Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:14 Welcome to my mom's Thurman podcast. I'm so grateful and some good friends enabled me to present them to you. If you enjoy them and find them useful, please think of becoming a member of Tibet house us to help preserve Tibetan culture control center in America. Have a great day. This is episode 266 world Mandalah
Speaker 1 00:01:13 Tonight. We're going to talk about Mandelas and I entitled at world. Mandola the reason I call it. That was that I wanted to de Mr. Fly the subject of Mandela at the beginning. Although we're going to look at some of the most magical and wonderful and mysterious Mondelez in the world made in Tibet, referring both to Tibet on to Shambala, to Shangri-La. And in a way, you can't, you never can de totally demystify the subject of Mondelez because they are the most. So they're sort of the Supreme mystery. They deal in the area of the Supreme mystery of religion or science or psychology or history or whatever, but on another level, one can demystify it. And that's what I wanted to do at the beginning, because I feel that's how you can relate that to yourselves. And one can understand what is involved in this issue of Mandela.
Speaker 1 00:02:00 That's why I call it a world Mandela. What I mean by that, or what that refers to in one way is that we can, we can mean many things by it. Probably we could find at least five layers. I'm sure maybe we will by the end of the evening. But the first layer is that each of us lives in a world, which is a mandola, which each of us construct ourselves, we don't do it. Single-handedly in a sense, we also get a great deal of help. We get a great deal of help from our culture, from our language, from our symbolism, from our religions, from our MIS, but finally in assenting to that cultural matrix, to that model of the world, each of us builds our own Mandela and lives in it. For example, right now, where are we? All of us, we're in the open center, on the third floor, in New York city on the planet earth, which we conceive of each of us has a picture of, we're not referring to that picture.
Speaker 1 00:02:51 Now it's stored in storage. It's in a closed file, but it's present there. And we have a picture of a round planet, which is turning and it's in a large dark space, cold kind of space. And it spins around an orbit around the sun, which is hot, but itself is a small star within a large Milky way, galaxy, which out of way out on one arm of this large Milky way galaxy and that itself is within a nebulae configuration. And that itself is we know not where, although numerous, highly paid astronomers are busily assuring us that there's only a limited amount of it. And so which we are very reassured to hear, of course, because although we've had three or four centuries or five centuries to struggle with the idea of not being the center of the universe, it is still not easy for us to feel this sort of reduction to ultimate insignificance that occurs.
Speaker 1 00:03:42 If you really allow your imagination to go towards the infinite, if you either imaginatively or actually out in the summer sky, somewhere under a summer sky, somewhere on a boat or in the desert, if you actually let yourself sort of go towards infinity, visually imaginatively, then there is a kind of strong sense of insignificance. So therefore we're happy to hear from these Toronto's dads, it's an exploding universe and they're sure there's nothing beyond where it, the exploding pieces go. So there was a big bang that came presumably somewhere nearby here on spring street, the big bang occurred. It all unfolded from here from New York. It wouldn't be from New York. Definitely. That's why now we've, we've rediscovered the magnetic center of things. And that's why we hate to go across the George Washington bridge even to go, even though we're up to Amaris and so on. So, so in other words, each of us has such a model and not only that, but we have a model of history and macro model of history with all kinds of myths in which there are various kinds of Neanderthals running around and apes and monkeys, or some of us may not have that.
Speaker 1 00:04:49 We may have God doing it with clay and a rib or, and we have that model includes a temporal dimension as well. And then within the more local area it's, uh, it's invested in our sense of identity. Let us say, even on the national level, it's very much reinforced. For example, there's a white house, Sara's a Washington's monument. There is a Jefferson and the Lincoln memorials. There's that sort of quadrangle there with there's four monuments, the white house at this end, Jefferson at that end, Washington and Lincoln on these two ends like a force with a great meadow in between. And this is the kind of Mundo when you go there, you don't really, you sort of realize we don't really realize it usually, but it is a kind of Mandela part of our Manila who occupies that moves into a space it's in our brain and somewhere that space, that house and just as the planet and the solar system is in our brain.
Speaker 1 00:05:38 The human mind, as you know, one of the uniquenesses of the human mind is that we model our reality. So as to be able to situate ourselves in it, and was that model of reality that we make three dimensional and four dimensional, including a dimension of time that's model that we make we in. So this is why I called it world Manila. In other words, I want it to challenge that context right away from where we are some people and we're sitting somewhere and we are ensconced in a certain identity and a certain reality in a certain place. And now we're going to see some trainings, things that some other people made and some spaces and some things that they imagined. And I want right away to challenge that context. And I wanted to say that we are a persons who construct our reality. We model our reality, and we live in that model.
Speaker 1 00:06:26 If we have a month, for example, many of us went up to the United States in America, we're educated in school. We are pervasively influenced whether to put in irrelevant of our political ideology. We may be complete rightists. We may be very devout spiritually in some sense, blowing into some religion or another that believes in Seoul and so forth heaven. And yet very much part of our Mandela is the idea that our mind is not real. Most of us are very powerfully entrenched in that idea. We've valued. Most of all sense experience we're more or less totally invested in the world revealed to us by five senses, the sixth sense of some murky weird thing that maybe somebody on some cable TV show talked about, but it isn't really real. The idea that mind that mind is more powerful than sense or as powerful as sense that our reality is that the mind is constitutive of our reality.
Speaker 1 00:07:15 That words therefore are extremely crucial that therefore, what we say is a way of producing state of mind in another. That's what we understand, what we learned produces a state of mind that knows all of these ideas are difficult for us. They're a little bit remote for us because we are systematically conditioned from youth to believe that our mind does not exist. That our mind is just the brain. It's like an illusion of subjectivity that we have that we sort of think we're here. Each of us had that actually is just chemicals in the brain that sort of randomly evolved up from the slime, you know, from the sea of methane or whatever. Carl Sagan likes to splash around in. And it just came up from there and it's randomly here. And it isn't really a mind. Therefore, if you actually really change your mind about something that's irrelevant, more or less, it has no power because the mind has no power.
Speaker 1 00:08:01 It has no causal power in reality. That's what our sciences tell us from youth. And we're all conditioned to that. Whether or not we have a formal belief in a soul or reincarnation, we are conditioned to believe that it has no power. And so we say no words, words, what wear words there, nothing I want to experience. We tend to say pay no, no here so many, but overload don't bother with it, but the words are crucial. Why do the governments spend so much on propaganda of various kind or information? They call it in some places and propaganda and other places, because words make up the mind. The mind is structure focuses and roots, ionizes and focus fixes the imagination. And the imagination builds the world in which we live naturally. Therefore, when a spirit person from a spiritual culture comes to the west or comes to see us and they see the way we behave, even we are trying to be spiritual.
Speaker 1 00:08:52 We want to be spiritual. They look at us as materialistic because they recognize that we are acting in terms of this life. We don't really think that we're going to be responsible to something after we die. If we ever even seen that we ever will die. If we are woken up that much to recognize and live in awareness of the fact that we were going actually to die sometime, which is very helpful. One therapeutic. If we do, if we do do that, then we don't think there will be anything more than death. So when we do something, we do it always in the light of how it will affect our life. This life that is called, for example, in Tibetan religions have this life orientation. And it is said that one who has a dislike orientation cannot be religious. But what they mean by that is that that if one is identified with the five senses and the material aggregates of life, and that is what one is, then one cannot really make an investment into the transmutation of some sort of inner spiritual essence or reality because one unconsciously, it doesn't believe there is any such thing.
Speaker 1 00:09:52 How are you going to reach some plane of meditation that the mind will dip the mind can overpower the normal dicta of the senses. That seemed to be just completely it's self-evidently there. If the mind is not itself, an independent power and we're systematically conditioned that it is not. And we're systematically conditioned that we all have automatic Nirvana, and I hate to be disturbing, but I think this is another context I'd like to change. As we start, we're automatically conditioned that we all have automatic negative Nirvana at deaths by negative. I mean, anesthetic, some of us may hope for bliss, but we're all sure we have at the released anesthesia. That means no two things, no burning, no pains, nothing to fear. We can say we are afraid of being extinguished in the knots, but we can happily think of it as sort of Novocaine.
Speaker 1 00:10:41 At least it kind of total ultimate Novacane. We can, we'll be happy about that when we have a burn on the foot or a toothache or headache or some other kind of agony. So this is also a part of our Munda. So therefore we have no choice. We have no choice about imagining a world. We all imagine a world. We build it and we rebuild it every day. All the time, the mind is physically working at it. We confirm each other in our collective imagination. Therefore, in some sense we are, if, unless we wish to simply trust in the powers that be the Mundelein makers, Madison avenue, this church, no, the churches, Madison Avenue's the politicians. These are the Mandela makers. They are making a Mundelein and a mass mind, whichever nation that's in, Hey let's we are very trustful and Reverend about them. Then we should begin to look into the process of how these mandolas are made in which we live, how it is.
Speaker 1 00:11:37 We are spending our life from birth to death, how we're spending our time, our energy, our money, if we actually recognize that. In fact, everything that we ascend to in this Mandela goes to be another little brick in the building of this edifice, in which we're all living. We are built. We're bringing in other people too. Then there's a sense of almost responsibility for one's own imagination so that we all are imagining some kind of a reality. We all are building a Magilla. The world is a Mundelein, which we live Mandela means something which protects the mind Mandalah or literally protects the essence. Monday, Monday sound script means essence lies. I mean, it's like a circle or a sphere of protection. So Mondello means something which protects or holds the mind like a model like a hologram. It is something which holds the mind. So that therefore what we now begin to look into, just the very surface we can possibly look into in this kind of context, but what we begin to look into and this, and the science of mind models that we discover, we will look a little bit at the surfaces and the doorways of within the coming from the nation of the most advanced spiritually scientific civilization that have the planet ever saw, although it got smashed up a lot from the last millennium, namely India, ancient India, and then lost everything in India to some degree, to a great degree and not present other places, but preserved in Tibet to certain kinds of science, of the mental model of modeling of Mundelein modeling, modeling.
Speaker 1 00:13:07 This is what we're going to look at. And we therefore now can look, we look at it in the context that perhaps we find here, perhaps we can find out some reflections of the world that we are building ourselves. No, I don't think I can go and become a great Yogi and a Saudi or whatever, and really do this or learn that. But rather, it's not that as that, maybe I can learn a corner of my reality. Maybe I can make more a month. May I be, I can improve to some degree, use the little bit that cornerstone or that, that beam, or that kind of pillar or that kind of doorway to be. I can live in different kinds of doorways and its volumes and spaces. Maybe I can change the colors of mine, my neon lights, and improve somehow the quality of Maya and others' existence of our collective imagination.
Speaker 1 00:13:52 I can reshape, even though I'm not a poet, perhaps poets understand this innately, whatever their culture, they understand that they formulate the categories of perception of their culture because they discover a new expression. They put words in adjective and something in a different way so that they provide a new category of the imagination, a new image to their whole people. They allow that collective routinized imagination, a new outlet, a new sensitivities. So even though one is not perhaps going to be able to do that, or is that in another sense, everyone is that everyone is doing that all the time. And it is a matter of therefore taking the responsibility of trying to do it better. And that is the context of world Mundelein. Nowadays, of course, we're in this issue, we're in this, this has a particularly powerful relevance. Nowadays. The lake Buckminster fuller was one of the people who I thought articulated it particularly well in that he acted towards, as he grew older, having studied all the materialistic parameters of the planet, very thoroughly as an engineer and having seen easily what could be done for planetary viability by the human beings and believing that it would be done himself being a cheerful sort of fellow, but recognizing the real edge of danger that the planet was on.
Speaker 1 00:15:11 He clearly recognized that it was that it was therefore a matter of people's vision. People understanding that such and such things could be done. And the source of that vision, he also recognized, and he also acknowledged very and pointed out, very clearly had to do with the expectation of the people that people, he had, this wonderful phrase, we have all been brought up. And when he said all he meant in all of the world, religions, actually all of the historic, what are called the historic world religions from that is from around the first millennia, mid first millennium, BC they're in their form that come to us now, basic form that comes to us now, including Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, all of them, no exceptions, all of them that were crystallized in the beginning of the urban revolution in the first millennium, all of them breed into have bred into us, have stamped into our collective planetary imagination, a total inferiority complex, a total expectation that something has gone wrong.
Speaker 1 00:16:08 It total notion that this world is inadequate for us, that we are something wrong with us. No, we have like this, somebody left in an appendix, somebody left an extra rib. Something's wrong with it. And therefore we expect to fail. And therefore we expect that if everyone has enough, I won't have enough. If I shared it, wouldn't be that everyone. I only, if I have too much, can I be secure? And it's better that I have too much and have some guns and let them have nothing because it's all wrong. Kind of anyway, it excuses that it never works anyway. So they might as well die quicker. And this inferiority complex and what he called scarcity psychology has brought us to a place now where we have total abundance totally possible with no problem at all. And yet we may be destroying ourselves totally because we expect to destroy ourselves.
Speaker 1 00:16:56 Totally because our Mundelein includes a final, big bang. And then some elect being saved. Those of us, those in Western religions, many of them, some sort of elect with people with the right Mundelein, the sense of the right label on their belief system. And those nail lists. Of course they don't carry them because they expect to be saved in anesthesia, in the ultimate anesthesia, the ultimate Novocaine, black hole, final destruction of this unfortunate accidents, the accident, the subjective mind. So everyone feels a bit Scot free about it. Actually, everyone runs around and says, don't, let's not blow up the world. So hope, blah, blah, blah. So awful. Gee whiz pays and lets them spend how much percent of all of our own taxes, pretty passively. Let them spend it. They spend it up. They laugh. Nobody complains because we all think we're going to be scot-free.
Speaker 1 00:17:43 We think, well, the worst can happen is it will blow up and we'll be saved by God. If we believe in that. And if we believe in nothing and we're materialists, we'll be saved by nothing. So therefore in a way we are that cynicism 10 just steals us to stay within this Mongol. And therefore the notion of reshaping of the imagination within that context becomes even more crucial. The responsibility to be able to, to create beauty, to perceive, to be sensitive to beauty, becomes almost like a duty to see that perfection and adequacy of the planet of ourselves, of each other, to see that anyone who excuses some atrocity such as, you know, $300 billion budget onto senseless machines and, and very, I won't go down the list, but there's so many anyone who excuses that under the law guys, that it's just a mess anyway, who could possibly do anything about it?
Speaker 1 00:18:35 Anyway, it's hopeless. They don't value life. Like we do like general Westmoreland said at Wesleyan. So what the hell might as well throw napalm all over the jungle. It doesn't matter. They don't care about life. Don't say, don't think it's like it was straining on Connecticut guys. They don't care about life when anybody excuses to such atrocity on the basis of some cynical sense that everything is no good. Anyway, then we can spot that's the person who's ensconced in the negative Mandela in the scarcity, psychology in theory, RT complex, imprisoned Mandela excusing their own bad habits under a vision unconsciously of course, under a, not maliciously unconsciously under a vision of the inadequacy, imperfection and beauty ugliness of the world and of life. So therefore this notion of taking awareness of the imagination, trying to take a little corner of the hologram that is humming in our own brain, right this minute, all of us and begin to see how it might, how it has been shaped and reshaped into other cultures.
Speaker 1 00:19:34 And especially that culture that held the keys of a very sophisticated engine science of that. Reshaping him. Think of how to take a little piece of that. Maybe at least for ourselves within our own context, to perceive, to be sensitive to it, to be aware of, to be, to, to him, to improve the course quality of the eyes and even of the senses. So it's even to be aware of a perceived and even, uh, of course, uh, not, I mean, if the P if it follows point as I made is that seeing of the planet as a negative actually is what leads to the destruction of the planet. Then clearly changing that vision and seeing the planet as medicine and seeing the planet as bliss, seeing the planet as perfection then, or seeing what other being as more beautiful than one thought could be because of one previous fact that one glanced and then imposed a stereotype and recognize to such and such a role in that.
Speaker 1 00:20:33 No, there's a bigger, oh, there's a bomb. Well, there's a person from there. Oh, there's a, there's a son, there's a daughter, there's a father. There's a mother, there's a wife as a grandfather. Instead of seeing it as a unique non it's her, she, it, him, the restructuring of imagination, see imagination philosophically and or psychologically. It doesn't just mean a fantasy you have in your head in order for you to perceive me and recognize me as a person and this and that. You have to take images from your own memory associated with the photons that strike your retina, which are coming from bouncing, all these different lights. And then you organize a picture. And what organizes that picture are the urine is your imagination. And what allows you to organize that to a degree of sophistication is this sophistication of the categories of your imagination.
Speaker 1 00:21:17 So the more sophisticated they are, the more dimensions you can see in, in what you see, the faster you cruder your categories and the faster you sort of label it. And then move on to another thing the less you see and what you see. In fact, this kind of negative imagination, stereotype, routinized imagination that we tend to live in, in prisons. Also our sense experience and diminishes it greatly say, we turn on the slide and shall we do the last one first go backwards once, and then we'll come forwards. This is not a serious matter. This is simply Mandela. It is the planet earth. It is a part of it that I am most fascinated in. It's the great dragon. Can you see the great dragon? The great Dragon's tail is down here in the make Hong and going down towards Malaysia and so forth and send the golden islands as they call dimension time.
Speaker 1 00:22:06 And his body is lying here and his head, his or her head is turned up this way up into the step to see the great dragon from that Dragon's mouth. According to ancient legend, here's a claw holding something in the claw, in that dragons from that Dragon's mouth come, the water, the tail actually goes down into the ocean, according to the ancient myth. And somehow that dragon draws up water and it comes out of his mouth and then flows back down over all of the Asia, all of the major rivers of Asia rides on the back of that dragon. But if you know that, but to make Hong rises here, they've, Brahmaputra the gun guy, the Yamana the Indus, the <inaudible> river, the yellow river, and then the Oxys and so forth. So everyone was going to central Asia. So that dragon of Tibet is like a head it's like a fountain head type of dragon.
Speaker 1 00:22:56 And of course that is where these Mandela would have been perfected that we're going to see. And it is a place which was, as you can see, it's naturally kind of remote from the rest of the world or those sitting up there. And, uh, 35, 25 or so years ago, it was brutally invaded by communists and has been sort of inoperative, although magically in a way it's sort of moved to here and it still exists here. Actually, it's sort of retreated astrologically to this area away from the Chinese communist. And then someday we, it has to be rebuilt back there this month a lot. So I just showed that as the beginning. Also, of course, it's the planet and therefore, but we, this is the Mandela that we are all living in as material as brought up in our certain kind of science. We take it for granted. Everyone takes the out of the actual living for granted. They don't think they're imagining it to see. They can't understand it when some Tibetan Lama says, well, it used to be flat.
Speaker 1 00:23:48 Yeah, you can go around that now because you all believe it's round. But when we all used to think it was flat, it was kind of was had gold underneath it. It was on a golden base and sitting in oceans of milk and had a giant square mountain made of seven different kinds of pressures. Juul is coming out of the top and there was a heavenly city on top of the top. And then there were other, uh, astral, you know, uh, atmospheric heavens above those. But now it's like this because that's how you've all imagined it.
Speaker 1 00:24:21 So that's another Mundo about to enemy. That's a joke. Okay, let's go forward now. No, this is, this is the wheel of time. This is the Kala chakra Buddha. That is to say, and Kala chakra means literally time machine or wheel of time. But the word for machine in Sanskrit is chakra or wheel and oh, no. Yeah, fine. That's good. I should say it's Mr. And Mrs. Kala chakra, because both are Buddha, both Mrs. Kala chakra, who is golden colored, and she has four faces as he does. She has eight arms. He has 24 arms. And, uh, he is Buddha in his aspect of time machine, meaning that this is a symbol of the Buddha tantric symbol, a centric aspect of the Buddha that connects to a certain London, which is the main man that we will taste. We will experience. We will enter. We will hold tonight.
Speaker 1 00:25:19 And in a sense, the purpose of entering this Mandela we will look at will is to become like this. This aspect of Buddha is not simply there for an icon to be worshiped. It is that on one level, but more importantly, much more importantly, this is a, an icon of one's own highest potential. Each one of us, each one of us can become such a being. It is like the ultimate mutation, the ultimate evolution that we could achieve and the different arms and hands and the ornaments and implements held in down different faces and so forth. The male female in union symbolizing, the ecstasy of great bliss, emptiness and divisible, and the connection to the cause was the connection to others through the various tools and implements music and symbols of various kinds. All of them symbolize the ultimate perfection of human beings. For one thing, for example, that we can immediately see and relate to.
Speaker 1 00:26:16 If we note the color chakras colors are red, quite black, bluish black, but black and yellow, which are approximately the sort of main races on the planet. So the kind of chakra is the being that, that sums together all of the main racial, for example, strands on the planet and look what it being emerges from the union of those to non-conflict is the marriage in a sense the melding of these preserving of course, the different powers and uniquenesses within the balance. So it's, it's, it's a very extraordinary symbol. In other words, the symbol of the Buddha, it is said in the, in the Tibetan belief and also previously Indian belief, tantric belief as a target belief that the Buddha is not just a person who, uh, like sort of Socrates who wore an orange Toga and wandered around and became wise and taught some teachings.
Speaker 1 00:27:12 That is one aspect of the Buddhist sort of humanoid or human aspect of the Buddha, which is of course, part of the Buddhas aspect. But the Buddha was rather a kind of, uh, incarnation or emanation, even not quite, even encouraged an emanation of ultimate intelligence and embodiment of ultimate intelligence. And therefore it was operating planetarily on many levels at the time that he was being checked in when he Buddha and fifth century BC India in specific, uh, not to speculate a bit later about all kinds of things around other cultures, but in specific within India, it is said the Buddha appeared on a mountain in south India in this embodiment as the color chakra wheel of time, while he was teaching with his orange Toga as a human up in north Indiana monastery, he appeared with Mrs. Buddha teaching like this before an assembly of gods and humans had in particular, they have a strange myth.
Speaker 1 00:28:02 That's a certain king names to Tundra came from the country of Shambala, which is this somewhere up Siberia or the north pole or Greenland, or nobody really knows somewhere up in ice and snow. There's a force field and a magic country in under, which is invisible to anybody outside in any outside nation, but in which there are 96 golden cities and provinces, and there are many different bodhisattvas and there's a very high tech sort of pure land, but it's on the surface of the planet. It is on the planet, according to that myth. And this is where Tundra came out in his various airships and flew to south India and received this teaching of the color chakra from Buddha in his form of color chakra, and then took it back to Shambala with him to preserve it for a certain future need. Now further. Now these characters who we see around here, these eight grade siddhas and then the central Cita, whose name is called, sit down means an adept, a Yogi great Yogi, a Buddha form, human, another type of human, but a forum.
Speaker 1 00:29:00 This one is called <inaudible> or time machine feet. And he was a great Indian Yogi, according to the myth who went up to Tibet and went up to Shambala, he actually got through all the mountains in the force field in around the ninth or eighth century, uh, age or common era, as we would say. And he there received, again, the color chakra tantra from the Kings of Shambala, where it had been preserved. And he brought it back to India and tends to Tibet, especially to Kashmir. He spent much time. And these were his disciples these age, who were the major practitioners of the collar chakra. And this kind of Yogi or adept is typical of the type of Yogi who works on this kind of Mundell I'm making who lives. They, they, they, they purposely live in a way that transcends worrying about normal worldly environment.
Speaker 1 00:29:50 They love to go to the desk grounds Charnel grounds. They live in poor places. They live with untouchable. They live with tribals out in the forest. They live with tigers and lions. They don't care. They purposely avoid the sort of normal trappings of environment because they are living within this other environment, the environment of the Mundelein. And they are the ones who therefore refined and rewrote back books in Sanskrit and translated back from Shambala language, into Sanskrit and preserved, and then sent transmitted to Tibet. So as to enable us, and I will come back now to the actual symbolism of the call check over. Now, I want to enter into his house. Uh, so as to make this available to us, this is the house of Kala chakra of the wheel of time. And this is of course, what you all expected to see and what you think of probably when you think of a Mandela, but this is a rather special Manila.
Speaker 1 00:30:41 And it's actually only of course, a diagram of the Mandela. It is not in another sense of Mundelein, but it is a very special one because it is very fine. Mineral powders, Juul powders, and semiprecious mineral powders. And if you went, if you blew like this, it would completely blow away. It is not glued. It is not attached in any way at the end of the ceremonies of consecration and initiation that are performed for some weeks around this, it takes two weeks to make it, to pour it by 10 or 15 monks working on the pouring and 20 or 30 chanting in the temple with the poor, uh, uh, doing the visualizations and the chants and the, and the music and so on that goes with it. And then they have several three, four or five days, maybe 10 days of ceremony, and then they sweep it away.
Speaker 1 00:31:25 Although they don't just throw that power away, they carefully take it in an earn, and then they take it and give it to the dragons in the river. They can trust it to the dragons at the bottom of the river and a certain kind of a ceremony. But now the reason for this going to the trouble of this powder mandola is that they believe it is considered within the tantric science. That one can only be initiated into the Mandela. Well, it can only enter the Mandela through the powder Mundelein and cannot enter it through a painted Manila. Here, you can paint it just on a clock, like a painting. You can only enter through the powder Mondale, or you could also enter, of course, an actual mandola built as a building. Of course, as you will now know, the Mundell is actually a building a three-dimensional environment.
Speaker 1 00:32:06 It's actually a universe with a building in the center of it, but to injure into it in the sense this building of course, is a very, the university is rather difficult to construct physically. And so therefore it is best for one who wishes to visited and experienced being in it to learn, to build it in their imagination. If we have to be in to learn these, to tell, so you can fuel your imagination to enter this kind of architectural space, you end to always proceed in either what are called father Tundra, a nondual tantra clockwise leaving the central figure was to your right hand as you go, and you go, counter-clockwise in mother, tongue trusts, what are called, but there's this complicated issue. The difference between these that don't just mean one has goddess and one is a male, not all are there other reasons.
Speaker 1 00:32:54 And, uh, but in a case, usually you do. And it depends on what your purpose there's various ways of entering and leaving the Mundell depends on which phase of what practice or ceremony it is in the basic original initiation first entrance into the month. And by the way, don't worry. It is interesting though, although the color chakra Mandela, this is one of the most elaborate, probably the most elaborate of all of the Mundelein and the entire Canon. It is the Mandela, which is the most open that is to say some of them there's like a kind of sin attached or traditionally, or kind of stigma attached to even seeing it. If one is not initiated in a certain way or prepared with a certain kind of knowledge, but not the color chakra because the color chakra connects to history. As I remember, I told her the myth of Shambala and to a time of planetary fruition in a certain way where all those who see it, the better type of thing, hold out to see it and to be initiated into it.
Speaker 1 00:33:49 Of course ours are different, but any case in the process of initiation, one enters and from the east always initially, and one goes around each building saluting all day, these who are there presenting them with garlands, being represented, backed by garlands, as many as you know, in your memory. As many as you can see, uh, you know, Ganesha and kumara and Chavon and so forth, as you go around Adney Davidic D Vedic, Vedic, Pantheon is all there and presenting them with these garlands while they are singing and dancing and so forth and going around and looking all around very happily and rejoicing at having entered this place and going in this direction and then out to this door, and then outside this door on the terrace, turning again towards the Mandela and in turning towards it, then visualizing offerings and grit, spaceships filled with diamonds and, and food and incense and so forth and cloud big clouds of great giant clouds of dishes, of steaming, uh, broth the nectar and whatever you went to, what have you, and then approaching the central deity from the east, and then being greeted by the central Dasia and so forth, and actually merging with the central deity.
Speaker 1 00:35:02 In fact, and in the process of initiation, of course, a beautiful sequence of approaching that central and from the four faces of that central DataDive, which face the black face faces the east, the red face, the south white face, the north, the yellow back face, the west. And one in each case approaches and enters the mouth of the father goes through the nervous system of the father and enters the womb of the mother. And then is reborn from the womb of the mother with some new blessing, with some new ability, with some new something and restore to another spot and support. It's very, a very, the visualization sequence is extremely extremely, and one that just reborn many times in the process of the initiation ceremony. And ultimately of course now the purpose of the initiation is not just, this should be understood. First of all, the element of secrecy about us and as a terrorist, the point about the element of esoteric, this is basically it was twofold.
Speaker 1 00:35:56 Historically it could, you could say that it was political in one dimension in ancient time, because basically what is it to be consecrated in among the law? What does it mean it is, did you, do you remember some of you will remember others, you may have seen films of queen Elizabeth being coronated in Westminster. Abbey has quite a fuss and a folder, all isn't it going to this and chariot and parading around here and there, and all kinds of marvelous clothes and putting on different marvelous crowns and, and, uh, and w taking sectors and reciting this and that and the other, and the whole anointment initiation means in sanscript and all languages I'll be shaker. It means anointment sort of having some kind of oil poured, which itself is a symbol of having the blessing of a whole nation, like in a king and a secular sentence. When you're initiated we're in America, we sort of down on Kings. We don't quite, therefore, we end up with Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 1 00:36:52 In other words, we elect temporary Kings. It's very fitting that we should have movie star type of thing who has that same kind of charisma focus in the men in the group mind it's very appropriate, but in the ancient time, a king was really a good thing. King is a wonderful thing. King protects the individual from the local Robert Barron king represents some kind of protection to the people. And from most ancient primordial, it, they have always have been tyrants and bad Kings, of course, but there's a fundamental thing about Kings. That's some wonderful thing. People love their king historically. And why is that? Because, and therefore the coronation ceremony, the initiation, the anointment ceremony is a ceremony in which people express that love for their king. And why, and how is it? Why do they love their king too? They don't love just their cane because they think he's cute or she's cute king or queen neither one.
Speaker 1 00:37:39 They love that king or queen because that king or queen in a way that their love for each other. And why is that? Because they agree with each other to put a king or queen over them all to protect each other from each other. So therefore when they consecrate this person to put over them, to protect each other for each other, they're expressing their love for each other. And they therefore put a person who becomes an ideal of benevolent action on the part of all of them. And they give a little bit of their wheel up to that being. And so when the water flows on that Royal head, his or her Royal head, it is the water of the love of the subjects, the oil of the anointment, the fragrance of their love of their highest wish for each other that flows onto the head of that king or queen.
Speaker 1 00:38:23 So that then that person can express this perfect loving gesture and perfect loving action and keep them when they get off that track and start being nasty to each other from doing so. So now when you enter into a Mandela, remember yogis in the earlier picture, they like naked and living out in the forest and they don't have much property. They're sort of like saddles siddhas because they secretly are coronated in a Royal way. I'm not just in a mundane kingly, not in the mundane Messiah. Wait, you know what Messiah means? Anointed one, you know, that crown printed means politically basically before it has a spiritual meaning. So does Christ Chris Doss means anointed one. So you would use it even to refer to it and to the king before it had its special spiritual meaning and Christianity, and every shaker in Sanskrit had to shake out means anointment not empowerment. As we sometimes read in this sort of gas, guzzling metaphor, you know, that you kind of get an Exxon, you know, metaphor that modern people have mistranslated from the Tibetan. It means anointment
Speaker 1 00:39:25 Being consecrated with not put into a position in that sense of sensitivity and responsibility and blessed in a certain way. But of course, remember heavy lies the head that wears the crown, the person who is, is not to the Kings, not to stare, to be loved adored by the people he is adored only because he served, they are need of protection of inspiration. So that's one reason for the esoteric. This is the political element, you know, Kings and high priests like to keep this kind of special aesthetic. It's the Royal estate. Now one thing about it. Yes, yes. The one thing about a Kings, why don't, you know, Kings are kind of dashing, you know, and this is very hard for Americans, you know, in America, our culture is such, and also, unfortunately in communist countries, most of modern cultures are such that jealousy is a way of life for us.
Speaker 1 00:40:09 All. We always want to be as great as everybody else. Oh, I could do that. You know, somebody hits 10 home runs and the world series game. Oh yeah. I could have done that. If I don't have practice, there's no sort of allowance for another to be better than oneself in any way. We're in the ultimate and permanent competition. The horizon of, of, of superiority is infinite because nobody can by ideology be superior to anybody else. And therefore we have to be dragged down to a certain level. And if somebody behaves a little proud, then even if they are a damn good at whatever it is that people are after them. And it's only national Mohammad Ali is, or Michael Jackson's that have a brief flight before everybody says I had and they fall down. But we, so it's hard for us to understand the Royal aesthetic, the Royal aesthetic of ancient time was that you wanted to person to be beautiful.
Speaker 1 00:40:55 You because they were expressing the beauty of your own highest, ideal in a certain way. You see, there, there, you lived in their beauty in a certain kind of way, and you loved it. You really liked them. So therefore there, and there are certain things that you need a certain confidence to do. If you don't have a kind of pride, for example, even this whole teaching about the Mandela and everything, it is this whole notion of seeing the planet as adequate, uh, seem to human being as perfect as a magnificent machine is higher than the gods. Even to do that, you have to be able to deal in the aesthetics of pride a little bit. If you're someone who feels that I must think I stink all the time, or there's something wrong with, I'm going to fall on my face, or there's going to be demon going to bite my rear for somebody else, that's going to trip me up.
Speaker 1 00:41:38 Unless I I'm going around thinking I'm sort of bad. I'm worse there. You know, if you know the sort of certain kind of humility, if you're afraid of pride of confidence, then certain things you just can't do. You cannot walk a tight rope. You cannot skate in the Olympics. You just can't certain things can only be done out of a great kind of confidence. Usually art and creative things are done where a person just feels what they call kind of pride cavity. And in Buddhist psychology, it's like just to have to, my gesture is going to be perfect. It isn't a laborious, awkward thinking out some, oh yes, I'll have a good gesture. This is a bit good stroke. It's a feeling in this truck of the breast that it's perfect. It's no doubt. It's something like that. Similarly, in the case of visualization and the imagination that has said these mandolas to enter into, to even conceive of these worlds, it is required that one begin from a basis of great confidence.
Speaker 1 00:42:26 And in the entry to these teachings people, the normal notion of humility is very, usually religious humility is usually very stringently challenged. And the person who resorts to religious humility is teased by the great masters of this tradition in the texts where they say, gee, it's nice that you're humble. Is it usually, that's a great way to learn. I don't know. I want to learn something and you think, gee, I'm not enlightened. So I better get enlightened. That's nice. I'm not enlightened. So therefore I'm not selfless. So I'm selfish. So gee, I'm so humble, but I'm very selfish. Therefore get out of my seat, get away from my peace of mind. Give me my plate. I want my bone and so on. Quiet because I'm imperfect. Excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm so humble, but get out of here because I'm not perfect. So actually humility is a, can be a cover of indulgence in bad habits.
Speaker 1 00:43:15 In other words is challenged and sometimes confidence in the sense that, well, if being enlightened is to be unselfish, then as long as I'm unselfish, I'm enlightened. Whether or not I have a light bulb in my brain going off saying enlightened, enlightened, enlightened. If I'm actually unselfish, then I'm being enlightened. And I'm Buddha type of thing. Just kind of thing in these texts is challenged at the beginning to, to again, remove the context of complacent on enlightenment and what Nagarjuna calls, the pride, the secret pride of humility. So, so one reason was therefore that the displays with the aesthetics, this whole science of, of the Mandela plays with th with the aesthetics of triumph and pride and glory and majesty and all of these concepts, which are magical engine concepts, what beautiful things human beings can do if they let themselves do it, then usually this was reserved for Kings or Nobles and warriors and certain kind of these ancient societies.
Speaker 1 00:44:08 So some sort of grubby looking hippie like Yogi out of the town, there is secretly entering this diamond palace. They keep it quiet to Kings might not go for it. The idea that, you know, they could buy someone who had the right spiritual upbringing, some rice pounder, or some fish Husker, or some corn picker or some migrant worker or some tribal, if they had the proper spiritual realization officers, if they the right brain, since every brain, this, this tradition has always felt that every human brain was Michelangelo and Picasso and Beethoven potentially there's, the human brain is totally untapped. And so some rice pounder who's out externally pounding rice internally is in this exalted majesty type of thing. There are so many stories like that. That was still, that was one reason. The second reason <inaudible> is that it could be dangerous if one did not first understand anything of the teaching of selflessness.
Speaker 1 00:45:01 Selflessness does not mean that we do not exist, that you're supposed to feel bad. If you feel that you're there, that that you're supposed to, supposed to go somewhere and have some macho Japanese Zen master beat you over the head until you no longer feel that you are there or some Tibetan Lama come and dunk you in something until it's equally. And have you say mumbo jumbo in a language you didn't understand until you no longer feel you out there. This is not what's helpless. This means at all, selflessness means that each being has no sixth rigid, unchanging, absolute identity to realize that means to have a live changing, flexible growing or decaying self, and to really be able to be that self. And it isn't always the same self now as it was yesterday or this morning or an hour ago. And it won't have to be the same self tomorrow.
Speaker 1 00:45:52 And if we just let it go, it could be worse. And if we cultivate it and we refine it and we discipline it and we Polish it, it could be better and better. And there's an incident horizon of how much better it could be until it could be a diamond self. As they call the self of enlightenment, the bullet itself, a vaginal Atma, a diamond self, they call it the diamond, the self of selflessness and not my night out to be a legit Altima. So, but if one, if one doesn't understand that at all, and actually many of us do and many people do, it's not that abstruse even, or, or, or complicated, although the full it can be deepened endlessly. But if we, no one has no understanding of that. If one has what they call the naive really realistic re refied sense of a fixed itself about one's own identity, you know, the type of thing.
Speaker 1 00:46:40 That's almost hard for us to imagine where in some ancient cultures, people would kill each other over a name, you know, like their name for God, Allah versus Galloway and Merck, or their name for something, or even their, their name of their nation, or, you know, they would like die over a name, this kind of level of rigidity of what they call naive ramification of identity. The T if one has still that untouched has never eroded it by some sort of innate insight or some kind of teaching hand, one is introduced to this kind of, uh, aesthetic could be dangerous, uh, unfortunate, dangerous. Why? Because it is such an exquisite world of visualization that one could take that sense of rigid self identity and attach it onto a divine self identity had one could become, you know, rigidly self identifiably, Buddha, or Buddhists, Mr. Or Mrs.
Speaker 1 00:47:32 And then, you know, when you perfect in some rigid self identity, by the way, and everything would have to be perfect. And of course, then this means one would enter into a realm of imagination, sort of fantasy psychosis, a realm, which was sort of, it would have to be built up rigidly around one. And one would grow out of communication of ordinary relativity and others who didn't perceive that you follow me. So th so that's the second reason for the, as a Tara on a psychological plan, the keeping of the answer terror nature of the Manila is that, is that with an old naive self identity sense to take up the identity of being some sort of divine plane could be dangerous to the person. They could become like psychotic. As I tell my students, you go ahead, just go and get any kind of initiation, run down.
Speaker 1 00:48:15 Don't learn anything about anything else. And just go get a lot of initiation and then meditate a lot and be Buddha. And then we'll take you down to the home. And we'll say, Napoleon Josephine Cleopatra, here's the Buddha. And you have a happy time, but those are the only reasons there's no other reason it is not enough, or have some secret cult they're creepy business or anything that's going on for the esoteric nest. I'm saying nothing. It has the same transcendental goal. It is to the articulation of love and creativity has any kind of Christopher enlightenment, but it is that psychological thing for the protection of people who are not prepared. And particularly in specifically in that way, as you can easily understand, actually, it's very easy to understand. And the other one is in the old days, politically, you know, politically as Freud noticed, or others said, you know, the old, the rulers of countries didn't want the people to have too much free imagination.
Speaker 1 00:49:01 They wanted that to libido, channeled into, you know, hoeing the field or marching in the army. And they didn't want people to feel too good that anybody who felt too good was approached by a demon or something burned at the stake, or was a witch or a diabolically something. And Europe, particularly luckily in India where their Kings were richer. And they were, they were too hot to March around too many armies for too long. And they had a lot of mangoes. They kind of let people feel good in ancient times. No, that's why India. There's more richness of this kind because it was more relaxed. Europeans are always poor. You know, they're always trying to conquer Egypt or, or Babylon. No, they are because Europe is basically compared to the rest of your Asia. And China is a little poor than south Asia too. So, so they don't let them feel as good in those places.
Speaker 1 00:49:48 Whereas our, in our mountain, Bella, in the Western materialist, Mumbrella coming from Democritus and the Greeks, maybe we think in our mind that sort of this, if you really took everything apart, as much as you could before it, it just evaporated into energy. He would have little particles, you know, little pieces of molecule was little like our model of the whole solar system. It's like a, it's like a sort of yo-yo system with a lot of balls going around it. And that's what our sense of Adam is. Like, it's just in our mind roughly, right? We sort of feel like we're some kind of illusion that this level of coarseness with, um, small level, a bunch of little yo-yo, it was going around and on the large level, inside a bunch of middle yo-yo going around, no wonder we feel bad and we have to have Alka seltzer all the time. Your Edmonds, when these old dependence came down, there was the one funny thing I'll never forget. When the Tibetans first came out of Tibetans refugees in the early sixties, I was there and I was translating from English interdependent for Yugoslavian geology sort of type astronomy type. And he would try to explain to them how earth was round. And he went around and it's spun around the whole thing. And they looking at him sympathetically.
Speaker 1 00:50:59 Okay. And, you know, he said, well, what about they said, no, they said, no, sorry. You know, it's square. And it's gold gold. And it goes down like this. And it's like that. They would say finally, when he was beginning to sweat and worry, they then really did like, the man has been in a state of semi shock ever since they hadn't told him, they said, well, okay. They said, probably, you know, if you can treat it as round Q, it probably doesn't matter. And you know, maybe there's something accuracy and old books, but you know, let's not waste any more time on a subject, let's get onto something interesting. They were happily on a flat ground, you know,
Speaker 2 00:51:39 The golden ground, it made of gold
Speaker 1 00:51:42 Anyway. Now in ancient India, when the universe, when a universe there's no, the universe, when a universe is in Prolia or what they call the state of dissolution, they have a cycle of AIG. Cal-PASS what they call <inaudible> where there are 28 ions in which, you know, beings living in an embodied form in the, in a certain density of matter. There are still beings alive in the other aliens. They're in certain formless realms, uh, that are not in liberated. They're not enlightened, but their data is in certain form of sorrow. Anyway. Uh, and there are 28 rounds of disclosed destruction. And then there are 28 pounds of emergence and then 20 ands of disillusioned in that time of dissolution. There's of course not nothing. There never can be nothing. No, nothing is nothing. We all know that. And there is what is lying. There is not little particles or a little blips of sort of deep particle energy.
Speaker 1 00:52:28 What is lying around the universe are unarticulated syllables to ground. The reality is these BJs, these syllables. If you looked inside the Adam, you'd come up with a Sanskrit letter. In other words, in their view, the strong force, it's the speeches. This key thing that relates matter in mind in the Indian worldview from ancient time, they never made, went into the Greek atomistic business. Although they had Adams and theories of Adams. In fact, they stated from very early time that a Yogi of a certain stage can see Adams then can like, say, this is this kind of adamant that by, without a microscope with just with the naked mind, not I, but mine. And so they had that, but they didn't think Adams where the Adams was still a coarse level of reality. They felt they were, uh, they were much finer than the ordinary bodies, but they were of course, and the sunless level was sounds letters.
Speaker 1 00:53:15 And these BJs, and they have like three dimensional kind of glowing shapes. And they're like Ruby and their Juul like seeds of energy they are considered. And therefore whole being can be expressing a certain seed. Now what this symbolizes, or actually not only symbolizes what this form is used for is a template for the yogis individual self cultivation of an opening of their nervous system for the yogis or yoga needs unfoldment of a higher order of sensitivity within their nervous system. So therefore, when you enter into that Mengele, you're a consecrated and you're anointed and so forth. And then you take up a reason you use the proud more arms and more faces, cause it goes, you want to feel more better. You want to, you want to embrace more beings. You want to reach out, you want to offer one, a magic Sceptre he wanted to offer another, a shield of protection.
Speaker 1 00:54:04 You want to offer another magic, try to do you want to protect another from their enemies, with a magic X, he wants to hold an arrow and a bow and a drum and play music and show a mirror, a magic mirror of fortune and et cetera. All of the things that it held, each one had a flower, a beautiful, a hundred pedal flower that flower blooms every million years in heaven, that's right. Flower, he holds and so forth. So this is the reason for these, this, this, these day, GS, this, these visions of divinity and those cultures that to emerge that result in those icons and on the popular level, sometimes in simple temples there, Sarah, it's fairly crude looking like a lot of arms kind of sticking out here and there they look kind of funny, but the basis of them is the experimentation cover minutes, centuries by great saints of different holographs of this, of the brain and the sensitivity of developing higher feeling, greater feeling to develop greater bliss, to have orgasm in ha in hundred fingertips, not just in genitals in hundred areas all over the skin with larger different thing, with all different beings, interconnected generating all the chakras, just kind of ecstatic feeling.
Speaker 1 00:55:14 This is the purpose of it. In other ways, I think you can understand it. So this wheel of time, father, mother Buddha, as it's called, is there for a symbol of one's own complete embrace of life in a boundless ecstatic way at the same time, some of the, the tools in the hands and some of is the Royal crowns. You can see some of the tools in the hands have to do with work in the world, doing something practical, helping living beings, being enlightened as need to be unaware of the sufferings and plight of those who have convinced themselves that they're not enlightened and hence are making themselves and others unhappy. What is interesting is that this vision non-dualism the non dual vision achieved by the great today and so forth had manifested in the Mandela science of the time engine India was not the old sort of monism of the pre urban peoples.
Speaker 1 00:56:06 You know, when now in our time of industrial civilization, but it sort of freaked out and they want to be here now and find a blade of grass quickly run up to central park while there's still is one just kind of thing. It's kind of a tendency to romanticize. You're like Russo of the noble Savage, the whole thing. But, but then the, and then, and that creates, of course, this hopeless dichotomy. You're all hard ball. Like steel factory owners has forgot. We never got back there, just burn it up. And we wouldn't, you would, you know, we wouldn't want to change the plumbing, give up plumbing just to be grumbling in the TP, know that who wants to do that? So you get this total dichotomy. So there were so the seeing of the beauty of nature. So the discovery of this kind of thing is not simply a return to nature and a certain kind of a way not as it's called not, it's not the old dualism of historic religions with their paranoia and their curiosity complex of Mr.
Speaker 1 00:56:52 Fuller, that he properly talks about it is the old monism. And yet the new, the dualism in between as well, forged together into a certain kind of non-dualism that is a sort of new kind of nature. It discovery that is not against nature anymore, but it's also not just an accepting of some sort of romanticized version of subhuman nature, but it's some kind of transformed ecstatic, exquisite nature. That is something new, even beyond both the dualism and the old monism. So it isn't just, you know, good, never going to kind of treat again, type of thing, tools and technology and craft. And that's all part of nature. It's part of human creativity. Humans are those beings who precisely can, are totally experimental. They can do anything. They, in spite of what certain sociobiologists paid by the defense department say human beings are not instinctively driven at all. They're the least instinctively driven up themes that we know about. They can totally change their instincts easily. The human beings are totally, that's why human beings instinct is replaced by culture by cultivated imagination. Therefore there's no return to some sort of non-existent paleolithic sort of super back. He wouldn't chop a tree. There's only forward to some kind of new kind of different new age. And so this whole experiment was not a total waste, all this dualism. In other words, from that point of view,
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