in the late nineties have sort of bring the religious people into, into political power. You know, the idea. And then the high idea of dominion overcoming the old thing of separation of church and state that has given America its great spirituality. That's given us our democracy, not allowing the kind of, you know, religious nationalistic, religious militaristic, nationalistic, religion, government being an arm of the religion, not allowing that is what is all our creativity came from there. All America's fortune came from there. The people who asked Jefferson to be sure of that were the Baptist actually the evangelicals because they were a minority then against the Puritans sort of more mainstream Protestants. And therefore they didn't want to be persecuted by the Puritans, by the Congregationalists and the Methodists and these kind of people. So they demanded that. And now they are the ones who are doing dominion, where they want onboard Christian soldiers. They wanna Wiel nuclear weapons and Christ name and Jesus weeps. He Wes, when he thinks about them wanting to use his backing to legitimize violence.
Speaker 4 00:33:43 So anyway, therefore, before this happened, when Roe V Wade was first passed, pastors Baptist ones included were happy about it. They did not protest it. Maybe the Catholic church did because their Catholic church, you have to realize outside of America is in a demographic competition with Islam and Africa and south, especially in Africa and with Asian religions in Asia. So if anybody gets to be Catholic, they want more children out of them. So that's their nutty thing about even contraception. Do you know, like any male in their life, they have a million million sperms. So any male could have a million kids if they didn't have to like bear them in their womb. So the idea that you can't use contraception that that's somehow taken off, that is ridiculous. I'll take it. That's ridiculous. But they do that because they're, they want more members cuz they're into market share as a corporation.
Speaker 4 00:34:40 And those three people who, who unbalanced the court packed in there by Trump and McConnell in the most ridiculous filibuster nuclear option manner, you know, using the ability to cancel the filibuster when they felt like it. When they were not a big enough majority to pack the court, they put these LUS in there who are nice people in their own way, you know, but they are sort of burn you at the steak type of people. They have the light in their eye, GLIN in their eye. They, they think Jesus gives them right. Rightness righteousness to put anybody away where for whatever reason. So who look out and uh, that's really, you know, was Christians who burned all the wise women in Europe or centuries. I want you to know because they didn't listen to Jesus. Jesus never said burn. Some women who knew about herbal medicine who knew the cure for the Cnce hall, <laugh> SIA never.
Speaker 4 00:35:52 And yet how did they the inquisition and then unbelievable what they did. So this is a, you know, any, even Buddhist can be really bad too by being fanatical. Religious fanaticism is totally no good, no matter who is doing it. And in a way the pseudo religion of communism and Marxism is totally no good. Also would also, and the pseudo religion of different conspiracy theories is no good science. We need reason. We need to understand when we understand the world will be happy in the world. We'll be able to help create happiness with others in the world when we understand them. And it that's really key. So, so then now we come to the outrage of the, so when say the reason that the pastors didn't mind abortion, however, initially was Roe V. Wade. And everybody would like that is that there are many instances where women become pregnant when they really don't want to be pregnant and no one has a right to force them to do so they are not breed cows, they're human beings.
Speaker 4 00:36:58 And in addition to being women and they, uh, are getting abortions anyway, when that's, when their circumstances are such that they were doing that. And the, and the pastors knew that because the pastors kind of psychiatrists or their ERs or good ones are, so they were happy. They could have a healthy, not harmful, not coat hanger and weird chemicals or strange, strange, uh, you know, damaging physically damaging actions. For example, someone who wants to have many kids might want, have an abortion at, at, at 18 or 16 when they're not ready for that. So they don't want to damage the equipment so they can have kids when they have a good relationship when they're late to mid twenties, right? So those pastors were happy that they had medical help, but this Richard Viri knew this could become a good wedge issues. What they call 'em politics, wedge issue, which means it can be made into an emotional issue where people think they're really helping life.
Speaker 4 00:38:01 They're doing saintly things. They're dealing with satanic evil doers where they'll get all, they'll go become outraged and they'll be then victimized because they will take vote for people like Reagan, like the bushes like Trump, who actually, obviously, if you look with common sense with common cool, they're gonna harm you cuz they only like rich people. They want to take away your social security. They want to take away your healthcare. They want to take away your good school. They wanna take away everything and all get all the money for themselves. Use the government to make themselves into oligarchs. That's what the once Lincolns party, the Republican party that was party of liberation became since the sixties, especially after Eisenhower, but, and particularly in its times of power since Reagan, it became the party of the minority, super rich. And therefore in order to deceive the poor or the middle class and to take their money away from them to be more rich, they had to have wedge issues.
Speaker 4 00:39:16 And these are like cultural issues. Oh, gay people are really bad. People of other races are really bad. It's that black people who are on welfare, who are ruining you and why you can't get a job and why you feel so poor. It's not that your rich boss who takes away your union membership, who exports your job to China, where he can have slaves by upholding a dictatorship that enslaves its own people under communism. This is how you've been deceived. And uh, I meant, I mentioned Heather co Richardson because she says the time when America was really expanding people's rights, economic, civil cultural was, this can be counted by historian from 1933 to 1981. And in 1981 cumulatively working on it since I, since uh, gold water and Nixon and on the party of the rich of the over rich rather party of the over rich became more and more adept at their tax cut Santa Claus and overwhelmed the FDR and following social system, Santa Claus and deceived the people to that, that, that government was their enemy.
Speaker 4 00:40:41 And so progressively paralyzed the government until it reached the time in 2016, when it was so paralyzed that a completely unfit person could conceivably be numerically through the electoral college at least. And if not, popularly be the president. And actually w Bush was also unfamiliar unfit. His own father knew that he was play ball. He was not. Chaney knew that if we manipulated him, if we Chaney was the old Chaney was a Petro path, the young Chaney has become a democratic, wonderful, conservative hero. We need conservatives. They need to be honest ones who will be a loyal opposition when they are in the minority. And when in the majority, they will truly govern for the benefit of the people. They will serve the people, which is what the democratic government should be doing. Okay. So, but don't worry
Speaker 4 00:41:44 You my last message for today, channel your outrage protest and go in the street. That's good, but in a way long run, that's not gonna change their behavior. What you have to do is you have to channel it into $10 for every democratic candidate in every close race or every race in the Senate, especially and in the house as well. Don't listen to the media who get paid advertisements by the oligarchs and the Petro pads by saying that, oh, it's inevitable. The first midterm election of a new president is always against his party. That could, that has been the case because of the destruction by Reagan of the fairness doctrine, which allowed propaganda to invest our cable media and allowed Murdoch to invest your brain. So many of you, a hundred million, you know, 60 million of you. Otherwise the craziest of this country are always around 18 to 20%. That's why they couldn't win elections. But when another 25% sort of INEP think of themselves as independent, but get casual. And they don't, they, they get swept up in that craziness. And then another 15, 20% of the majority don't bother to vote because they complacent or they get desperate or they get defeat. Then we can get these terrible oligarchic presidents and, and efficient senators and Congress, people who use the government to oppress us rather than use the government to defend us, which is their job.
Speaker 4 00:43:28 They take it oath of office. And then they ignore that allow to uphold the faith and good credit of the constitution of the United States. That's what they take that I don't take it to Rob the presidency to re, to, to invest in things that I make bills about it. And then I get a raise of investment. Those people are crooks. They're not public servants.
Speaker 5 00:43:50 Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Speaker 4 00:43:52 So channel the outrage into organizing
Speaker 4 00:43:58 You left this, join with you, moderates on the, on the so-called left, which are the right ones now. And don't fight between yourselves for the next six months. We have to defeat that sort of rule of thumb, which is part of our corrupt politics that somehow will automatically lose that all that that's a method of strangling the government. So it can't defend us against corporations and the oligarchs. You know, the president should have a time. Obama only had two years. Then he was paralyzed by the Gingrich and McConnell or McConnell. Clinton was paralyzed by Gingrich. And that's part of the that's part of the destroy. The government that started by Reagan. The government is the problem. It's not that the government can help you solve your problems. It's that the government is the problem. That's a very bad destroying. That's a big line that destroys democracy.
Speaker 4 00:45:00 The definition of fascism by mu is when the government and the big corporations and the oligarchs are all working together to suppress the people whose institution is just their family and their job or jobs in a bad economy. Everybody has to work. And the family is not strong enough to resist corporations and governments. Definitely not if they're unified, but a good government, democratic government defends against people. The Robert Barrons, when they get too strong, that's the whole point of democracy. So channel your outrage into the vote, that's coming up and organizing for the vote and getting on the media and speaking up in coffee shops and telling someone who's blurting and blabbing Q and on that, they're, they're wrong. Bravely telling them, you know, don't get angry with them, tell them in a nice way, but tell them, speak up and vote and then vote with, with your pocket book with $10 here and $3 and $27 there.
Speaker 4 00:46:06 If you're not, even if you're not wealthy, try to give, so channel this outrage. And then we get, we don't have to get 60 percents. We just need a majority in the house and we just need enough senators to overwhelm three or four, two, no, well known ones, cinema and mansion, and maybe a few more. So we need four or five. We need 55 seats. That's enough in the Senate. Then we can cancel the filibuster when we need to. Then with the cancel filibuster, let them shout and scream much as they like you pass a law. That is Roe V. Wade freedom from forced pregnancies, legal abortion, medically legal and criminal punishment for fanatic pro-life fanatics who are gonna shoot doctors, harass people on their way to the clinic. And so on second play because they have this ridiculous majority where even, even Roberts didn't vote for this asinine bill, they just did. And Roberts has no control over the complete fanatics, 13 monkeys instead of nine, make a 13 and, and pass that bill and then put all and then pass the filibuster to put them through and make them all sensible per, and then make a test for those four. They don't have to be Democrats. Some could be Republicans. The test would be a test of rationality.
Speaker 4 00:47:36 So then we, so we fix the court and then if they don't have enough rooms in the courthouse building, we build that extra room, some extra rooms for the other 13. Maybe we make them have term limits, maybe 16 years or eight years or 70 years of age, they have to retire maybe a 75. They have to retire some kind of term limit and you just pass a law like that. So, you know, we just get back to Congress to be a work in Congress and they start passing laws and we start fixing things up. It's very easy. And then, and then we stop subsidizing the oil industry and we put all that subsidy, 20, 30 billion a year. We put it into renewables and nukes, by the way, nuclear reactor generating electricity, not big ugly ones that mess up the climate like three mile island and dangerous and have all this polluted water and radi.
Speaker 4 00:48:41 There's a new kind of thorium nuke. There's some studies and books, even some best environmentalists know about it. I know this is heresy for green peace and people, but it's a necessary bridge to keep all the lights on, to charge up to electric vehicles and electric trucks and electric heaters. We need nukes because of their level of population and we need to, and, and it will revival ship building industries. The good new ones can be built like a, on a ship haul assembly line, much cheaper, and they can be put up and they can be put away out of pollution, air level very easily. It's very doable. Please study up on it. Anyway, I know there's a lot of shocking things starting with <laugh>. The big news flash, nothing is nothing. Trump was never president. We will. The ultimate reality is a clear light of infinite energy of pure transparency, brilliant, loving light, divine, love and compassion.
Speaker 4 00:49:44 God is love. Love is God, just as much, you know, and God is love is mystery and misses God even. Okay. So everything is good. That's that? So no, nothing. God is love. Love is God. Love is Buddha. Buddha is love. Love is Christian Christ has love. God is his love. Love is God is okay. That's the second one. Third one, the president, the so-called ex-president Mr. Trump was never president from his own side. So it's not embarrassing that he should be judged and his lies should be refuted rationally. And rationality becomes an important matter. We have to go back to Madison's of deliberative democracy. We can pass the gun laws that are reasonable. Just make the gun producers liable by lawsuit for somebody shooting everybody they're gonna make, they're gonna stop making machine guns for the general population. They're gonna stop. And there'll be a lot of machine guns.
Speaker 4 00:50:47 That'll be there saved in case we anybody invades, you know, keep it in armory, okay. Somewhere. Cause they'll all give them back, keep their hunting rifles and their, whatever they need for their defense. And, uh, they would, nobody needs an assault rifle. This is just spam. It can be passed in one season of, of a, of a Congress. And, uh, that was a shocking thing. Three irrationality, no one who is irrational cannot pass a basic reasoning exam should be allowed to be a Supreme court judge. We can add force report judges to rebalance the court, uh, very quickly pass the gun law very quickly passed Roe V. Wade as the legislation very quickly. And, um, it's all. Boom, boom, boom. So it's just that quick, this whole thing, you know, Obama's famous state statement of yes, we can, will actually prevail. Finally, not to know.
Speaker 4 00:51:44 We can't that he started saying once he was in the white house. Yes we can. And maybe we'll get a good, you know, a good president. Who'll be a comedian Chris rock. Oh, nobody. The female comedian. One of those great female comedians who need a comedian president. Like they, the lucky Ukrainians had Velo Deir. Celenski not some self important Pomper guy comedian, a, a woman comedian would be the ideal president. Okay. Maybe multiracial woman comedian. All right. So that's it. Goodbye. Thank you. This is my outrage. Channeling vote. Register, help others register, give donations. Even if $3, you can sprinkle it here and there. Remember if hundreds of million sprinkle it, it's hundreds, 300 million double wear out the oligos with all their campaign, contributions. It get TV time later, we will change the TV time and be free, but it's not the case now. So you give some money right now.
Speaker 4 00:52:48 Register vote really turn out. 60, 70% of the people turn out and there'll be, we will keep Congress. However will keep the 80% who wanted assault. Rifles banned the 80% who didn't want, uh, abortion banned the 80% who want sane people in the government. And they want good entertainment on the TV and not propaganda and brainwashing. That's 80%. Don't worry. It's Republicans and Democrats where they're not confused by all this thick mess that has been made by starting with I'm sorry to say, Mr. Reagan. Okay. All right. So thank you. Be of good cheer. We dedicate the merit of this, uh, short conversation to all of you becoming as enlightened as you are capable of being, which is very enlightened. Every single one of you, which is reasonable, it doesn't mean blinding flash. You become a fanatic. It means you become very reasonable, very compassionate, very empathetic, very loving, very happy, very friendly, very cheery as quickly as possible.
Speaker 4 00:54:02 I don't mean to Dominee you. I don't want anybody else doing it. I don't want any religious people doing it. I don't want any political people doing it. I don't want any fanatical people doing it. You are your own boss and master. You have your own reason. You are your own lover. You can love everybody including yourself and you're being ha and you'll be happy when you do it. Okay? So all the best, take it easy. And by one thing, but not only the Ukrainians, but we should all resolve. When we get our own government back under control to liberate the Russian people and the Chinese people and liberating them means also liberating their oligarchs and their dictatorship of the proletariat stupid Marxist idea that the Chinese have where dictatorship is not of the people it's just of the dictator is the problem, you know, and they all need to be released where each one has a little jewel of freedom, reason, compassion, and good cheer, such as what democracy, the idea of democracy can be realized. There's nothing stopping anybody from realizing it except bad habits and a sense of defeatism, which we were gonna get rid of, right. By knowing that reality has the energy we need not to be defeated. Okay. All the best. Bye. Thank you. Thank you, Justin. My engineer.
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