Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:14 Welcome to my Bob Thurman podcast. I'm so grateful and some good friends enabled me to present them to you. If you enjoy them and find them useful, please think of becoming a member of Tibet house us to help preserve Tibetan culture. If that house is the Dalai Lama's control and center in America, all best wishes. Have a great day. This is episode 259. A conversation with soul trim. I
Speaker 1 00:01:14 Do have behind you there.
Speaker 2 00:01:17 It's a yummy AB uh, Oh, how cool with, uh, white Tara and AAMI Titus. It's a can say Wong pole a Terma.
Speaker 1 00:01:33 I see it. They're the only ones that I know where they have. A lot of your paintings are colored chakras, speech, speech Mandela. Notice that my friend, my late friend who used to be a painter and a great artist who died, unfortunately too soon. He was so mad with his show Nam girl monks, because they were, when they painted all the days is the chapel in Dharamsala there on the wall. They have a special color term for wall, but when they had the <inaudible>, they didn't realize that the little guy was the app. So they put this press side breasts, you know, that you see painting. It was so bad. He made them like paint, change it and say, what do you mean? How can the little guy be the male? Oh, sorry. That's the case?
Speaker 2 00:02:27 Uh, middle, right?
Speaker 1 00:02:29 Yeah, it looks so well, you look really happy. I think I do spend some winter time away from Tara mandola
Speaker 2 00:02:36 Well, yeah, what happened is, uh, I, I had a sort of genetic heart situation. Uh, I was always told I had a heart murmur, but I was always told lots of people have heart murmurs. And, but then pretty much, as soon as I turned 70, like on birthday, it started acting up, uh, because of the altitude. And, um, so I came down here to Encinitas where I am to see a doctor, a cardiologist. And I realized I felt a lot better,
Speaker 1 00:03:20 But you're only there about, uh, three, 4,000 feet
Speaker 2 00:03:25 Now. Oh no. It's 8,000.
Speaker 1 00:03:30 Yeah. That's a bit altitude. But then Allie is about saying, so you've been there.
Speaker 2 00:03:39 Well, I mean, I've lived at high altitudes and of course been into bed and so on, but it just, you know, things change when you get older.
Speaker 1 00:03:48 I see. Do you feel, you look really well, you don't look like you're having any kind of a murmur. I don't like doctors. They always say you have something gives them something to do. You know? And I don't believe in them. I don't when my father actually, when my father died of a heart attack at a young age, but I reached that age in my fifties. Um, I had like pans and I went to one, uh, forced me to go to one and then he couldn't find anything, but he was very frustrated. He made me do all kinds of tests. Everything came with me said, well, maybe I'd had one and had noticed it, but I didn't have a gauge. You. One girl told me that I would break the pattern of my lineage. And I wouldn't have one because Dharma had made me to jolly.
Speaker 1 00:04:37 He said, but the males in my lineage were more angry. Some and nervous. He said, but you now to jolly because of the Dharma. So you won't, but actually you'll gain a lot of weight and you have to be careful. He said, which I didn't have to leave all my male relatives who were all skinny. Anybody that's about me. Nevermind about that. By the way, that's a new thing. I mean, we can always edit if I talk too much, but I want you to, I want to just shoot it. See what you think about something that I recently discovered, and that is Joe Chen translates Sunday, not <inaudible> like zero grim in the, in the, you know, the, the other <inaudible> schools. So the joke there translate snitch pan our niche party, you know, finishing completion, but suddenly doesn't mean completion or perfection. Sandy means connection like Sandy rules in grammar, you know, Sunday is the connection of night and day in the dorm or in the dusk, you know, Sandia, you know, so Sandy, it means connection.
Speaker 1 00:05:53 So, so actually, if you sort of, that term was translated before the summer tantras were there and they were using Zopa for that. So they start <inaudible> like complete. And of course it's a great thing. I'm not, it doesn't downgrade, doesn't downgrade a dog at all, but rather it saves it from the danger of escapist minded people thinking they're just going to space out and disappear kind of dualistically like with antenna or something, because the idea is when you're, you know, you're, you're, you're infinite and you're spaced out. And then space is full of other beings who are suffering, what you can't miss since you know everything. And I like to say, you know, I like to say that Buddha must think, but it's pure speculation. Of course, I don't pretend like he must think it's like, Oh, close out. He's all blessed to. And then he therefore is capable of total empty of infinite numbers of suffering beings, even in Herald sun. And so his suddenly sees all these phases and then they're all there. They have an underlying, if they are not openly doing it, then underlying thing, they are learning.
Speaker 1 00:07:18 And, and he, but the power of the bliss is so great. He can, he can then automatically break into pieces, the Amalekites without any effort and help each one in ways they would be able to accept. And so then the call, but if, if we make 10, if we go back through that route and we introduce it in some context as the great connection, instead of the great perfection, it might be, it might have a good thing. Cause I do feel a lot of people, they just want to escape, you know, and all that seems easier. I don't have to like do all those little drugs. I can just get good and space out. Period as Sonia DAS likes to say, there's two Dick cherry over the deck chair, yoga, no lion day. Oh dad. That's facing out anyway. Just think about it.
Speaker 2 00:08:16 I know that. I know that about the translation. So Chen, um, non-kin over talked about that about, um, <inaudible> exactly. Um, and, uh, yeah, so I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about soak Shannon and ways that it's taught. Um, I don't know if you've ever received the chewing zoo. Have you ever received that? Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:08:43 I've looked at it. <inaudible>
Speaker 2 00:08:51 Yeah. Right now we're having a, uh, online program on Armando with <inaudible>. Do you know who he is? He's uh, uh, Adam, Adam gal say he H um, Shay DRA and very close to <inaudible>, but, um, Toko and so he's teaching chewings Oh, four hours a week through talking great, uh, two hours on Wednesday and two hours on Friday. And it's just, it's just like, it's so amazing. Um, and I could connect you with that if you're interested.
Speaker 1 00:09:36 Yeah, sure. What are we doing it online? Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yes. I'd love to see the link I take nowadays of doctor NIDA. <inaudible>
Speaker 2 00:09:48 I have met him. Yeah. I made him to teach a tar. Mandola
Speaker 1 00:09:52 Actually, it's a weird thing. You know, every Tibetan doctor has a, you talk practice because you talk to younger, made the medicine for Tom Jones. The medicine was also an art to yoga himself. And so everyone is supposed to do that. And when I started medicine in 1916, four and five, I was initiated at the head, but then I was thinking I've been doing good. Some Algerian comments are cried. I didn't pay that much attention to that aspect. So NIDA has rekindled that for me, but in a llama, I learned a lot like way. Uh, but what I do precisely like about him is that, although I think he has the capacity to be a bit of a Lama. He doesn't act like that. He's not frozen in that identity because he actually has to deal with, like, you remember you write that, you say people like Austrian lady, she didn't want to get into emotions.
Speaker 1 00:10:49 Yeah. We were like, no, you have to do emotions when you're even, you're doing high Dharma channels, whatever it is, we have to deal with emotions. Of course there are there and red, and then it ends up poor things that also had to do that. So, so he, as a doctor, he meets people who have real trouble, you know, and also the Dharma people who was consultant as a doctor. So that makes him a little more, it follows shoe has to follow through with students and things in a way that maybe a Lama who doesn't know medicine,
Speaker 2 00:11:25 My, um, students who has been studying with me since he was 14, became a Tibetan doctor and teaches Eric, Eric Jhumpa Eric Anderson. I don't know if you've ever run across him. Um, he teaches at pure LAN and he's amazing. He's very young came up to me when he was 14, but made his parents bring him to tar mandola from Durango and came up to me and said, uh, Tigie delay. I'm named ma he had found it on the internet. He just figured out what his lineage was anyway. And
Speaker 1 00:12:08 He does he practice herbal medicine mean? Does he collected herbs up in Dharma and the last name? That's my, my, my own teacher. He she'd done that. You've probably met him at the teacher and, uh, I love him and he was very eccentric, but he never bothered me. And some people made bad rumors about him, I think because I never saw any kind of anything but centricity, but he was the most fantastic diagnostician. I have seen amazing diagnostics from him from pallets, you know, and so on. Um, and, uh, he had a dream of doing, having herbs, cultivating Tibetan herbs in a place like Armando was his dream and want him to do that. He said, but he said, when he was in his eighties to Zerto, you failed me. Who never found me that place to grow the herbs in Colorado. I'm a poor professor. I had to buy a ranch in Colorado. I'm sorry again, that it wasn't,
Speaker 2 00:13:11 He also produce our own herbal things from the, almost every plant at tar Mondo is medicine. Yes, I think so. I bet it is. And so when I was in retreat on 19, in 2001, I was, uh, sick. I w I went in quite sick and I had, you know, like lung things and I was just exhausted from starting tar mandola. And then when spring came, uh, the plant started coming up and they started talking to me, not literally talking, but telling there were, they would tell me they were medicine, certain ones I'd look at them and they were telling me,
Speaker 1 00:14:00 No, no. That you mentioned, I'm sure she must've helped you also. She knows somebody.
Speaker 2 00:14:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, we have 21 formulas that I created next few years, um, uh, extracts of the herbs from Tara Mondo for, for all different things, including cancer. Right. And, uh, and the cancer one is now supporting the whole thing because it, it works. Yes. It's called Contra can. Um, but yeah. Um,
Speaker 1 00:14:32 It's been diagnosed with a serious cancer. You, you, you have
Speaker 2 00:14:38 Yes, very special thing. Oh, that's very interesting Hunter, Ken
Speaker 1 00:14:43 Contact that it goes to the website or what?
Speaker 2 00:14:46 Yep. Store Tara mandola.org, enter the link and it, and I'll write down the name of it. I can also dowse for how much he should take. So
Speaker 1 00:15:01 Really an old, old friend of mine from like high school, you know, queer fit the name, Tom Griffin. And he's wonderful. He's like, like you and like me, like, you know, got reborn and mocks these white people from somewhere else and trying to help out.
Speaker 2 00:15:20 So let's go back to talk about feminine.
Speaker 1 00:15:25 Yes. Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. We can edit out some of this other grenades go. Yes. What, what you want to convey and what you, you you're reestablishing the Mandela and this greatest of women teachers up to bed. And then making that lineage here in a time when, um, I don't know if you ever knew Tara, Toko the former rabbit of UTA, but he passed away in the eighties. Part-time the young one got lost, you know, like one of those things for them to the Chinese and the whole thing didn't work out, but he's around somewhere, but I don't have a relationship, but he was really great. And he used to constantly say that it will be the women in America when he opened, I told her, I went with him to, to be part centers, centers, and Zen centers and Tibetans centers. And he would give talks. And he would always say this to women who have to take the lead here.
Speaker 2 00:16:18 Yeah. I mean, if you go pretty much to any Dharma center, it's 85% women. Yeah, absolutely. So it's, uh, to me, it's not about, you know, that women are superior or something like that, but more that we do need that aspect. We need a balance in our world and, and a real balance, uh, where, where the voices of women are being heard equally and respected equally because, uh, women do have something different. You know, sometimes I feel like with feminism or whatever, it's, it's more like, we're just as good as men, you know, or we want to be like men. And I think that's really missing the point. I mean, yes, you want to be paid like men and you want to have, you know, equal respect and so on. But the idea that you want to be like, man, no, no, of course, no, we don't.
Speaker 1 00:17:30 We have enough men peeking like men and that's the trouble.
Speaker 2 00:17:34 Yes. That is a true, and it's only of snow. So to say that he did, he did.
Speaker 1 00:17:46 And so that's why, you know, you know,
Speaker 2 00:17:50 I think that, uh, that may alarm most of them. However, I think to have a slight problem with that idea, I'm afraid, you know, hard it's been for a long was to even get acknowledged exactly. Um, there a lot of resistance from the male Tsonga. Right. So anyway, I think this is a very important thing for the world. I also had a, uh, big challenge with this, uh, because my, my teacher, um, who has since deceased, um, told me that I was too feminist and feminine. Yeah. And that, you know, that wasn't so Chen and so on. And so I actually really questioned myself, uh, about that. And, you know, this is along with that I really deep, uh, love and respect for. And I was like, maybe it true, you know, and I'm being too dualistic. And so I actually went into retreat for a year by myself, in Colorado at Tara mandola to sit with that question.
Speaker 2 00:19:22 I mean, I wanted to do certain practices and so on, but, uh, my, one of the questions I was sitting with was, is it actually important to keep talking about this need for the feminine, or is that dualistic fixation? And that was 2001 retreat sitting with that question because it was really important. I really had felt that it was, and I questioned it because he questioned it. And so what happened, two things happen in that retreat. One was Tara appeared to me in a vision. I did three weeks of Tara at the beginning of the retreat, common way to begin. And then she actually appeared in my oven and I was, I was actually crying about this relationship with my teacher and just how messed up it was and the grief of it all and everything. And, and, uh, and, and a certain point, I cried out to her and she feared, I could see her the end of the, at the end of the bed.
Speaker 2 00:20:49 And, um, and I said, where have you been? And she said, I've been here the whole time, but you never called me. And it was true. I had never actually called on her, even though it was doing tire practice. It was more like theoretical or something. This was like a really emotional call and she was there. And so that was a real awakening for me. She is, she is actually there. And 2001 was nine 11. And so I was in retreat during nine 11. And David, my husband came to my cabin and told me, but he never would do that normally. But he came because it was so extreme and told me what had happened. And my reaction sitting there on this mountain side in Colorado was where are the women? Where are the women in the lives of these men that did this? Where's the, what's their relationship to the feminine, where is the feminine and the American response.
Speaker 2 00:22:05 And so it was lacking now, of course, that's what I saw lacking terribly lacking. And so in that moment, I recommitted to the feminine and I decided, you know, what, whatever happened I had to, to that, it wasn't like, Oh, it would be nice if I had to for the survival of the earth. And it's critical. Yes. And I'm so grateful that you feel that way. Um, and so, um, I, when I came out of retreat, I, I, I did that. I did that. Um, I made the statement, you know, just to the people that came and I came out of retreat. And, um, and I, I said, I'm, um, um, I'm recommitting to this and, you know, whatever this means with this relationship I was with, um, non-kin over in <inaudible>, I'd been with for 18 years studying, practicing. I, you know, I may have to let this go, let this relationship go. But I,
Speaker 1 00:23:31 The teacher seal into that, you mean just still pushing you on that.
Speaker 2 00:23:35 He was, yeah, you're too feminists. And so I just
Speaker 1 00:23:43 Eliminate the, and most people when said, he, he should really be returned as a woman, $15 a month, although he's not going to be in politics. Right. You know, and, uh, there's his people on his staff and they all know no way they will all at some point I'm sure.
Speaker 2 00:24:03 Um, but anyway, so, so just to finish that story, I did co recommit to it, and I thought maybe Tom mandola would just fall apart because this was my lineage and what was gonna happen. You know, lineage is everything. But what did happen was that, uh, my students all gathered and said, we're with you And we're going to support you. And then they gave all the money to build our amazing temple.
Speaker 1 00:24:39 That's beautiful, dedicated for the sacred
Speaker 2 00:24:41 Feminine. It's so beautiful. You have to see it. I want to, we really have to, if people think, Oh, I I've saw pictures, you know, I, you know, and they're calm and they're like, they actually start crying. But anyway, so, so the good thing is that 14 years later, um, <inaudible> came to timeline Dilla. After David died, I went to see him and anyway, I invited him and he came and I was so nervous about what he would say and do and whatever. And he walked around, saw I walked around the temple and then we kind of sat down and he looked at me and he said, you've done a good job.
Speaker 2 00:25:29 And he taught and he gave empowerments. And, um, really, uh, you know, he didn't usually give formal empowerments, but he did time. And they said, you you're, you're really, this is really, you're really holding the bace on it here because we hold very traditional drip shins and things like that. And he w he was so respectful and it was such a beautiful healing. And I think important because so many women doubt themselves and about this and that we have such deep respect for the llamas, such profound, um, respect, you know, you don't want to ever contradict anything that they would say. And yet, um, this is really important for the world. It's not a matter of Buddhism or, you know, it's, it's a world problem and a world issue because we have this amazing resource of half of humanity. That's hardly being used.
Speaker 1 00:26:34 He's actually always terribly
Speaker 2 00:26:37 And Lee and leadership and, uh,
Speaker 1 00:26:41 Not just leadership just every day, every house. Yeah. You as badly.
Speaker 2 00:26:46 So, so anyway, Merlin Waring's book, what book Marilyn waring, did you ever read her book? What was the name of it?
Speaker 1 00:26:56 She's a sociologist from New Zealand and it's called counting for nothing. The labor of women. No, it hasn't been a global thing. Oh, it's just, it's hard to read.
Speaker 2 00:27:09 I'm writing it down, but I mean, things are changing, you know, there's that whole micro, um, financing is happening a lot through women. That's good. And there there's some progress being made. Um, and I think, you know, my book, this, uh, wisdom rising journey into the mandola of the empowered feminine is about empowerment of women, inner, like I N empowerment, empowerment of women and men in terms of the feminine. And so it's that outer PA empowerment is important, but at the, how, what are women draw in on as they are activists, or as they are trying to change things or embody the feminine in, in various ways, what are they drawing on that that can support them in that process? And, you know, in general, what are women drawing on spiritually? And so what I teach is dakini mandola in, in wisdom, rising is, uh, is, and I think they can draw on and in women, it's, it's very powerful. I can use her very powerful. And the Mandela of course is
Speaker 1 00:28:37 So I actually like it. I'm very fond of the narrow yoga named Katoomba.
Speaker 2 00:28:43 That's wonderful. So anyway, uh, that was my offering with wisdom rising was to take something from Tibetan Buddhism and apply it to a worldwide issue, um, and, and offer this, uh, resource for inner power, uh, to, um, feed and of,
Speaker 1 00:29:08 Have you ever reached out to a Christian women? You know, there's this woman who just left the Southern Baptist convention to know the story of you. Do you notice that in the media, cause you're not in the mountains now you're in California, but I heard it, I was very touched by, is a lady who was never allowed to be a minister quite by the Southern Baptist convention, but she had, but she protested that and she was an important writer. And of course, that's one of my eight-year-old things. I can't think of her name this minute, but I will remember, I did
Speaker 2 00:29:42 Read about that. I think at the time
Speaker 1 00:29:44 He stepped out and she resigned from being part of it. And then some of them said, good writtens and others were really upset because they thought a lot of women would follow her. Yeah, of course. That's a really, that's those people who were all pro-Trump, you know, and they're really ridiculous, you know, they want, uh, you know, Amy Coney Barrett, I mean really crazy kind of those, those kinds of political evangelists, the Ralph Reed, you know, these people. So it would be really interesting to have a strong woman minister, but she would be seeing you as a Buddhist minister, a leader of a community as a strong woman and reach out because what does she have to look for? Where can she find resources? She can't really take evangelicals easily to the godfather of Saint Thomas or something, or God, some of Mary <inaudible>, she can't go go with there, but maybe you could touch base with lane pagans. I shouldn't say that. I don't know, but you know, uh, you know, I don't know if you've ever reached out to anybody of that kind, but it's the time that that's, that would be very important.
Speaker 2 00:30:52 Well, um, you know,
Speaker 1 00:30:54 It's world religion, you representing something within the Buddhist movement. I think there was some Zen women who would also be joining us.
Speaker 2 00:31:02 I'm I'm thinking about having a conference for, um, Western Buddhist women teachers in all traditions. I was talking to Lama Willa, do you know Lama Willa? Uh, yeah, kind of, yeah,
Speaker 1 00:31:20 I do sort of know them, but I, you know, they don't necessarily invite men to their conferences and if they did, even if they did, you have to understand for 50 years I've been working five jobs or something.
Speaker 2 00:31:33 Yeah. But anyway, that's something that she and I, she just came here to visit me. We talked about doing something like that, but it would be really interesting to talk to other women who have, have battled with the patriarchs and, and, and, and it, it takes so much out of you and so much courage and you're alone when it's happening. I didn't have anybody.
Speaker 1 00:32:00 You did mention in your book, you seem to, you seem to be accepted or accepting the ma the Western religions scholars, historiography. The tantra says some late thing in India rather than comes from Buddha, you know, as Tibetans would say, you know, and from Nagarjuna, you know, um, so it's, it's, you know, and since Tundra is where you get to really compassion side of things, where, you know, a great connection level instead of great perfection heading off the planet, but great connection as changing the making Buddha verse out of the planet. And, you know, I, my job was when I was active, but now that I'm retired, even more overthrowing, all that historicity where they try to put that's part of their whole thing of putting everybody in a bag and Oh, yeah. Buddha's just Buddhism. All the religions that putting the women down, they're all just see Felicia with a second song.
Speaker 1 00:33:01 I don't think so. You know, this, I have one graduate student who wrote a 3,000 page monograph, which ruined my, all my colleagues, willingness to read my graduate student's papers for his dissertation in it, for his defense. But in which he, of course, he goes past Buddha because he served a medically oriented that one, but he goes all the way back into the friends and the betas, and he tries to find it if he could, he would reach to her wrapper <inaudible> and he's a weird kind of weird genius type of character, but he passed his dissertation anyway. But I mean, he found in the punishments and all kinds of wonderful things, tantra, you know, their idea of the connection and dealing with the female.
Speaker 2 00:33:53 Do you know, it's happened a few years ago, like now in the early two thousands, I think, and I was really interested at the time, but I haven't heard anything more about it that they found a pillar, a top of a pillar in India somewhere, uh, that was dated to around 300 that said dakini, Yana,
Speaker 1 00:34:20 Really that one, but I'm sure that's true. I I've lived down in the show. Can that wouldn't be a Shogun pillar?
Speaker 2 00:34:30 Uh, it was, uh, it was archeological. And I remember talking to Anne Klein about, I said, wow, this is amazing. So early much earlier than they date contrary usually. And, uh, and she, she said, yeah, well now they'll study it and we'll hear more about it, but I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 1 00:34:50 I know I love C 10 to get a little bit lost. Like that's his scrolls, you know, about that because the men are in charge, you know, the name, Maria, Jim Buddha story, you know, that story, how she was the toast of France and Paris and your, all of Europe, when she was studying the Corgan male conquering people coming into Europe, 5,000 BCE and so on. And then she dug deeper and found the Metro lineal, then your culture, you know, that culture. And then they busted her and she had to go to LA. Yes. She had to pretend she's like just marginal. And I don't believe it
Speaker 2 00:35:26 Marginalized to all of her really obvious research. You know, I were at all that and was when he was living in New York. I know, um, Joan was her assistant. Who's his end teacher. And it's my little dog we should probably right. We should probably wind up.
Speaker 1 00:35:52 Yes, yes. I think people probably want to, and we won't use all of this because we had other things that are like that, but, well, we'll have to get it edited. And, uh, I'm so happy to just touch base with you and reconnect. Really. I am really grateful, valid, happy about it. Look forward to seeing you out there and maybe having a visit Menlo work on something this October with the lions or do something online, out to bed. I just really been a joy to see you. And it's a blessing. Actually. I feel blessed to talk to you too well and happy, and don't listen to people and frighten you about your heart. Please don't stick things in there and good things everybody's has murmurs and this and that. Some yoga stopped their hearts for like half an hour while they go off and asked for body whatever, just to consult with Tara about your heart.
Speaker 2 00:36:50 So I'm gonna, um, try to come to men law. If somebody sends me an invitation, I would try to do that when I start traveling again.
Speaker 1 00:37:02 Sure, sure. Meanwhile, maybe online, we'll try to, we, I will talk to Mel and, um, we, we haven't really started working on yet the second dollar Lama sunlit. Um, and, um, I'd like you to be a central thing about how connecting the lineage fits with, you know, making American, modern society more compassionate as a, how that connects, you know, and how the feminist thing is for real here. And it has to be really, I think that's important that I think you are the authoritative spokesperson and you even took two of you here, retreat to decide not to listen, to being put in place
Speaker 2 00:37:49 And
Speaker 1 00:37:50 Acting like us men be more like men sort of routine.
Speaker 2 00:37:56 When, when, um, yeah. When I tell this story, in retrospect, it seems obvious I should stick with the feminine, but I think it's really important to understand how hard this is for a woman and how you feel so alone. And, you know, I was supported by Jack Kornfield and Norman Fisher and people like that. And, and Joanna Macy and I wasn't completely alone, but within that tradition, I felt pretty alone. And, um, and, and very, and
Speaker 1 00:38:36 So I just want to say that, although these things are kind of obvious, like, of course you had to stick with that, but it's not, of course, and we really need support and I so much appreciate your support and that you actually think this is important and we need more people like you. Well, where it would be all men are hard to take the Rambo movies and things. Yeah. I try, I try. I don't claim to have really achieved for it, but somehow old age helps a little bit maybe or so, but your wife, Paula, she is my girl. Absolutely. He's definitely my third girl. I saluted her, uh, along with his whole inner side, she born down there and my three major girls Dar taco in between there and Sarah corner check, but they're all my main teachers, but she is equal to any of the Lamas, as far as what I've learned.
Speaker 1 00:39:39 I will say that I hope it doesn't upset his holiness. I know I'm a nervous when I say that, because it wouldn't upset him. I'm sure about 50 whites are talking in the chord, you know, he's going crazy. He's like comparing his wife to you and you have to worry about, and, you know, cut off the access, you know? So it was a danger in dealing with a court situation. The court here totally said, okay, I'll let you go. Thank you so much. Um, and, uh, Earhart, Earhart, and really lots of love to you all the best. Good luck. Okay. Let me, actually, if you send me a snail mail address, I might send you a, did you see our Tara Tundra book? No. You know, I know in our job of trying to translate the fender, this is not actually a vendor, but we do. It's a very wonderful job, but not as, she's not a student of mine. She was a student of professor Wayman, my predecessor, where we retrieved her dissertation and then she made a book, made it into a book. So thank you so much and have a great day and take care of yourselves. Okay. You too. Okay. Bye.
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