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Speaker 3 00:00:48 This is episode 295. Celebrating the budh enlightenment wisdom and compassion on
Speaker 4 00:01:16 Hi everybody. How are you? It is Sagawa, uh, the full moon in the vice Shakka month. The month when the moon is in the Aster of vice Shakka. So the full moon is in that. And, uh, I'm thrilled to be talking to you from, uh, my studio in, uh, in Woodstock, in the, in the mountains. And yes, I like that little face. That's the face of the future Budha the little face in the, on the corner there looks to you like my left shoulder, but to me, but it's my right shoulder. And, uh, the, uh, excuse my left shoulder. I'm sorry. And, uh, and then behind me is the color chakra mandala. So I'm very happy and, uh, Shak, moon Budha up there. Uh, there he is on that side and, uh, of course he is also Kala chakra and he is the whole mandala.
Speaker 4 00:02:22 But anyway, today is the day that the Tibetan celebrate the enlightenment and, uh, some of them also the birth day and the enlightenment and the, and the passing into para Nirvana, which doesn't mean final Nirvana in the sense of a going away from the world. It means a total or thorough Nirvana in the sense that Buddha is in his body of reality, everywhere in the universe, infused and suffused and immersed in all of us and in everything throughout the infinite series of galaxies and nebulous. And what have you. He certainly didn't go away. It means thorough. It means that Buda emerged with the reality that Nirvana is everything. We are already Nirvana. That means <laugh>. And that's why the fact that we certainly don't feel like it is simply reflecting our MIS knowing our MIS knowledge, our wrong understanding of the world. We think we're in some place of suffering and we suffer and, and we, but we, and we think it at a deep, structural, super unconscious level.
Speaker 4 00:03:43 So it, so it doesn't seem like we're thinking it, it seems like we're just some big thing comes and hits me. You know, somebody hits me with a club, a truck runs over me. I die, I have a cough. Uh, it's something, this goes terribly wrong. And throughout that to us, us, that's utterly real. And actually it isn't absolutely unreal. It's not nothing the wrong people only think that the Buddhist inside is to see through everything where it's all, nothing, no, it's not nothing. It's way better than nothing. It's everything. It's infinite energy. It's just pure sheer BLIS of life. It's but it's, but when you're so Shearer and it's so pure and it's so infinite, it seems to be doing nothing. It's like bliss is a big excitement when you are UN BLIS and you have a breakthrough into release, right. But if you're in permanent release, it doesn't necessarily feel like a breakthrough.
Speaker 4 00:04:45 It just, it just feels inconceivably great, but it doesn't, it's not numb. Nothing is like, would be like numb, but it isn't numb. It's somehow simultaneously numb pain and BLIS. And of those three bliss is stronger and therefore it's more bliss and it's exponential bliss actually. It's what they call bliss, freedom, indivisible, and all the, what I just said, of course, in a way doesn't make sense because you can't be in pain and be in BLIS at the same time, of course, but <affirmative>, but in a way, the bud of mind can, and it can do it without making them equal. It can do it where the bliss is stronger. That's the key thing. And that's why it's better than nothing. <laugh> now all of you, or I even say, say we, because in a way involuntarily or, you know, sort of, uh, uh, habitually, I'm also a materialist that is to say, I don't really vividly depict my future life.
Speaker 4 00:06:06 The way I vividly depict when I'm 90. Now I may never reach 90. I may leave my body before that I'm already 80, but I, I depict it however, and I don't do things that I think would cause agony and misery for me at 90, just in a practical way. So in a way, the possibility of 90 is more real for me than the possibility of being 10 years old in another body or E and, and, and therefore, I'd also the idea of just not being here at all appeals to me because that's materialism. It's like Woody Allens, wonderful materialist, famous joke where he said, oh, people are so worked up about dying. I don't mind dying. I just don't want to be there when it happens. <laugh> I love that. I'm sorry, but I really like it. I think it it's, it's truly great.
Speaker 4 00:07:11 You know, Woody Allen among materialist comedians was great and in general, all comedians are great. I'm not sure that Woody though is quite up to the level of Zelensky of let voir Zelensky. I don't think he's quite up to that, but look at my Trey's face. My Trey's little face. He is, he is, uh, he's so cheerful and happy and you just see his face. It's like, he's like a Buddha is a cosmic comedian. I think actually one thing you get to be when you're a Buddha is a great comedian, I think, and a comedian is doesn't mean just someone who's silly by the way, sometimes silliness can be comedy when it's used to release one from some notion of pompous seriousness, but it basically not the comedians thing to be silly. The comedians thing is to present something to you, your reality in such a way that it becomes impossible for you to capture it the way you usually do in your category and you, and, and the release of it into a new way of seeing it makes you laugh and laughing is like a vibration in your heart, coming from your heart, a real laugh.
Speaker 4 00:08:35 That is where you kind of let go your sense of grasping securely on whatever it is that's in your sphere of perception. I know that sounds, that might sound complicated, but just means we, he or she, or it, a great comedian gives us a different take on whatever it is we're used to having a take on. That's a great, great job of a comedian. I, I saw by accident and went about to turn off and go to bed. The tube. I saw a, a short biography of, uh, George Carlin, what a wonderful, amazing person really, but very naughty in his way. Very, very, but very much his own person. You know, not just being brainwashed into some kind of like follow the leader sort of thing. Alright, so here we are celebrating the Budha. So
Speaker 4 00:09:37 The reason for making a celebration, of course, doesn't affect Budha. He, in a way it does, because it makes us happier. And since he's won with us, Shamo Budha is he's there all over his Buda field. We're in his Butterfield in an extension of time, uh, just like extension of space, because of course the planet is in a different place by far than where it was when he attained that when he left his ordinary seeming humanoid body. And, uh, but he extends everywhere because when you're a bud, you are everywhere. I know that again is inexpressible, right? That, that doesn't mean anything. How can you be everything and everywhere then you just are everything and everywhere. There's no, you's what you think. But actually there is you because there's a, you that's enjoying being everything. That's the key thing that's called the body of enjoyment.
Speaker 4 00:10:34 I call it the body of be attitude. And, uh, but most translators call the body of enjoyment. And maybe they're better. I dunno. So Shakia mooni thank you for demonstrating the deeds that a human needs to do to become a Buddha. You need to be first born a human. And that is to say, choose a really weird embodiment. From the point of view, in an elephant, we are a dinky little wimpy character with no trunk and no tusks <laugh> and no size to, to overall lion. And we, we have, uh, you know, we don't have a thick hide. You know, we can't adjust like bales and bales of hay every hour. You know, we are like dinky, uh, from a CRO out point of view, we have a pathetic teeth, you know, et cetera. So the choice of being a human was not an obvious choice.
Speaker 4 00:11:36 So that's the first thing you have to, you have to become a human. Then you have to learn a lot. You have to have a decent mom who will not distort your view of reality. She will be the milk of human kindness to you, which will make you realize there is kindness in reality, which will give you the first taste of the basic trust in the goodness of all life, which you really need, because it is the case, but MIS knowledge quickly covers it over the first time you have a little, you have a little bump, you don't get the milk, you're hungry, or you have a digestion or whatever. You get sick. Then you, you wall off, you completely wall off that, that, uh, feeling. And, uh, and you start miss knowing must knowing up a storm. Like I'm just me. I have to get away from all of this.
Speaker 4 00:12:33 I have to escape from it. I have to defend myself from it. I have to put a barrier, bigger barrier between me and everything and so on. And that's what, that's what we do where we miss know. And then I want more milk. I want, I want to grab the milk and keep it from myself, take it away from everybody else. And all this kind of greedy business, you know, that's what happens. So then next you grow up and you learn everything. Then in the process of enjoying life, you have to have fun. And, uh, bud ASTA had super fun. He really did. He was a spoiled brat prince, of course, with everything that anyone could desire from a materialistic point of view, beautiful women, loving people, beautiful environment, every pleasure, you know, wonderful clothing, jewelry, good health, best medicine, great doctor VEIC doctors. You know, he really had everything and he had tremendous fun.
Speaker 4 00:13:33 He did, and people enjoyed him and he liked all and they liked him. So he wasn't in a way ripping anybody all for doing anything mean to anybody. He was. And even they say he had a way of expanding his being, you know, the famous Krishna. Rosala, that's a theme in India, literature where a Krish to God later on in the <inaudible> is shown. I was multiplying his body because all the cow, hers that he lived within this village with cow herds, they were all in love with him. So he just multiplied his body to be the one person for each one of them. He didn't just make up. Some of them jealous while enjoying being with another one he multiplied himself in was with all of them simultaneously, you know, very much a sort of fantasy thing. <laugh> well, there's a trope like that about Buddha, but it's not easy to find because you know, the marks don't like that part of the story it's and people feel upset about it, but it was, it was the case.
Speaker 4 00:14:33 And then you have to leave it all. You have to realize there's a higher bliss, not in terms of trying to escape from it, not in terms of trying to go off and hide yourself, cuz you realize the goodness in a way you have a deeper sense of the goodness, which enables you. When you start going away from the sense pleasures, uh, to avoid certain meditative pleasure states that you can get by sort of tapas, you know, mortifying yourself by suffering externally and then opening up near your nervous system, your subtle body to have internal experiences and reach internal states in isolation from the rest of the world and then become addicted to those. Just like you were addicted, like out of desire, actually like you were addicted to material sense pleasures out of desire. So, so, but you have to learn, you have to show that to people.
Speaker 4 00:15:28 You also have to be very deeply aware of your interconnectedness to other people so that you know that when you do something, it affects them right away. And you know that from having fun and you're having fun. And then you, you do, you do something makes you not have fun and you, someone have dodged the fun or something. It gets too much for you or whatever. Then that immediately the people who are sharing your good vibe, they immediately are turned off as well. And you've learned that. So you're very much connected to people. So from even this time without having a formal, because at bris time he was in a place in the world where there was no formal, but vow option. Nobody told him, uh, that you could be a Budha, but he sort of unconsciously intimated it. He didn't have the idea that we luckily can have after his teaching that we can become this kind of infinite, blessed being.
Speaker 4 00:16:28 And therefore we become motivated to do that. And we're willing to give up little pleasures in order to do it and even learn to use pleasure in on the way of doing it rather than just get lost in them. So then, then he had his six years of self mortification and actually Buddha don't always do that in worlds where there's less violence and beings live longer and they're more sort of easygoing and the world is more abundant. Like the Mitra Budha, that one who's smiling there. The comedian Budha, he is not born in the warrior class like Budha was cuz at his time in the world, the intellectual class, the priest class, the Broman class, they are the elite. And therefore he attains Buddhahood in one day when he leaves his being a Broman priest in the, in the, in the divine temple, you know, the theistic temple, he leaves there to become a Buddha and he smashes the sacrificial, uh, pole that he inherits from his father instead of using it to run the rituals that will run in the temple, he smashes it and in into thousand millions of shards and then he gives each different shard.
Speaker 4 00:17:42 He has immediate magical powers. And as a Buddha, he gives each shard to people and then they become, uh, enlightened our hats in his, in his revenue and bohi right away. They don't have to struggle and suffer the way we do. So there, there are worlds where it's easier for the being. And of course you can discuss why or not, but I don't want to get into that. I just wanna say in a kind of world like our world, you have to do these rigorous difficult things that Buda does too. And he did that. And then you, you, then you encounter, uh, the devil, which is people's mise, uh, sort of a personification of that mise that makes people greedy and, and angry. And they, of course they think they're fighting a world that is overwhelming to them. And so the devil and the devil in his name is Mara.
Speaker 4 00:18:39 And uh, he in, in the Hindi and, and sank language and he, uh, languages and he, he lives in a kind of heaven of a pleasure heaven. Actually, he's more like a pimp than like a big grizzly death demon. Like the Satanist living in underworld. He doesn't live in underworld Yama. There is a God of death called Yama who lives in the underworld. But long time ago, Yama is tamed by Buddhas and the yamas actually helpful. I know that sounds counterintuitive, but that's, and that's, I might get to that today, but maybe not. Anyway, he meets Samara and then Mara tempts him with his last, you know, points of confusion says, who asked you to be a Buddha? Aren't you being very, egoistical saying, you're gonna say all being from suffering, you've rediscovered the ancient teaching of all Buddhas, the imortal teach the eternal teaching of Buddhas.
Speaker 4 00:19:35 You're gonna really liberate everyone and so on. And isn't that really very egoistical and who, who asked you? You know, how are you getting off to do that? And Buddha said, well, everyone asked me, actually, even you asking me <laugh> he said, and the reason I can is cuz I did so many things for you in past lives. And I remember it and I did everything for every other being, and I remember it and uh, therefore they automatically, when they even see me, they wanna open to their higher potential. It makes them realize it's possible subliminally at first. And then eventually they can quickly come to his realization and they can be just like me. I'm not gonna Lord it over them, but you put it doesn't mean I'm gonna Lord it over anybody. I'm going to help them become as happy as I am being a Budda means being totally happy.
Speaker 4 00:20:25 And having, adding to that personal happiness, the ability to help everyone else be totally happy. How about that? Isn't that fun. That's really fun. That's a possibility life can have. In other words, as I used to say as a child, not knowing what I was saying, life has happy in ending. It doesn't mean necessarily. It does actually mean the death of this life. In the sense that death is where the life you, you meet the life force more fully than the body that you have has become worn out or injured or crushed in an accident or something happened to it. And it can no longer embrace as much of that huge life force as, as it, as the life force sort of needs as it's so powerful. It's like, you're, you know, you have, they no longer have Aqua on to breathe underwater. You know, and you're in this vast ocean of bliss and you don't have the right kind of lung to inhale the bliss.
Speaker 4 00:21:30 So you leave that body looking for a better body, but if you leave it and you have accustomed yourself to structure deep structure of fear, hate anger, greed, confusion, you will not necessarily recognize what is a better body, a more open, vast, huge body. You won't recognize it. And you'll actually look for a more ed, more protected body and seemingly to a self-centered person, being something more protected has a big armor. It's like very fierce it's it's like very isolated from other things. So things can't bother it, very strong, whatever, you know, whatever you, whatever your predisposition would be to think you would, and you'd be safe or in some completely isolated, lonely place. But there isn't anybody else in anything else which then would lead you to a misery of loneliness, kind of hell of absolute loneliness or seemingly absolute loneliness. There's no absolute loneliness, but see me.
Speaker 4 00:22:33 So in a way, life has a happy ending and that's, and death is a useful thing. When you're in deep pain, when the body doesn't work, when someone's torturing you, death is a useful way of getting away from where your material body's captured in a bad material situation. So it has a happy ending. If we understood death, of course, we think of death as the absolute tragedy. And it is for human who has not fulfilled their human existence to their own satisfaction. Then they feel it's being cut short and that's really a tragedy for them. And that's a, but actually ultimate. That's a misunderstanding because if they've lived human life and learned enough in a human life to understand that openness, that openness, that love that patience, that receptivity, that generosity, all those things that connect us to everything at whatever degree we're capable, that's where joy lies.
Speaker 4 00:23:37 And therefore that's what we want when we ha in a moment of vastness, which is the moment of death. We want that vastness. We couldn't fear it. We shouldn't, we should give ourself to it. And the more generous we've been in life, the more able we are to do that. So we could then instead of fighting to keep a body that we can't, we give it away to life. And that's, that's the kind of grandma death where she's smiling blisfully and you feel it when you're in the room, those who are expert hospice workers know that that's a person who lived very generously and not paranoid and not, not viciously and, and, and narrow mindedly. Okay. So that's the way of using human life and someone who is living open-minded and they haven't used it to really open, to had the opportunity to open to more and more deep and powerful and beautiful things.
Speaker 4 00:24:32 Then death is seen as a tragedy, rightly because they haven't used their awesome human opportunity to the full. So don't think I'm preaching bud. Don't think Buddhism Buda taught us a death cult in any way. No, he taught us actually, there is no death. Really there's infant life is reality and it's all good. This is what he taught us. Okay. So therefore we must keep a human life where we could learn more about that. And we can critically undo more of our narrow-minded MIS knowing and become more and more open-minded as hugely and vastly as we can. If you can go right into the mandala, I don't know how to point to it screen. I dunno, I go right into the center of the mandala, which is the center, which is our own love, our own loving heart filled with love and totally glorious and joyful.
Speaker 4 00:25:30 That is the center of the, it's like a palace palace of divine love. It' right in the middle of our own heart. Don't have to go find Buddha or God or anybody else or Jesus. Jesus was pointing to that. You have that, that is in you. You be like me be like the Daisy in the field. You give, you know, be, be, uh, say, you know, do unto, unto others, you know, love your neighbor as much as you do. And that's then you're in your love palace in the center of your heart. It doesn't mean you don't exist and you're trampled and you dissolve your you're willing to give yourself. But when you're willing to give yourself, then you be what you are, becomes a gift to the universe. That's what Jesus thought. That's what Buddha told Jesus. Didn't have time to ha to add to the curriculum very much.
Speaker 4 00:26:23 And therefore that curriculum is being expanded now by Jew booze and crisp booze who are finding Buddha's expansions of the curriculum, nothing new. They remain devoted to the loving God, not the nasty mean one to the, to the loving Jesus. And yet they, they realized the loving Budha is their buddy. And they like him. And he likes them. They're all working together and they can be utterly faithful and use the methodologies given by the other ones and, you know, Jesus and the wonderful Jewish people of which Jesus chose to be one. He incarnated as one, they have a lot of useful things to help us with. Buddhist can learn a lot from them and they can learn a lot from Buddhist. That's where we're going on this planet, wonderful place. Okay. So then you have to, after doing all that, making a lot of people happy as the Buddha, in his case for 45 years old, you have to pick a culture where they're not gonna kill you for being happy <laugh> and, and ancient SIA in ancient URA Asia on this planet.
Speaker 4 00:27:40 That was India. You know, that was the, in this valley, that was the Ganges plane, you know? And, uh, and, uh, the, the Brara, you know, that was, but they were that a lot of, part of areas of that were ly and so forth, but those were those main rivers fed and the great Himalaya, you know, uh, lo water fed the, the agriculture of that area. So they were, it was very generous and very wealthy. It was like California. It's like Southern California of, uh, Southern, Northern all of California. Uh, they, in this valley was Eden. It was kind of Eden of Eurasia. So you pick a place like that. So they won't kill you for being happy. Like they don't mind. They're not that jealous of someone. Who's happy. <laugh> okay. As, as the Europeans did their mystics, as the, as the west Asians and the north Africans did their mystics cause of a harshness and the ity of their environments, the Dan area was good actually. And some areas in Turkey, but a lot of those Western areas were not that rich was their problem.
Speaker 4 00:28:56 Okay. So then you pick that so you can live a long life and then you teach for 45 years. And then at least in, in Myre world, I'm sure 800 years cuz people live very, very long in his world at his time in the, in the future. After we get past these difficulties of the, toward the end of the Shamo era and, um, which we will, don't worry. And then you stage a death, a per neana, a leaving of the body and you do it peacefully. And me meditatively. And you actually show those who are sensitive to the inner energy of a body. They perceive another, they can, they have the ability to perceive another's inner situation. They're like telepathic and clairvoyant. And so he demonstrated how he traveled in the cosmos with his mind and his subtle body while his co body and the human plane in the what's called the desire realm.
Speaker 4 00:30:02 It was, was, uh, just lying there, stopping to breathe. Uh, but that doesn't mean becoming nothing. Remember that means getting more vast, actually leaving the confinement and the restriction of a humanoid body that he, that he was demonstrating as, oh, actually already. He was more than his body. He was already everything as a living, but from the age of 35, which is how he was able to teach so effectively because you can really teach a student well, when you feel you are the student simultaneously <laugh>, but you don't interfere. You can't be the student's understanding, but you can see where the student misunderstands and then you can present to them, whatever it is that will help them expand their understanding. And you can do that really effectively when, you know, just where the, where the bottlenecks are, where the pinch points are in their thinking and their, in their neuronal structure, in their chakras, you know, their, their, their nerve flowers, nerve lotuses, you know, ganglia does sound kind of disorganized, but a Lotus or flower is nicer.
Speaker 4 00:31:13 Like the brain, it's like a flower, it's like a beautiful plant. And when you know where the problems are there, you can, you can be a great teacher to them. And he was for, and countless numbers of people. So then you leave because in leaving, you help people overcome the tendency that people who are not happy have of depending on someone who is happy for the good vibes and so terrible dependence on the Budha, the sort of new head of the new patriarch of the, of the saintly order of those who are already to some degree enlightened, who did depend, however, for the vastness of the happiness of Buddha on the personal presence of Buddha, cuz they still didn't fully realize their full Buddhahood, but they were enlightened enough to be able to depend very effectively and feel so happy being just around the Budha was some of them sort of extinguished themselves, that they lift their bodies, even though they didn't know how yet to leave their body and go into being infinite because they weren't buds yet.
Speaker 4 00:32:23 They hadn't really tried the path of compassion enough. And so they ended up in some divine plane of isolation, like a, something like a formless realm, close to close to a formless realm. And then they got stuck there for short, long, long time. And then some of them have, uh, waiting for another Buddha even to come back cause they haven't overcome that dependency. And so the patriarch of the order Mahaka he had to order those monks no more self ations and they didn't do it by pour gas on themselves and lighting a match. They just combusted. They just enhanced the fire element in themselves and just poof, they, they pulverized their, their human body started doing that because of thinking maybe they would pursue Budha to wherever he'd gone, still having some slightly holistic view of what Nirvana is instead of realizing that Nirvana is everything.
Speaker 4 00:33:30 When you, when you happily totally merge with it, when you totally realize it's true nature, it's freedom, nature and your freedom. That which means you can only realize reality's freedom nature. When you realize you are that reality and it's your freedom nature. That's the only way you can realize it. Right? Okay. So this is, I just rehearsed Buddha's body in a certain impressionistic way as an offering to you and to Buddha. And, uh, I, I, you get inspired to do it. You see the wonderful palace behind me, which is called we're kind of the five fold palace seeming to be, which has three buildings. The building of body is the outer one building of it has actually five buildings, but it looks like three. And the, the three are the body speech and mind, which are the three components of the continuum of every living being and even a Budha being who's beyond death is that is still, that's definitely living.
Speaker 4 00:34:36 That's a super living. That's an infinitely living being either finitely or live infinitely living, being, they have Bodi his speech of mind in their continuum in a way they're one thing, but they can be divided into three. And those are those three buildings. And then the center is the great bliss penthouse, which is a fifth, fourth palace, great bliss itself, which is where there's no difference between being in the penthouse and being everywhere. So it's not, it's it comforts and materialists in thinking that they're somehow at the summit of something, but actually they're in every atom of every mountain in every direction. <laugh>, that's what they surprisingly discover when they reach there. And then outside is the fifth building, which is presented like a kind of garden. And that is the garden of activities. That is the, that is the, the, the field of activities, field of action, of, of a Budha be, which is all loving, loving outreach to old, old life.
Speaker 4 00:35:45 And the circle where all the syllables in the circle represent 88 different, um, entities beings that a Budha that you become when you're a Budha. And they include like things like for who, especially designed humanoid designed by love, humanoid, not created out of nothing, but designed by love out of what already was there and was not being enjoyed by people. The special Budha Budha field as it's called. It has the 12 astrological houses, astronomical houses, you know, Leo Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, uh, you know, Sagitarius Pisces, right? All of them, it has 30 days of every month, every lunar month, it has sun and moon. It has all kinds of, of, uh, beings, gods, and angels and things. That's what those 88 represent. And then there, of course, another 700 or 600 inside the buildings, all of the da is and angels and, uh, all of their revenues and so forth are all in there.
Speaker 4 00:37:01 And that's the universe of the, of the, and all time is in there also. So although we all, we, people like me and I'm just assuming you, but some of you may already be Buddhas. In which case you don't mind me just including you in a general you, when we all have the we all on a day like this, we think about it. We decide, you know what? I'd really like to be Buddha a Buddha. I wanna be my own Buddha. I wanna be a Buddha for everyone else, which is in the most effectively loving and compassionate being to be of happy and happy and blissful being to help others find freedom from suffering and happiness and bliss. That's what I, if there's possible to become such a thing, I want to be that. And the minute we have that true determinate minute, we allow our mind to be open enough to embrace the possibility of that.
Speaker 4 00:37:57 In that minute, we are already there actually, because the sort of linear time where you always trapped in a present that you can never quite find because it has no duration. It now has no duration. You know, like a line, you know, you cross a line, but actually a line has no width. So you never really can cross it. You can go over some sort of threshold thin, uh, you know, parallelogram. <laugh> so something with, with thickness. And then when we, when you're in it, who's in it. And which part of you, which atom of you is the one that's in that line. In other words, even the fantasy of crossing a line is a fan fantasy. It's a concept in reality, there's no line in reality. There's no. Now there's only past and future flowing into each other. At first, it seems when we're trapped in an invisible now in an inexperienced now, and then when we are free from that, we're in infinite time as we were just as a perpetual and eternal in our blissful happiness, as we are everywhere in space, infinites infinite and simultaneously not in any point.
Speaker 4 00:39:14 And in every point free from concepts. In other words, concept, you could conceptually you can only be in a point or outside the point, right? And that's dualism. But when you're put you're beyond that. So you're, you're both in them and not in them and everywhere else and, and in them and everywhere else, you know, whatever you can say about it, you can make a story out of it. Okay? So the minute we wanna do that, we are everywhere in that. And this is a palace of time also. So that means we have opened and it's like we have opened because it's a concept to think Al be a being who's in Philly happy. And that's also a bunch of concepts. It's the opposite of how we feel actually, usually, but on the other hand, we, we have imagined the opposite of feeling trapped in an inadequate situation.
Speaker 4 00:40:09 So we've imagined a reality where everything is completely adequate to everyone. And that's the one that bud announced, he discovered. And that is the reality of us now. So we have opened a tiny door in the middle of our field of being in stream of being, we have opened a tiny door to Buda hood, but, and we are there in that door and that door in the inconceivable plane, we're already there. And in the conceivable one, we're not yet, but we can, but the conceivable, but the inconceivable one reaches into the conceivable one in such a way that we can plot the path and the map of how to get there in time. We can say, be here now, like the great Saint, the great American, you know, JBU Jew. Hi Jew Hibu call Hibu <laugh> Hindu. Crisp was because the Jews manifested as Jesus.
Speaker 4 00:41:15 So they were the first Christian was the Jew. So HIE J Chris boo, and the Muslims just wanted to be Jews. That's all they wanted to renew Jews against some local, local religion, pilgrimage business. <laugh> they want to meet the, the transcendental day that you can't have a image of cuz it's inconceivable. So they touch inconceivability. Everyone does. And we do. And by just imagining that on this day, we've opened that door in our heart and mine and therefore we're there. And it's like a brilliant day card. Actually people always put him down. We wanna be a holistic blah, blah, blah day card. But it was brilliant. He knew that his point X Y was only a concept, but it's a useful concept in managing where you're trapped in the conceptual world, understanding its reality. And that was part of enlightenment. So people in Buddhism who don't want to use the word enlightenment, cuz they think it's tainted by the materialist enlightenment of the 18th, 17th and 18th centuries.
Speaker 4 00:42:25 They should take it. Another thing. Think again, or as an apple phone says think different. Yes, it's an awakening, but it's an awakening to an enlightenment. It's not an awakening. Like you, you leave the world like, so the world is like asleep and then you wake up and you're not in the world. So you're gone. You're finished. The world is finished and you're in some psycho state of isolation. <laugh> that's not bud earth. No way. Nirvana is not a psychotic state. No Nirvana is right here. It's right now like the deer Matthew McConnell, he said the frontier of the cosmos is not Mars. It's planet earth is fixing, saving, loving first loving, then fixing then saving planet earth cuz we are PLA planet earth is her mother. We are in her womb. Her exquisitely designed womb, atmospheric womb and soil and food Redland food replete womb.
Speaker 4 00:43:37 So we should stop destroying food by trying to grab our neighbors. Mr. Putin. No, cut that out. Back out, go back out. Join the regular people again. Stop trying to be some kind of Imperial. Crystal fascist become a happy comedian. Go to comedy school study with Zelensky. If you felt you were genuinely repented, he might teach you <laugh> that's what you need. You don't need whatever weird chemical they're giving you for whatever disease you have. You need to do like that guy. I forgot his name here in America who laughed his way free of cancer and just swap George Carlin. Just have them play down there in the cellar of Kremlin, whatever deep bunker you are under your dash shot, whatever play all, you know, Chris rock, play him, imitating you and laugh your ass off. And you that tumor will just be completely embarrassed and ashamed and it will believe you're whatever it is, colon.
Speaker 4 00:44:53 And you'll be okay really. And your brain it'll pop out in your otherwise. It'll pop out in your brain and everywhere. You'll not be able to enjoy being the saving emperor. Holy the holy MoCo emperor. <laugh> forget about it. You, you know, you'd end up having a fight with Donald Trump who wants to be the holy Washingtonian emperor. You know, you put him up to it, but once he's there, he's not gonna want to cater to you. Believe me, just like you don't really consider him. Do you, so why should you trust him the way you do the way you spend so much money on his real estate? You know, collapses. <laugh> I, yeah, yeah. I so sorry to be political on this day, but you know what? Buddhi enlightenment was political. He immediately started a huge revolution in India. He said, okay, you know, fighting wars between city states, between Corella and, and KA us two and mat and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4 00:46:09 It is not fun. Being a male chauvinist and having a bunch of male chauvinist VA date and making animal sacrifices to them is not fun. The animals don't have fun. People don't have having a, you know, you know, when you're an agricultural thing with plenty of mangoes, huge agricultural thing, you don't need to eat meat much. So nonviolence is more fun. Leave the cows alone and, and let people, let women join the monastic or the, the, the, the mendicant order and let them become educated and enlightened and let your warriors out of their troop, fells and wars and let them become enlightened and let your merchant sons go discover enlightenment and the low cast geniuses, they can't just screen your latrines and so forth. You do that. And actually I'm gonna make a special trial place for you. And I want you, some of you to migrate to the north and I'm going, and there's a country called SHA and which we can hide from the ordinary people.
Speaker 4 00:47:20 And then I want you to be really happy up there. I know it'll take a long time, maybe 30 set, 30 centuries, but I don't care how long that's part of my plan for this planet. And it's political. It's very political meaning it's taking the polls, which were the city states in which Buda was born. And there were 16 of them vying for supremacy. And eventually the state of Marda became the empire, uh, pat PRA and so forth. And that's, what's really underlying. What's called the up now, not only the state of Bihar, but Patna and luck now. And so on, but up the sort of Heartland can get it plain Heartland. And, uh, and that became one of the city states dominated the other ones. They killed people. It was horrible when Budha died and did his pioneer honor won the not Marda guy who had killed his parents actually in the, in the, in the, the C ethic of just grab what you want whenever you want it.
Speaker 4 00:48:24 And he was crucifying people up and down the road. So the king, so they stopped temporarily after he passed away and went to have a war over who would honor his relics more. And so then the, the monks divided the relics and gave it to eight contenders. At that point was Margaret. I hadn't conquered everybody all 16 of them. So Budo Seing to be choosing not to be a king choosing, not to enforce the Dharma. Uh, hi, his version of the DMA, the Dharma of freedom, the Dharma of happiness, because he then there would, people would fight him and they'd be, it would not make people happy. So he didn't associate it with a particular kingdom of the 16 kingdoms. He traveled through all of them and taught everyone. He didn't associate it with theat cast, which is the highest one at that time or the Brahman cast, which were there's highest servants.
Speaker 4 00:49:19 He didn't associate it with males. He accepted females. He fussed about it because he knew it would be hard to get the males to let go of their slaves. The females notice how hard the time the me too is having on the planet, but he did admit them. And they were many who are enlightened and deeply grateful. And they have been ever since ever his teaching has spread. And here in America, you women, teachers Lama, Suri, and you then ROCI this and ROCI that you great women, you are really coming to the fore and, and Lama Somo. Yes. There's a Lama Somo there. Yes. Lama Somo. I usually am not remembering names. Well at 81, my dear friends at green Gulch and at the, and the UC and at SF CC SFCC, and, uh, all lots of them all over the country in Rochester, et cetera, women, that's what they are.
Speaker 4 00:50:18 They can be Buddhist and they they're going to be, they actually have a head start. The men are really gonna freak when the women really go for it because they already put <inaudible>. So they wouldn't have be born as women in a planet where women are oppressed. They were reborn there to undo that. And a bud, the planet itself is a woman who got tired of making supper and therefore decided she would become a giant food grower and namely a planet that feeds billions of people, if not abused. And of course we are abusing her. Look at the idiot, the idiot Kremlin guy, the bad comedian Putin, he, the lesser comedian Putin, just go in order to grab and Rob Ukraine of its wonderful food. He's destroying all the food. It's putting people who depend on it all over the world into star. Really.
Speaker 4 00:51:24 It's just so sad, but what's good about the modern thing is everybody knows everything. We can all see it everywhere. And because bad people can use that openness to brainwashers and there are too many of us are brainwashed, but we also can see and know everything. And even where brainwash our subconscious will know our subliminal awareness will know, and we know what people are doing and therefore they will not be getting away with these things that they did for thousands of years. They cannot. No, no, no. You will have to let go of your Imperial positions. You communist supposed pseudo communist, ah, it's nothing socialist about a dictatorship, completely fake lie. There's no socialist with a dictatorship characteristics. That's it's, it's a complete, it's a contradiction. That is unreconcilable only by the evaporation of the dictatorship, the Withing of the dictatorship or the voluntary, generous self transcending of the dictatorship, which means like go the great Gobi chop and the lesser, but also good Yeltsin.
Speaker 4 00:52:31 Just give the power to the people, become a Mar multi-party system. Give to democracy, give to regionalization, give into local people, just controlling their local areas. Stop these leftover empires. That's what it calls for. That's what will make a happy planet when the people who live nearby and avoid cutting down the trees, they have depend on nearby them. Bravo for the Parisians. They're not allowing some morons to cut down the trees around the Eiffel tower, Bravo that's local management. That's what we need. Okay. So anyway, lots of love to everyone. Sorry for renting and raving. Thank you, Budha. Thank you. My train for being with me here and, uh, let every day be enlightenment day. Actually this year in China and Sri Lanka and other Buddhist countries, so called Buddhist countries, there were, they, they celebrated this enlightenment day a month earlier because the Tibetan system coming from India and from Shala <laugh> Kala chakra ha Cora astronomy because of the lunar calendar every year, every three years or so, there's a 13th month in order to fit the lunar calendar with the solar calendar because the solar calendar was five days, five, six days longer than the lunar calendar, which is exactly 360 and 365, 6, and a few and some hours a minute.
Speaker 4 00:54:13 And so you have to adjust for that every three or four years.
Speaker 4 00:54:19 So we're doing it uniquely to bed is upholding the ancient Indian and the Shian way of measuring time. And we are celebrating in this full moon today. And thanks for being dedicate the merit of listening to me, if you managed it and managed to stay awake <laugh> and, uh, by the way, if you live in India, don't listen to this till later in the day, because you're gonna hear his holiness finishing a marvelous teaching online from Dala. If you go to the.com, you can find it. And he did it yesterday too. And if you're in the east coast, you have to do it on the 12th and 13th, rather than the 13th and 14th because you and the us, because it's a mid middle of the night and then in Europe, and here, there, there are different times, but you can find that all out on do lama.com, giving a wonderful teaching and a magical blessing actually of the bud sat of infinite compassion, who, who manifest infinite embodiments and all the great teachers of all the great teachings and the world, whether they call themselves Buddhi or not, doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 00:55:35 That is who that being is. And it's those beings are, let's say there's no one big, no one is a big shadow. The other one, cuz they're there with the other being this point. So they're, they're only as big as the beings they're serving actually all these different, great leaders and teachers. Okay. So Donald Lamas a fully sincere a humanist and I try to be all right. So we dedicate the merit to everyone becoming a Buddha and themselves. She, he, it the non-binary as well, all of them LGBTQ plus plus plus plus may they all become perfect blissful, BLIS, freedom, indivisible Buddhas, and three bodied, reality body be attitude, body emanation, serving body. May they do that? Okay. Thank you very much. All the best.
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