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Speaker 0 00:00:14 Welcome to my Bob Thurman podcast. I'm so grateful and some good friends enabled me to present them to you. If you enjoy them and find them useful, please think of becoming a member of Tibet house us to help preserve Tibetan culture. If that house is the Dalai Lama's control and center in America, all best wishes. Have a great day. This is episode 257 skillful means for America.
Speaker 1 00:01:14 Okay. Greetings everyone. How are you all? It's been quite awhile since I've done a solo podcast, but I've been wanting to do one very strongly since I read an article, a couple of, um, New York review of books ago, uh, from the great Finian Oh two, which is entitled to hell with unity. I really like, and, um, and I really love that writer Finian or two. I don't personally know him. I put in this article to hell with unity team. He mentions about how certain people like it, uh, uh, president Biden himself and maybe Schumer and, um, Chuck Schumer and maybe, um, uh, definitely we know Joe Manchin from West Virginia, they have this kind of yearning for the good old days when there was commity and bipartisanship and friendliness in the Senate as if there was such a good old day and therefore a great reluctance.
Speaker 1 00:02:31 Oh no, the filibuster is so cool. And it gives you a chance for the minority to speak up. And so, um, it, it, it ensures against the majority of bulldozing the minority and so on. It makes it forces us to go to consensus. However, uh, I am just that. I just, I was so upset about that for eight years in the Obama administration for Joe Biden was sitting deeply engaged in it. As the vice president Biden was deeply engaged as the vice president and Mitch McConnell and his colleagues publicly stated from the beginning of the administration, that their only job in their way of doing their performing their duties was to prevent Obama from being reelected. That was all, there was no other job. In other words, they just completely forget about their vow of office to uphold the faith and good, good credit of the, of the constitution of the United States.
Speaker 1 00:03:41 And they know they did things like they inherited this from Gingrich writing and they inherited this from the great problem that has happened to our politics since about, for about 40 years. You know, since the time of Goldwater, maybe 50 years, which is the Republican idea that they do not need to be a loyal opposition. That is for a democracy to function. If there are multi parties or two parties, or multi-party maybe multi parties more effective in that sense, but not necessarily. And those who lose the majority in the sequence of elections during the period, when they're out of power, they have to con they have to turn to the job of governing in between elections. And of course they maintain their point of view. And then when the next election comes up, they try to win again. But the point is during the administration of the majority, which they, to whom they lost, they have to be, what's called a loyal opposition.
Speaker 1 00:04:52 That is to say, they have to remember that their job is to serve the people who they're governing by making the government work for the people. Now, Reagan crystallized what I think Goldwater and other Republicans had started, uh, B not being a loyal opposition by saying that by spite, by promoting the slogan, that the government could not solve any problem, that the government was the problem. So that is what you call refusing to serve the people. And then he did that, of course, he here by that he won a majority. And then as the majority tried to diminish the government. So that's a non loyal opposition when the Democrats were in power becoming the majority, not the opposition any longer, and then refusing to be a lawyer to be a loyal majority. And then in the sense of using their majority empowers to destroy the government.
Speaker 1 00:06:00 Now, for example, the case of the country like Algeria, Morocco, or Turkey for years America, which promoted democracy, which promotes democracy or intends to would encourage military who de tabs by countries where a religious majority Muslim would win democratically the government, having been a non Royal minority in the sense of proclaiming the government as being anti Islam and Thai anti-God, you know, satanic in his sentence, put it that way, you know, in, in drastic theological terms. And, and it's because obviously, although you won the majority governmental status denouncing the government, once you had the majority, you're going to destroy the government and then military who would intervene to restore secular democracy, which we considered the best government. And we supported such a military coups in Turkey and Algeria and other places, France plants also in Algeria, I think. And, um, and this is, uh, extremely unacceptable.
Speaker 1 00:07:14 It's, what's been happening in America. It's hard for us to see that, you know, the then evangelical joining with the Republicans doing this, and actually more recently, um, there was a wonderful lady who I also think is just amazing called Heather Scott Richardson, who I don't need to do a podcast with her, although I'd be happy to because she has the most wonderful newsletter and I can recommend it to everyone who listens to this podcast, which is just under her own name, Heather Scott, and it's free in which she analyzes current events, very good research by also connecting them to the things that happened in the 19th century, things that have been going on in America from the founding of the constitution. And she is a professional historian with books published by Harvard. I think she teaches in the Midwest. She's amazing. And I opened my eyes because I was obviously given too much of a wasp history version and ignoring too much what has been going on, especially since the civil war, but from the beginning where, you know, the original union of the States finding the founding, the original constitution was between slave States and non slave States.
Speaker 1 00:08:35 And therefore things were put in the constitution that guaranteed the slave States could keep their slavery because already by that time, they knew with rights of man and French philosophy. And even John Locke that the property meaning slaves was threatened by a kind of all men are created
Speaker 2 00:08:56 Equal Thomas Jefferson sacred code of the United States of America and the non slave States like Adams in the Massachusetts and so forth had to compromise with people like Jefferson, even though Jefferson himself was not that much in favor of slavery. He, he promoted, he put bills legislation in to the Virginia legislature several times when he was a young person, uh, abolishing slavery in Virginia, but the horse didn't pass. And then he did own, he owned slaves because he was a Lander over there. And then he didn't try that in the national office, because by that time, the whole constitution involved compromises between slave States and non slave States. So, you know, this then connects very much to the distortion of the Supreme court of our Supreme court, which, which has been operating at least since Scalia. And my history may not be good enough to know if there were people before him, but since Antonin Scalia, uh, there has been a very strong trend toward what they call originalism, sort of the original intent of the constitutional founders.
Speaker 2 00:10:14 And this has really resulted in a lot of bad decisions and could overturn a great many things. And actually it's a kind of code word among Republican appointed state Supreme court justices for going back and overturning amendments actually, or ignoring amendments like the 13th amendment passed by Lincoln, you know, and, and the Congress during Lincoln's period around the civil war time that, um, emancipated the slaves and said there should be no slavery except for the deadly exception of except for punishment, bike and crimes. In other words, a prisoner convicted of a crime can be treated as a slave demanded to work without pay, and actually the Southern States and the whole mass incarceration is called the new Jim Crow by the wonderful, um, wonderful, um, Michelle, um, Oh God, my 80 year old named Sam. Sorry, it'll come to me. The name anyway. Wonderful Michelle.
Speaker 2 00:11:18 Um, uh, they are enslaving over a million black men are enslaved again, but by having been convicted of a crime men, some of them trumped up some of them drug war crimes, most of them that, you know, therefore not really that violent crimes, you know, mostly. And, um, so, so when, so she opens your eyes to the way that the southerners, you know, after the, the, the administration of Ulysses grant from the time of the victory of the union, over the Confederacy, the romanticization and the glorification of the Confederate soldiers, and then the whole resistance to allowing the black vote and then the need for the union army to remain monitoring the voting process in the South. And then the wonderful reconstruction period where the, there were many black legislators members of the legislatures and things that they were beginning to get, give justice. They were, they were writing the checks that Martin Luther King said that was a long overdue check that the federal government had had, that they couldn't cash that had not been honored written to the, to the black population of the United States.
Speaker 2 00:12:38 And of course, then Johnson did the civil rights, but then there's still this wish to turn it all back. And then, and the Heather, uh, Scott Richardson wrote this wonderful, um, uh, newsletter just the other day where she, she showed the picture of governor Kemp in Georgia who won his way to governorship by remaining the secretary of state, while running for the office. In other words, counting the vote cast for him versus Stacey Abrams and somehow managing to contrive to win, which I'm sure it was a distortion of the voting process. There's no doubt. And then however, having to preside because of an honest secretary of state Ross was burger in Georgia over not only Biden's victory in the presidential election, but also the virtue of Reverend Warnock and the doctor Oh South and Reverend also the two democratic senators in Georgia because of getting out the black vote, because they are a numerous population where their vote is not suppressed.
Speaker 2 00:13:44 Anyway, picture of camp now assigning this tremendous voter suppression laws from the old Republican majority of white, uh, legislature of, um, to origin intending to just, you know, to put back the white senators and intending to suppress the black vote again and standing and behind him was the painting, the large painting of a plantation of slave owners in Georgia in the past, and then four white men on either side, like a sinister, her posy of eight, just laters. And of course, pretending and lying that this is expanding the vote and it's securing the vote and all sorts of things. Whereas obviously, an actually she actually read it. It is blatant suppression of the black vote by making ID laws and make it and making it criminal to give someone water who's waiting in the line to vote. And when they arrange the voting machinery in such a way as making it hard to vote, so people have to stand there for hours and hours and hours. And then you can arrest someone who gives them a drink of
Speaker 1 00:14:52 Water or a cup of coffee. I mean, really it's pure, it's pure, you know, Johnny red, civil war, racist behavior. There's no doubt about it. So that brings me to the hell with you and a tea thing by, by failures or two, that is the main theme, but, but I'm glad to promote, uh, Michelle, not Michelle Obama. Who's also wonderful Michelle, but Michelle who wrote the new Jim Crow book called the new Jim Crow. That's the title that is the right title and about a mass incarceration of a black male, uh, uh, people who are not haven't done anything that they should be their lives should be ruined for, but then they're enslaved and they work for nothing in prison, which is a new kind of enslavement and it's all over the country, but especially in the South. So, you know, like Lindsey personal, like Lindsey Graham would not win an election there if they were not suppressing the black vote in South Carolina, which they do.
Speaker 1 00:15:55 So, I mean, it's still important vote, but it's suppressed, or it would be a dominant vote. He would not be reelected. So I'm a financial tool in is hell with unity. He quotes the speech in Lincoln by Lincoln is inaugural speech that Joe Biden likes to quote about how, you know, the Southern States, even though they didn't do the expansion of slavery into the Western States, which was the source of the succession. Right. Okay. You didn't allow the slavery to expand into Illinois and into the West and the expansion to the West. And, uh, and he said, I don't like to alienate your affections. You know, we, we disagree about this and the federal government is not going to tolerate this expansion of slavery because it, it rejects the freedom of the white people because the white farmers, Lincoln's father was a white farmer and non slave holding right farmer.
Speaker 1 00:16:57 But the white farmer cannot compete with the slave holding farmer, the plantation owning farmer who has 1500 slaves, who has such a huge labor free labor basically, or relatively free, you know, just as to feed it by the people, you know, they are just like machines, you know, like flowers or something and pick her machines. And this is really unfair competition. And it ruins their for the individual freelancer, which is the backbone of democracy in, in thinking's mind. And it was back Lincoln's. Father's great difficulty had driven out of the state of Kentucky by slave holding competitors. And, um, so when he was saying that, but in the same, and then they quote that about their longing for bipartisanship and Obama loan provide partnership. Doesn't having been a community organizer before the Senate and the presidency. And so the thing is that, um, uh, they aren't auto loyal opposition.
Speaker 1 00:17:57 They said openly, they would do nothing but block Obama's actions and his administration as much as they could for eight years, then this then created such a state of disaffection and such a feeling in the population that the government was not doing anything for them, because actually for 40 years, they had been under dominant administrations saying, government doesn't do anything for you. And government is your problem. Meanwhile, government is not their problem. Capitalist factory owners are there. Bankers are their problem who are exporting all labor need to flame countries like communist China. That's really what happened since Reagan and before Reagan, but especially since Reagan and then Clinton couldn't reverse it. So he triangulated, it acted like a, like a milder form of the government not serving ending, you know, canceling for the bankers. He canceled the class Sego act, which prevented the invest, you know, deposit bankers from being doing investment banking deals and speculating with your deposit of money and then distorted the over financialization of the economy. And then he, you know, ending welfare as we know it, and all these things placating the slave people. And in her recent thing, her Heather Richardson pointed out that the, the, the rallying cry in the South after the civil war to undo reconstruction, which they eventually did by the 1870s. And they put, they got the KU Klux Klan going, et cetera. And I learned something
Speaker 2 00:19:37 I've never known that the KU Klux Klan wear those white sheets and wood, because there's supposed to be representing the ghosts of the Confederate soldiers. It's a kind of glamorization of the Confederacy rather than treating it as treason and sedition, which is what it was in a Robert E. Lee was a trickier. He had an oath to the union from West point education from going to West point, and he then broke that oath. And he was a trader there for treason. He committing treat that's. The Confederacy was an act of treason and the Confederate soldiers were traders to our United States of America. They're Benedict Arnold's rather than, uh, some kind of heroes of the lost cause as it's been falsely glamorized. And she showed that the way they rallied was that they said, well, the, the union by letting the blacks vote are shifting wealth from we great white people to the blacks, you have, the blacks were producing the welfare slaves and the whites were just enjoying it.
Speaker 2 00:20:41 So they would creating, they were distorting their memory of that by acting like they working hard, they've been working hard by owning the slaves and the slaves were lazy, nothing when they were asking to be paid or asking for share, or the 40 acres and a mule, that was the promise, you know, uh, that, and they were trying, and after reconstruction, they canceled it and they took back whatever it was and they reinsulate the people and terrorize them and lynched them and intimidated them. And, and basically still want to basically enslave them by mass incarcerating them even today in the 20th century, as unbelievable as it is. So, so this is the kind of thing we're dealing with. And, uh, you know, we're depriving ourselves of the full service and the full participation and the full citizenship and mutual joy of being in a bolted, pluralistic, multicolored society, where we have Indian people, Brown people, we have Chinese, Asian, yellow people.
Speaker 2 00:21:49 We have red people, original people. We genocide the steal, the land, but now we, we can give back to them. We've made treaties and gave them their regions, which we then cheated them out of. We should honor them and respect them and restore them to full, full relationship with us if they want to, but leaving them free and their own areas that they have by treaty, if they want to stay like that and having Federation with them, no, this is, this is the way like European union to be an American union w and how the oldest, the contribution of all kinds of citizens, rather than this ridiculous thing, to try to somehow put it back to where a few wealthy people and slave everybody else. And believe me nowadays, it's reached a point where those food workers in Lordstown, Ohio, who are, uh, work, worked in union jobs and had decent lives, although ill informed and badly fed and not protected actually by the government, uh, regulating the work conditions,
Speaker 1 00:22:58 The life conditions actually. So a lot of their preps actual pay by capitalist owners, uh, you know, I mean the wrong kind of capitalist owners, ones who were not doing a kind of interactive capitalism, but who were doing just some basic fare, like piratical capitalism, which is, uh, which is just sitting out sustainable, actually exporting the jobs to slave countries under communist parties under dictatorships is what they've been doing for 30, 40 years. And getting tax breaks from this kind of slave mentality, masters mentality in the Congress that's, what's been going on, which was got them so freaked out that they believe the lies. They believe the truth. Speaking of Bernie Trump, uh, Bernie Sanders, and he had great fortune with them, but he, um, because of his insistence on mentioning socialism, he probably couldn't have won an election in America where they were going on about socialism is communism and whatever, but socialism in Scandinavia and Denmark and Sweden is not that bad.
Speaker 1 00:24:04 It doesn't mean communism it's means it means America since FDR has with, you know, it means social security. It means a decent health system. It means decent pension. Uh, that's what socialism means. It doesn't mean communist. Communism is stupid because it means dictatorship. That's what's wrong with it, you know, but then it's become a slogan based on this ancient things, starting in the South, during the reconstruction period where the slave owners started diluting themselves in their misery of having lost their slaves and their source of wealth, which they lazy was sitting, drinking Tim mint, Julep served by a slave servant, but created by both by wealth, created by slaves in the field and, and thinking that was hard work. And then once they wanted to be having equal life or move in the direction of an equal amount harvest, it would take generations of education, whatever to do that.
Speaker 1 00:25:01 Then they were considering them lazy and taking away their fruits of their hard work, which actually was originally the slaves hardware. So it was completely irrational and stupid, but nowadays the people really suffering other poor whites. And they're confused by thinking that the blacks are the ones who are, but this old civil war, post reconstruction rhetoric, they're confused by that into thinking that their enemies are the, are the people of color immigrants and, and people of color, citizens of color, rather than their enemies, their owners who won't to pay them a decent wage and who want them to be worked for 10, 11 hours shifts and who are, who mistreat them actually, and who, who crushed the agencies and the government that would protect them in regard to safe working conditions and reasonable work and vacation pay and pensions and healthcare, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 00:26:00 Okay. So those that's that's who their enemies are not, uh, not their fellow workers of color by any means. So, uh, just like to have Chinese workers who are not their enemy, it's actually, it's the dictatorship that makes the Chinese workers work too cheap by killing those who want to make labor unions. And in China, they get arrested for life. If they agitate together labor union in China, the openly, because it's an open dictatorship, we are not quite, we would have been, Trump wanted to install it open dictators you, because you fall is disconnected people that he would help them I'll bring jobs back. So he didn't do any such thing. He totally pass
Speaker 2 00:26:44 Tax cuts for the owners for himself. He never paid his own workers before he was running in politics. They should have noticed that, but they were misinformed by prevaricating media. Okay. So now back to the hell with you and the team, bye, I didn't did win the election somehow squeak through despite a voter suppression and all kinds of pasture, Mandarin, all sorts of things. So that Monday more popular votes were voted for democratic Congress, persons and senators, but, uh, the, because of the gerrymandering with less votes, the seal won substantial seats. So instead of a narrow margin of victory, and basically two years within which to pass things, especially blocking voter suppression, and also putting people back to work with an infrastructure job and getting past the virus pandemic that we're stuck in those three main objectives, and then maybe installing better health in that regard, that relates to the virus thing.
Speaker 2 00:27:51 So those three things, there's only two years to do that. Like Obama had two years, but all he did was a health thing because he was trying to be bi-partisan. So it was too slow. And also we have the climate as another big enemy of every party is the distorted climate. And then the big wealthy pirate capitalists destructive capitalists are wanting to do more fossil fuel deals and have big subsidies and do thing. And those cannot be stopped at the subsidy switch to proper climate challenge response without passing things in these two years. Now, the only way to pass them in two years is without the filibuster and did their Lincoln speech that quotes about unity, Finian O'Toole brilliantly quoted. And he said in there, Lincoln says very clearly the other hand, we cannot, a democracy cannot function without minority long-term suppression of the majority to whatever strategies, voters.
Speaker 2 00:28:57 He was mainly thinking. And in the case of the white slave owning Southern States, he was thinking they're a minority, but they get these senators who come into the Congress and then they preserve this slave system and they expand the slave system. That's where he was facing in 1860 in, uh, in the, in our United States. And so he said, this long-term, if they keep up their minority blocking of democracy, then what will result is two things. The NRG people going crazy, being misinformed, mob mobs, rule, and islands and despotism and responsive ad will come from the top. It will not end up with no government. Actually it will end up
Speaker 1 00:29:42 With a despotic government by forcing themselves on other people. And so that's what I that's what happens when you have longterm minority control. Now, ironically, the Mitch McConnell has threatened Biden yeah. And mansion and Sinema from Arizona and every other body, everybody else in the Senate, Schumer Warren Z do anything to the filibuster. And the Philadelphia has deteriorated to the degree where they don't actually have to get up and talk for 24 hours or 48 hours or 72 hours until they pass out. And that's the end of their filibuster. No, they just say, I would filibuster, if you try to pass this legislation and then you can pass it. And that's a complete corruption where they can book it. Right. But let's 10 of them defect and vote with the majority 51 to 50 and, and 10 of them, 10 of them do that. You can then pass something, but I was there.
Speaker 1 00:30:42 They're not doing that. And they didn't do it for eight years. Dave, you know, 70% of them still promote the lie until they get in court. They promote the lie that, that Trump won the election and they should be the majority. And it's all some cheating. And therefore they're passing voter restricting laws in 23 States, 250 sets. Laws are being proposed in state legislatures. And we're looking at, it's kind of cool data by a minority. So by so, so McConnell's threat that if they change the filibuster, he will blow it. Old legislation is coming you fake because they are blocking all legislation already. And so they have to be forced to get legislation through. At least that prevents the minority from blocking the majority prevents the voter suppression nationwide. Unfortunately, the right court stop, the voter voting rights act. Rather the voting rights act two or three years ago.
Speaker 1 00:31:48 And, and the citizens United decision allowed any amount of money by the piratical capitalists to block the regular entrepreneurial capitalist, social capitalists, which are the ones we want, like the Scandinavian capitalists. That's the kind we want here we need here. That's what the workers here need. You know, for example, you can't move your factory to overseas or to a cheaper labor place without paying a tax penalty. When you bring the goods back to sell here. So that then the social, the social system that supports the unemployed workers can use. The difference is you moved to Mexico and instead of paying $30 an hour for a job, you paid $15 an hour or $12 an hour. You can't do that unless you pay a tax that makes up 28, the $18 that you took away from the job. And we give that back to the worker who did the 30 hour job, because we were having to support him because you took his job away. That's perfectly, that is what the Congress should pass such laws that will bring the jobs back to America, talking to owners, pretending to do it will not bring the jobs back. Only such legislation will bring the jobs back. Therefore that happens,
Speaker 2 00:33:10 That kind of legislation has to be passed. And obviously the owners with the big money are paying the ride ringers, not to allow you to pass that legislation. So they won't have to pay that tax. They'll get a subsidy for taking the job away from you. And then on top of that, the government will try to have to find the money to then they won't even declare the money they earn overseas. They'll put it in some other thing they're destroying, you know, in the States, in fact, because excessive capitalism, piratical, what Buckminster Ferlin called pilot capitalism, what it does, great pirate capitalism is it destroys democracy to communism destroys democracy because it leads to dictatorship pirate. Capitalism destroyed democracy because it leads to despotism by wealth, by money. So social capitalism is the solution. So social capital is a means. We don't have to, we won't call it socialism in America.
Speaker 2 00:34:10 Those are the dude's Sweden and they get along fine, but we won't do that because then that, that people will be allergic to think that means communism, which I call ism is meant. Dictatorship of the proletariat, Russia was not commented said was the dictatorship. China is not calming. It's a dictatorship. They call themselves communist party, but they function like a dictatorship. That's the problem with it. And also if the, if the people like Trump were to pretend to be president pretend to be elected and McConnell would pretend to be a Senator and McCarthy would pretend to be a Congress person, they would not be serving the people. They would only be serving the capitalist, the oligarchs. So you have oligarchic despotism. So those two extremes suck and the, and the middle way is the good side. The creative side of capitalism, freedom side, the individual initiative, encouraging and creativity side of capitalism, habeas Corpus, no imprisonment, no representation without taxation, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 00:35:14 And you have the good side of communalism socialism, where you take care of those who are helpless because you can afford to, because when everyone is being creative, wealth flows out of the out of life, there is enough in the world. The, the earth is rich enough for everyone, if it is semi shared. And the only guarantee of the sharing is democracy and democracy only works in the middle range between oligarchy and dictatorship. Okay. And he's very clear about that. So please tour by Chuck Schumer and Joe mentioned longing for you. They will return to comedy and bipartisanship. When you have stopped their disloyal opposition behavior that you have to do strongly forcefully. You have to say, not to hell with your energy, meaning the pretense of unity and insist on unity forcefully. And then you will get unity because they will not, they will fail to block those steps you must take for unity.
Speaker 2 00:36:33 And those steps are very clear to abide is coming up with a big rescue plan. He did 1.9 billion in, uh, in, uh, you know, what was it called? Um, budget reconciliation process that you can read, you can filibuster, but they blocked the men, the minimum wage. Although I don't understand that. I think that's false because minimum wage is a financial thing. It's supposed to be dealing with financial things. They have the right to block it, as far as I'm concerned, that that that person who gave an opinion was obviously some sort of right-wing type of person and was influenced to block it. But, uh, that, so that wasn't too bad, but that was a mistake and they shouldn't have allowed that they could have interpreted otherwise Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden could have done that, but they did. Nevermind. They have the next chance they're going to pass it three plus trillion. And they're encouraged by a wonderful capitalist woman, Janet Yellen, who was head of the fed, which is the ultimate capitalist institution, the federal bank. They did that. And excuse me. Yes, I'm doing a recording. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:37:51 And, um, so the, um, uh, okay. So to hell with the filibuster is what it is in order to bring about unity, because McConnell is not stupid. He's smart. Some of the people are really stupid relating to him like Cruz and Holy and those people. And they have to be brought into an investigation. And under oath, they have to say, is it true that there was voter fraud all over the United States? And if they, and if they say, yes, it is true. And I still say that when I want to. And well, what is the evidence? And if it's proven that they are lying under oath, then there's some sort of penalty that they
Speaker 1 00:38:36 Won't be able to continue lying. And I was very delighted that the Sidney Powell, who was one of Trump's crazier lawyers like Giuliani, when she was sued for her lies, that there was voting fraud. She said, her defenses, that, of course I was just talking political talk and nobody in their right mind would believe what I said since there were all these 60 laws, court cases and all proof of voting fraud with fell flat, there is no proof of it. So her defense was that she was lying. So therefore she shouldn't be sued. I think it's, it's really choice. That's major. Julianne is big partner there and he was sweating in line himself. Was that what you should not believe my life? So I'm not liable to have damaged you financially. So you can't Sue me for whatever you're serving before. I think that as that screen, and I like to see those congresspersons and senators who have continued to repeat this lie, the Q and all, and all this kind of weird crap that they have to say that under oath, they have to repeat it under oath on.
Speaker 1 00:39:40 Then they will be publicly film saying that, no, I can't say this under oath, but I'm saying to the people to deceive them, I can't do that because I will be punished for lying under oath. That's what they have to do with those guys. And then they'll either they'll be punished by being ejected for breaking their oath of office, which they have done. Actually, they have done trees in his behavior seditious behavior, or they will make Hanian if it bang on how avidly they did it, uh, but they will be chastened from behaving in such lying manner. And the others will be chasing from, from the whole campaign, which is a campaign for the behest of the wealthy, the excessively wealthy, the Koch brothers, the, the, the, the other people, the, you know, there's other ones, you know, all part of the dark money conspiracy, uh, and you know, and that doesn't mean all the billionaires.
Speaker 1 00:40:46 There were some very good billionaires who are not dark money, billionaires, who I am urging to become bright money billionaires, please, before you know it. And I'm, I'm not in favorable. These let's make a big, horrible tax bill and take all their money away. That's not the idea. The idea is they should pay good tax, of course, but not all their money by any means. And then they should enjoy, they do. They bill Gates. He has a huge foundation. He gives money. They should have the joy of giving and generosity and sending an example, the most creative capitalistic, highly successful people end up becoming successful givers, philanthropists, generous people. And they do great things for people that they are kind of like a semi-government themselves, but they're a little bit less bureaucratic, maybe because they can make it
Speaker 2 00:41:39 Decisions more quickly. And, uh, and they should be enlisted in that way. And their generosity should be enlisted. Now they're not all dark money, excessive, greedy, crazy ones. Like the Coke last sanding Coke brother, Charles Koch is still is. And he should be challenged actually by the bright money ones, which he has not yet been properly, but he will be so not just the government, but the point is the campaign to destroy the government. So the government can
Speaker 1 00:42:13 Make them give the worker good working conditions, pay their workers, a decent wage, you know, have their own earning, maybe a thousand times or 500 times greater than the regular worker. Not hundred thousand times greater has. It has become, you know, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 00:42:29 That's just puts them in a very insecure
Speaker 1 00:42:31 Position. Actually one person completely living in another world. That's why naturally they all want to leave from Mars because they're so isolated. And they feel very stressed by that situation. It's not even healthy for someone to be excessively wealthy. It's actually an unhealthy, and, but it's really out there for them. And it's joyful for them to be a great philanthropist and a great giver actually, as well as maybe paying a bit more taxes. So
Speaker 2 00:43:01 This is the podcast. Please let's turn up the volume of let's bracket, the film pasture, or you could start by changing it where the person filibustering actually has to Philadelphia. That means they have to get up and they have to keep talking. And Wendy, you can no longer keep talking that Philadelphia is stopped. And the majority rule in shoes and the majority can pass legislation. When the guy starts talking, if they can go on for 10 days, three days, five days, while people reconsider, renegotiate and discuss fine. If the area, if they can only make it two days or 12 hours fine. But if they can't just say, I would do it. If you try to pass legislation that they can do because a hundred people can do that because it makes so effort. It isn't truly, it's really obstructing. It's not just demanding or questioning or giving more reasons or trying to plead for Ricky reconsideration, which is what it should have originally been.
Speaker 2 00:44:03 And actually it was used extensively by the slave States to maintain slavery. So that is it's sorted history. It's not written in, although it's not officially in the constitution, but it was just used that way. It's not in the constitution. If you're going to be originalist, you don't have it in there. Furthermore, about gun sanity, let's not say control, cause you can still have your hunting rifle and so on. Now your self-defense pistol, but you don't need assault weapons. Originally can say that the second amendment allows machine guns and assault weapons in presumed guys. And what have Kathleen guns because there was no such kind of gun in the time of the writing or drafting of the constitution in Philadelphia. So they didn't worry about some angry peasant getting freaked out, angry farmer, getting freaked out and going around machine, got everybody in the building.
Speaker 2 00:44:59 Hey, they might load a musket. Then you have to put the powder in Tampa with a rod and reload by that time, 10 people have tackled you. So that's what they were thinking about. When everyone has a right to bear arms, she knows muskets. She comes. So if you're in a vision list, you can easily cancel the AR 15. It's been restricted to the military. How absolute reserve is. Maybe you can have them where they go on reserve, but they're kept in a warehouse in between you. I on a reserve, you don't take it home.
Speaker 2 00:45:40 Okay? So those are just examples. But my key point is you don't have to listen to McConnell's threat because if McConnell tries to do all of in the air kind of weird tactics, they will be based on things that are just stylistic things in the Senate. There is no incentive that no legislation can be passed. So it wouldn't be, it wouldn't have taken an oath of office that they're here to serve the government of the people by the people and for the people. And if they just try to obstruct to anything in the Senate every day by then goes on television and the Biden tweets or Camila tweets, or his Trish of Twitter tweets to everyone, your pension money, your social security money, your highway job, your bitch rebuilding your, uh, you know, uh, anti-pollution plant, et cetera is not happening because these people are obstructing the government. And actually they are no longer, they are breaking their oath of office. And actually they need to be replaced because they have said, they're not going to do their job. They're resigning the factory. If you do scorched earth, as he calls it, that means he's openly resigning from being a Senator. Therefore he should leave the building and you can point that out and people will support you.
Speaker 2 00:47:08 Yeah, you can't do that. You have taken an oath to serve the people of the United served the constitution. The constitution is written to protect the people. That's what the constitution means. It means of the people by the people, for the people. It has been amended by the people too. And it could be further amended scorched
Speaker 1 00:47:30 Earth, scorched earth, open scorched earth, behaving Congress versus, or senators should be removed from office because they're breaking their oath of office. I would say easy to make a very popular insistence among the people. There'll be no problem with that whatsoever. They know that. And they know that the Democrats should realize that if they allow their work for the people to be blocked by these, uh, seditious paid off,
Speaker 1 00:48:10 Pretend senators and pretend Congress persons. If they do that, like the Marjorie, whatever, who's, who's there, you know, non woman, who's really basically sitting in a room in a place that she says she wants to shoot the people in the place because they are criminal baby cannibals or something, because that's what that thing says. There, Satan, there, there should be destroyed. She should have a jihad against them. You can't have people like that serving. They are not taking. And then when you take your oath of office, you say, I pledged to serve the constitution of the United States. It's good credit. It's good, reasonable, whatever, you know, which means the people of the United States. And I take this vow to serve them and uphold them with no purpose of evasion and with no reservation with my full intention and sort when they didn't say no, I'm not going to do the job because I don't like the way you do it. The one who won the majority, then you, then you are resigning from office actually. And that's very easy. Anyone can understand that. I never, anyone will understand that. And, and, and Carter
Speaker 0 00:49:36 Now Carter, okay.
Speaker 1 00:49:38 Uh, Tucker Carlson will not be able to say, Oh, they are doing their job by stopping the government from doing anything because the government is no good. He can't, he will try some other lies maybe at first to defend them. But he'll be overwhelmed. They will have to shut up on that. They can put them on Fox news to say, we won't do anything because they're all crime criminals, all the other people. But then they be sued. The president is, uh, he stole the election. Mr. McConnell would have to say that. That's why I don't serve in the Senate. I won't pass anything. I won't do anything. Of course, Schumer is stole his. He doesn't represent anybody, but he does all the people of New York to say, yes, he does.
Speaker 2 00:50:27 So then they w when they realized that these, that they're going to free people, freedom means they're free to choose to forcefully. Non-violently of course, but forcefully in a constitutional procedural, senatorial, and congressional manner, you're going to pursue the agenda you were elected to pursue. And the minority that was not elected to stop you from doing it or pursue another agenda, cannot infinitely, suppress you. And yet today they're serving the people. They can try to be elected next time, but they have to cooperate with you in governing. And that's easy to do. And usually the broker, and they will do that when they realize that without it, you will go ahead anyway, but the so-called scorched earth doesn't work. It did work in blocking Obama. And then that brought in Trump. They hoped to bring in Cruz or Rubio or some other type of person or a jet Bush.
Speaker 2 00:51:28 But actually they got Trump, which blew their cover, actually, because he openly said what they were doing. I want to see here for life, or I want to be like a dictator of China, our, or my beloved product, your boats, and the oligarchy set up by the KGB in the di the despotism of Russia in Russia, that they set up after the attempt at democracy in Russia, under Yeltsin in garbage hall, said this Putin guy, I want to be like him to open his head. That he didn't pretend I'm a big Democrat. He said, I want to stay in the white house for every broke, all the rules. He wanted to be a Testament. And he said, you mock me. Why not have rallies? Let me be your despot. And they said, yay. Dumb-ass did not. They did not elect him to continue to doing that.
Speaker 2 00:52:16 So therefore Biden has a right to install democracy and do what has, should have been done many years ago, fight the climate. Instead of pretending it's not happening to destroy California and Missouri and, and all the, all the Missouri river and Michigan and Mississippi river States with floods and destroy all the low line Miami with the ocean sea level, rising and destroy all the fish stocks and the food prize and the crops in Iowa by Bassett floods, and then droughts in between the massive flood. This is a climate enemy we should have, we should be responding to that enemy instead of just trying to make short term money and ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist, this has to be done now. And the filibuster and the people obstructing government to do it, only government can do it cannot be allowed to do so. And the people have spoken. It could have voted in drunk. They could have made me continue to Mitch, majority of the majority leader, but he isn't. So he cannot block majority
Speaker 1 00:53:26 By using tricks and full threats and actually doing what already, what he's threatening to do. So therefore it's an empty threat. Okay. Thank you. That's what I want to say. And I I'm, I'm praising Mitzi, I'm praising Philiano or to read anything he wrote, uh, Elizabeth, uh, Scott, Heather, Scott Richardson, read her work called the new Jim Crow and other books like that. And, uh, if you want to go deeper and, um, and the more power to you, Joe and Camila and Chuck and Nancy, and get on with it. Thank you very much. All the best. Okay.
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