Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 Welcome to my Bob Thurman podcast. I'm so grateful. Some good friends enabled me to present them to you. If you enjoy them and find them useful, please think of becoming a member of Tibet house us to help preserve Tibetan culture. Tibet house is the Dal Lamas cultural center in America. All best wishes. Have a great day.
Speaker 2 00:00:27 This is episode 25 titled revealing your rainbow body.
Speaker 0 00:00:34 Okay, can I, can I say one thing? Yes, please. Uh, go for Gucci for tantras. Why is it? Fortres it could be for Sutra, you know, cuz they're text, right? And Buddhi have Sutra now there's one Lama. The tu I don't, you probably never met him. He was called tu. Yes. Yes. From, he was Abbot of URA monastery. He passed away in the eighties. He has a reincarnation who now in Bel and Los link and he wants to answer the question. Somebody said, what is tantra? And he it's the best answer I ever heard somebody say what the word, what tantra is, which literally gall said, rightly rah means lineage or continuation in that sense, it's sort of the root meaning of the word time God. But what, what he said was he said, well, you know, in the basic practice of Buddhism, the whole purpose is to destroy the world, built out of ignorance, the world of suffering. So what wisdom does is it sees through being trapped, trapped, I'm making a joke trapped.
Speaker 0 00:01:47 It's escaped from being trapped in the world of ignorance. But then when you escape from the world of ignorance and you're trapped and you're no longer trapped and you're free, then there's the question of rebuilding a world with wisdom and a world made of wisdom like rainbow world wisdom, world rebuilding that world. And that's what Tundra means. So the, the real meaning of continuum or linear lineage or continuation is continuing the world. Now a beautiful world, a world built out of wisdom, which means the realization of connection, love, and compassion, love, and compassion is not just a sentiment. It comes out of wisdom of knowing that you're connected to other persons. And, and so, so therefore the four S are what Buddha Buddha's continuing after enlightenment. And this is the very challenging thing for us in the west, where we are taught that the world doesn't work out.
Speaker 0 00:02:50 The world sucks. Actually, we're all depressed because we are taught that the world sucks in the religious people in the old days. It sucked, but later you'll be okay in heaven. You know, if you're a good boy, you know, and Jesus or Budha or Moha or Mohamed or Moses, or God will take you in heaven, but this world is just gonna suck. That's it? There's no other way out of it. And uh, in India, they also have that idea and Budha was rebelled against that idea because he saw that the world actually, the reality of the world is fine. It's perfect. It's freedom. It's connection. It's the interconnection of everyone. It's happiness. Nirvana means happiness. He saw that that's the reality of the world. He called it DMA the word Dharma before Buddha meant something like law, religion, something that holds you in a pattern holds you like traps you in a pattern where you compare to live or something like that.
Speaker 0 00:03:49 But Buddha meant said, Dharma means reality holds you in freedom from suffering. He flipped the meaning into the opposite, meaning where it holds you in freedom. So reality holds you in freedom. So the whole, the reason that the medical teaching is so effective is that it's born of Buddhas, enlightenment in the root tantra, Buddha in different parts of the Buddha's mind, different wisdoms are talking to himself. He asks himself question. He teaches about the body, the mind, cetera, cetera, all this kind of thing. So in, in an empowerment entering the tongue job, empowerment means connecting to a vision of the world of someone who understands it as perfectly, okay, live or die up or down, it'll be okay, you know, coma or awake or sleep. It'll be okay. Ultimately it, you, you can make it not okay by fighting with everything. And by feeling frightened and being all kind of like, it's all won't work.
Speaker 0 00:04:55 And how can I get out of here and all this kind of thing. But if you take refuge in DMA with meaning reality itself on the assurance of the teacher who taught that reality is fine. If you open yourself to it and the community of people who've been living like that, like you talk like again, like people like that. So then there's a continuation. You then enter that kind of connection to that continuation. And that's what Tundra means. It doesn't mean this or that or something secret necessarily in, in the ancient time. Or sometimes it was kept a little bit secret because the people who want to keep people trapped in a version of life where they're expected to be miserable. And therefore, if they are gonna get out of that misery, they need these authorities. They need these bosses. They have to obey these bosses. So they don't like someone saying, it's fine, whatever, you know, without you boss it's okay. So they don't like that. They don't want people to feel that the reality is freedom rather than the reality is being bossed around by them. So they kept it secret from that kind of people, because then they, otherwise they would punish someone who, who was too happy as you all know in America. Yeah. For example, if you're really happy, it's something illegal.
Speaker 1 00:06:20 Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:06:22 Right. We, we had a program like that. If you know, your roommate comes home, your wife, your husband, your friend, your son even comes home and says, dad, I'm just so happy. No reason at all, but I'm just completely happy. Is dad happy? No, dad is worried. What happened? <laugh> did you drink? Did you take a drunk? Are you freaked out? Are you having a psychotic episode? <laugh> what's wrong with you? That's what we think. Yeah. So the, for that, it was sort of a little bit secret. You know, tantra had this tendency of hearing about esoteric, you know, secret, because it just goes against the grain of the, of our backward world, where we are supposed, you know, where we are, think where we are taught to expect to be miserable. And therefore we feel safe when we are. And if we ever feel really happy, we think something's gonna go wrong.
Speaker 0 00:07:09 And then we get nervous, you know, a weird program like that. So this you talking, you can take the hard drop or hard essence or hard teaching of the, the great turquoise roof. Rainbow body guy is really a wonderful privilege. And therefore I bug Ello and that's not promoting himself to do this, but I requested him very earnestly to do this. Even if I'm not ready, quiet. And I don't, I am not prepared well enough. And maybe I shouldn't do even, but it's just to connect to this tradition and to connect mend LA what mend LA represents as an effort in the world is polluted world to try to like bring people back to nature as you put it, you know? But, and I remember they say nature red in tooth and claw, like get away. That's why they're all getting away from nature because nature is so dangerous and horrible, right?
Speaker 0 00:07:59 Meanwhile, we have like a jungle in our stomachs <laugh> and if, and if it's not functioning, lushly that jungle of our microbiome, we're gonna be really in trouble. You know, we depend upon the nature in our gut, right? Billions of, of, of genes and animals in our gut. So, so that's the thing. And it's imagine if anybody claimed today, you went down to Mount Sinai hospital or Beth Israel hospital, or the national Institute of health, whatever you say, oh, somebody fully understood everything about how the body and mind works life and death and rebirth. And it's totally understood. Matter of just learning about it and it worked fine. What would they do? They would give you some chemical to calm you down because you'd be considered demented. And they, they thrive on the idea that nobody will ever find out. So, but they can learn a little more and therefore give them a big grant and then send them off to do some research.
Speaker 0 00:09:02 Even though the principle is that they'll never find out what it's all about. And then actually to show that it's really important, what they're doing, they sacrifice animals, like just like an ancient priest, you know, has their animal sacrifice. You know, they don't sacrifice, they're sacrificing up a storm of animal. Oh. And to show that it's really important, they can take life. You know, that really shows how sad it is. You know, frankly, I think I look PETA. I like Petta. They try to stop them from doing all of that sort of thing. They don't, you know, they don't really they're human beings. It's already understood. You don't have to do that. You just, just eat some good food, just laugh, breathe, have your shoulder blades, like the Eagle wings, like Gayla says, breathe, selves, breathe. And then, and then if, if you're gonna get, if you get a coma, know how to do power and then do sole ejection press the ejection seat up and you caught by AAB the Chi, the Chinese have wonderful paintings of the pure land and the pure land.
Speaker 0 00:10:09 I mean the particular one that's very famous in Buddhism. The Western paradise called Sika. The blisful land ska means the spa here is called Maha Suka. Great bliss, spa ska means BLI and, uh, ska VA you know, possessing BLIS where AABA, the Buddha boundless light is particularly, or is, or I'm retire boundless life. But he has two big BOS, one big strong one and one compassionate one. I look at Ishvara and they have these great paintings. And Avalo Ishvara has in his hand, big hand, he has a Lotus, but he's like Yogi Barra. He's like a catcher in a baseball game. And then they show paintings of streams, of souls, of beings that have died on earth. And, and I would look at this as far as like a catcher MI, and he's gonna catch them on the Lotus. You know, he's gonna catch that soul and then put it in the pure land.
Speaker 0 00:11:02 Right? So catching you, you know, like that, it's really sweet. They have this in these caves in China, everywhere. And, uh, and the Chinese Confucian ministers in ancient time, they wrote Memorial to the emperor. And they said, you Mr. Emperor, your majesty, this pure land Buddhist view of a so cavity of the universe under the power of compassion is very dangerous. When those farmers they go and they see in the cave painting the beautiful pallets of Amit Tabba and his beautiful golden party with the rainbow LIS. And now the Lotus is everybody sitting on Lotus is in these pure land when they come back out and they go downtown and, and they're to the market and they look at your palace, it'll look like a rat check, and they're not gonna work for you all day and feel dedicated, devoted to you. So you better keep those Buddhist out of here telling them that, telling everybody that life is alright, and there's this blissful, blissful world, emperor of life, you know, of the infinite life.
Speaker 0 00:12:06 You know, they really tried to warn it, warn those emperors. Don't let them in here. Cause it's just two rainbow bodies. Every peasant can have rainbow body. They're not gonna bend over and plant rice all day long from your field, your majesty. So that's, we're still in that sort of situation. So this is where it's very lucky in marvels to have Gela here and to receive, even though we might not fully be ready to understand and be able to do everything, to get a connection to the tradition growing out of the vision of the wonderousness and beauty of nature in life against our pre preconception. That is a mess, right. Is that okay, GA? Yes. Is that right? And what you should do? Oh, how many you should do. So you want me to say more? Okay. So, so, um, but anyway, so that, so that's the Tre, you know, so it's sort of, you, you could say Tre can mean technological continuum based on wisdom.
Speaker 0 00:13:07 And then, you know, gall mentioned that this empowerment thing is page 80 81, which is very good because what it is, is it, for example, there are the five poisons, not just three, but although two of them are kind of combinations. So you have ignorance, delusion or confusion, you know, you have desire lost and attachment in greed and you have anger and hatred, and then you have pride and you have jealousy, which are kind of connected with the different ones, you know, sort of mixture like desire and anger. Jealousy is sort of a mixture of desire and anger and pride is ignorance. You know, kind of pride of ordinariness that like I'm so great. Even my ordinary itself is great, even without being enlightened, kind of that kind of wrong pride. Now those are however are energies in the world and they're sort of bad, right?
Speaker 0 00:14:00 They're supposed to be bad in the regular Buddhism. When you get started, you think of them as traps and you learn to release yourself from them. You replace ignorance with wisdom, you replace desire with detachment, you replace anger with, with, um, love you or tolerance, and then love you replace pride with humility. You replace jealousy with also love and so on. And, and you kind of sort of subdue them so they don't drive you. But then when you get sort of calm about them and then you get connected to this idea of that reality is all good. You know, Samantha, they call it all universally good. You then take those energies and you turn them into wisdoms. So ignorance becomes mirror wisdom. That's something very, very beautiful and brilliant. For example, you know, when I see the floor, the floor seems to me to have intrinsic objectivity.
Speaker 0 00:15:04 It's like a thing in itself out there. Right? And I, my perception of it seems to me to be sort of an absolutely correcting the word floor, my concept of floor sort of goes and bounces off the absolute substantiality of the floor. And, uh, and I'm completely different from the floor and not connected to it in a way, well, when I walk on it, I am, but, but it's something totally different from me, right? E right. Subject object, both are kind of absolute difference, right? That's a, then that's, that's what ignorance is because actually the floor, you know, and even in scientists would tell you, it looks like a solid floor, but it's actually molecules. Atoms. The atom itself is mostly emptiness. There's a nucleus in there and electrons spitting around. Then if you throw the, if you throw one of the boards here into one of those electronic accelerators, it will dissolve and completely disappear.
Speaker 0 00:15:58 And although some people in France will jump up and down and say, they found a Higgs bow on, and the Higgs bows on is why the thing is solid. They'll try to pretend that. But then, then me said, well, we don't really know, and we gotta do some more research. So give us another 20 billion to make a bigger electron saying, and then maybe we'll find dark energy and dark matter, which we can't see. And we don't know where it is, but it's 97% of the universe. So, so our ignorance sees it in this as if it was absolutely just a floor and my subject. I'm a person who's admitted different from a floor, but the fact that I see it, even seeing it wrongly and I feel about myself, like I'm an absolute thing of my mind. That's apart from it wrongly, that mirrors to me, my connection to it because I'm seeing it and even mistaking it for its true nature, not seeing it in relativity.
Speaker 0 00:16:53 So even our ignorant perception of the self and of the world mirrors our ultimate interconnectedness to it. If you follow me and that's called mirror wisdom and in a way the world is in a state of mirror wisdom, I think because, you know, people thought nature was just out there and they could abuse it and throw crap in it and misuse it and you go mine it and pollute it and do everything. And what's happening now is, you know, the power of the technology of the human cleverness magnified in this way is such that nature is like rebelling and a human being is becoming responsible for shaping nature, which is a complete startling idea that just happened to people on mass, but under that. But, but, and the, and you talking to that, but now on mass, people are learning that, that, you know, what you put in comes out, you're connected to it, it, you are nature, so you can't destroy it or you'll destroy yourself.
Speaker 0 00:17:49 So that's mirroring the reality of interconnection actually. And, uh, for example, the Pope in his Lato sea has recent and cyclical about the environment he's going on on about interconnection. Whereas Christian theology is well known that ultimately, you know, God is separate, absolute, you know, apart from everything and, and, you know, makes it can makes it out of nothing. And the universe is nothing except God and all this kind of thing. So there's actually a big disconnection in the theology usually, but he's totally broken out of that, which is, what's so amazing about him actually.
Speaker 0 00:18:25 So ignorance becomes ignorance itself, mirrors wisdom. So it, because it's called the mirror like wisdom, then desire, uh, you know, or lust becomes discriminating wisdom or develop community user translated nicely. I think it's individuating wisdom. So it's a Ruby color. You know, the mirror wisdom is a white diamond type color. And the Ruby color is this like desire becomes like a red Ruby energy and it becomes, and it's, it's, it's seeing the beauty of things and seeing them in their specific specificity, you know, discriminating between this and that and the other. And that becomes a desire becomes that or individuating wisdom and anger. Well, I did that last, then pride becomes, uh, Toad's golden color and it becomes the wisdom of equality and jealousy. This is a really good one, which is green. Like the green eye monster is an interesting, you know, in the west, they call it green eye monster when you're jealous.
Speaker 0 00:19:30 So jealousy is a green color. And then that becomes all accomplishing wisdom because jealousy is where you feel separate from another person's happiness. So you resent their happiness and you feel why isn't it my happiness, right, right. When your friend comes home and they're really happy for no reason. And you're really worried what happened to them and what did they do? And there's something going wrong with them and this and that. And finally, if they convince you that it's perfectly right, they just naturally just do feel happy for no particular reason it's welling up out of their hearts. Then the last thing that we feel when now is, well, what about me? Why don't I feel like that, which is the kind of jealousy, the begrudging of something. And, and, but, but when you overcome that anything is possible, then you are really living interconnectedness.
Speaker 0 00:20:18 Other beings, happiness is your happiness. People can really work together. Minds can connect and do things together. And therefore there's nothing you, miracles can happen. So that's called the all accomplishing or the wonder working wisdom. And the final one is hatred. Anger, and anger is like destructive, you know, wants to just destroy things. But anger actually is connected to bio in the liver. It's also connected to intelligence, critical inte wants to analyze things, take them apart to find out how they work and how they tick. So it's connected with critical analytical intelligence and what, and therefore anger about the world of entrapment and the world of insufficiency and the world of misery of self and other looks to see why is it like that? And analyzes everything. And when it does everything dissolves under critical analysis, if you've deeply analyzed, whatever it is down to the molecule and the sub atomic energy and the wave particle thing, you know, the quantum people have reached there, finally, whatever reach there in its mind, thousands of years ago.
Speaker 0 00:21:26 And what happens is you come up with ultimate reality, perfection wisdom, because everything you analyze disappears. And then, but then the disappearance disappears, cuz that's not a thing. Apart from you, a disappearance, you can't dis disappear, disappear to disappearance. So when disappearance disappears, you are there as everything, it's, it is everything, you know, nothing void freedom does not impede the existence of all kind of interrelated things. But when you have seen it disappear in a way where it's not, it's not substantially, like it seemed to be as if everything is totally different from everything else, you then have a feeling of oneness with all of it within again, seeing some sort of differentiation. But now it's a new way of seeing that differentiation where everything is perfect. So the idea of ultimate reality, perfection wisdom is almost that's the most, the highest and most powerful wisdom.
Speaker 0 00:22:23 So in unexcelled, yoga, tantra, yoga, tantra, unex excelled, yoga, tantra, unpassable yoga tantra, the blue, deep blue energy of the, of the seeing through everything. And the perfection of everything is actually, which is the color of medicine. Buddha that is the color of Sapphire color is the color of the, of the, um, anger transmuted into ultimate reality, perfection, anger, hatred. So then even all seemingly previously seemingly negative things seem totally positive. And that of course is a weird thing just to talk about what is the Buddhas state, you know, and this is really important. And Tibetans particularly kept us alive. The what's called non-dualism from, from the great masters of India. The Lama likes to say, he's not the member of this or that Tibetan sect. He is the heir of the 17 great masters or pundits of, of Nalanda university. The great monastic university in India.
Speaker 0 00:23:27 There were many of them, but the most famous one was Nalanda. People came from all over the world to attend its classes and teachings. And he always says that, and that is this what I'm trying to say is this a lot of mystical and spiritual things, people project from their sense of separate self, you know, the idea that there's an absolute self in there, that's apart from all of this. And it's a real problem, why I'm here, involved in this. So a lot of these sort of mystic states and mystic self oblations, even the dualistic form of Buddhism is still a kind of self-centered thing where it's all one, that's what I call the cheap oneness. It's all one. And it all disappeared into the one and I'm all alone and I'm everything, but actually I'm not even here. So nobody's here where it's all one, it's easy to be one because there's nobody here.
Speaker 0 00:24:21 So it's a great space and I'm not there. And neither are you. So we don't have to worry about a thing. It's like this escapist idea of almost like an ultimate psychotic experience actually disappearing as if you, as if that was a state separate from having previously been there as a, as a relational being. But then the, the Tibetans, their intelligence is so great. Their understanding of the Buddhas teaching is so fantastic that obviously that state of what's called space like equi poise, Samati where everything seems to disappear. Ultimate reality. Perfection is that all like unpleasant things disappear. But then the last thing to disappear is the state of disappearance. When the state of disappearance disappears, what's left everything. But now you're, it's both all the same different bunch of things. And you're one with the whole thing. It's all you. So imagine what a weird state that must be.
Speaker 0 00:25:27 But that's very important when Buddha attains blissful freedom, he must perceive all other beings as indivisible from that blissful freedom, or he would be abandoning them. If you follow me, which would break his vow as the bud, I won't obtain Nirvana until all beings are free of suffering. So believe it or not, Buda 2,500 years ago saw everyone in the world, including us in the future because they see all space and time is completely permeated by this oneness. It's not just a spatial oneness. It's a temporal oneness as well, this realization. And so Shaham Munib bud is right here with us and Shaham Munib bud sees us as made out of that bliss, just a form, an individuated discriminating wisdom, perceived form in a sea of bliss. And then the complexity comes where he's also aware that we still don't see ourselves like that. So then, and he's frustrated, but is like a frustrated mother who can't just hug the child into feeling okay, because the child, if you give that child, the big hug again, will get all mad.
Speaker 0 00:26:47 You know, if you get, try to, if you go hug a paranoid paranoia, they'll think you're trying to smother them and they'll resist even more and get more freaked out. The only way is by teaching them by getting them or in some way, teaching or making a joke or opening the door for them or whatever it is in whatever form it is, getting them to open their own mind and heart to their own reality. Cause only you can understand your own reality. No one else can understand it for you. They can give you all reasons. Teachings experiences, hints could teach you to breathe, give you nutmeg to sleep and, uh, and chill it to wake up <laugh> but you have to do it yourself. So then that's the compassion universal compassion. That's how that wisdom becomes a compassion. So the enlightenment is this complex state of ultimate reality perfection.
Speaker 0 00:27:44 And yet the discriminating Ruby wisdom, the rainbow Ruby wisdom of seeing how the other being is like managed to take themselves as a bunch of mental, physical, verbal bliss, and turn themselves into a theater of dissatisfaction, a theater of feeling isolated and alienated and separated and not being, not feeling they're part of an O they are just a drop in an ocean of bliss. And then that compassion then makes the Budha teach. And actually there's a very extravagant thing that, that the Buddhist have, which makes them, which is really strange where they say that when you feel like that, when you have that realization, you can be many being simultaneously. You can be, I love the matrix. You see the matrix movie, did you all see all of them? Or you got tired of all the shooting, which is very adolescent, which is in it.
Speaker 0 00:28:38 But if you saw all of theirs, we're seeing nevertheless in spite of all that silly shooting, because later on, right, he multiplies himself in many bodies, right? The matrix guy does because he knows how the structure of it works at the same time as he's an individual being in it. He also, he could be many. Then even the bad guy learns that. Right? And then the two of them are multiply, struggling with each other. And how does he defeat the bad guy? The one thing the bad guy can't do is the bad guy. Can't be him. Whereas he can be the bad guy. So when the bad guy puts his fist in his chest to make the Neo into another reflection of himself, instead he turns into Neil, he becomes a better guy. I can't explain it, but it was brilliant. I love the Wacho brothers are Boza buzz.
Speaker 0 00:29:25 They're totally great. So what's next brother and sister now, actually one of them is his sister that she had a sex change. Oh, the Wacho brothers now there's one as her sister. Oh, okay. <laugh> her name is Lana. So, so that's, that's this, this thing where all, even anything bad becomes good is transmuted by wisdom into goodness. So everything is good. Yeah. And that, on that basis, that, that, that is done. That wisdom doesn't is the same, actually, as the compassion for others still feeling that it's bad, it doesn't abandon them into saying, well, I see you as cool. If you don't tough luck, which some there's some sort of mystical, not so-called non-dualism that are like that, but this, this is not like that. I see you as perfectly good. And I'm with you until you, you come into seeing it yourself, completely with you all the time.
Speaker 0 00:30:24 And that's what Kala chakra is when bud Buddha's manifestation as Kala chakra, who is called time wheel, but wheel means machine. Like we say about a car, you know, nice wheels. You know, that means your machine. So time machine, but not a machine going around in time. Like time was a, an abstract medium, but time itself becomes a machine meaning an evolutionary machine and the Budha shapes your evolutionary destiny. So you can reach your own understanding in an optimal best possible way is what it symbolizes college soccer. It symbolizes, but as vow who never abandoned other beings in suffering, but to stay with them all the time. So anyway, but that's a big shock to us. You know, it is a big shock. The idea that a, someone does fully understand the world, life, death, absolute, relative, whatever it is that they taught us how to do it and that we can understand it ourselves.
Speaker 0 00:31:20 And then on top of that, we have to, we cannot graduate into, into our own reality of bliss unless we understand it. And we can't believing in it is helpful. Can be at some stage helpful, but even it can be turned wrong. Just mere belief with no reason. Finally, you have to under experience and understand, and you won't experience it without understanding it. So every and everyone can. And if we don't have time in this life, we can do it another life. Once we connect to the stream, leading there in a way leading there means leading here, you know, cuz we are already here actually. But, but when we feel we're not, then we have to go somewhere. We feel like we're going somewhere else.
Speaker 0 00:32:07 Okay. I talked or do more minutes. Mm-hmm <affirmative> almost <laugh> any question it's amazing. Isn't it? That there could be such a being it's like I called enlightenment the state of the ultimate cognitive dissonance tolerance, tolerance of cognitive dissonance, where you're sort of everything is BLIS. And yet you're specifically and minutely aware of every single little bit that others are still suffering, totally aware of that. And completely compassionately committed to turning it to bliss in the only way you can, which is to help them do it because you can't force them to do that. And you know, there's one thing where's evidence, even in Teva, Buddhism who they don't like this, they go, oh, come on. No Nirvana's out there. We're leaving bud left. Here's having para Nirvana behind me. That means final Nirvana. They translate paris'ry as final, which is a mistranslation potty doesn't mean final.
Speaker 0 00:33:00 He means total doesn't mean final putty. There always words for final in Sanskrit, but it's not petty. Potty means total. And they say that's Parvan he left town. There's no bud around. Like, we just have to do our best. That's what terrible lot of people will tell you. So they don't necessarily get this. But um, but on the other hand, when they sort of, when they do disappear, they have their disappearing experience. Then unfortunately they reappear because anything that is a new understanding, you go to a different place. That's only a relational experience that cannot be the absolute. The absolute is just realizing where you've always been there. Can there be no change about it? And so we have to have always been there if it's here, you know, and it's here, but there was something else I wanted to say about, but I lost track of it. I fell off into the something, something else I wanted to say about him, which was good, but we'll have to wait until I come. It finds me again, questions.
Speaker 0 00:34:10 Oh yeah. It's no, it's on a simple level that we, you know, that, that in that case we can then feel a kind of confidence and it less, it can lessen our anxiety. And in a way it's a kind of refuge that somehow reality is filled with the good and you know, Voltaire. Remember he ridiculed in his book, Condi, you know, the, the, the Christians, the theistic attempt to sort of reassure people that ultimately God will take care of it. And they'll be right if they behave themselves. Of course, there's that silly thing about eternal damnation, which is just completely senseless. And, uh, and the Buddha would consider the idea that a loving God would, would save eternal dation for anybody to be a really rude idea about God. You know, if he's omnipotent and he's loving, like how can anybody, even the worst person cannot possibly suffer internally.
Speaker 0 00:35:09 That's ridiculous, totally stupid. You know, it's even, it's a horrible model for bad policing and a nasty justice system with too many people in jail it's really bad. And, uh, but, but for us, it's a shock. The idea that we really, we could be alright, it takes away a certain excuse. Then it's only up to us to learn more about ourselves in the world. Even little by little. Oh yeah. And I was gonna say, oh, I know in the Teva, yes. When Buddha was under the tree, everybody knows the story before attaining enlightenment it's in every version before he realizes Nirvana, which they call the freedom from contamination, final freedom from contamination. He remembers infinite previous lives of himself. He remembers his beginning list previous lives. And then he becomes aware of all other beings, infinite previous lives. So he has those two realizations, his own and others.
Speaker 0 00:36:07 And then he attains Nirvana. Now what's so fascinating about that is why don't we remember all our infinite previous lives. We experienced them. But why don't you remember how you felt when you burned yourself in the kitchen, when you broke your ankle, when you, because it is painful, you don't wanna remember it. So the fact that he developed the ability to remember infinite lives and deaths means that he realized he'd always been in Nirvana and all of it was a play of BLIS. So he revised his memory so that he wasn't in agony, even when he was in hell, because even the hell was his own stupidity of contorting himself into some sense of isolation and alienation and separation in some extreme manner. But the whole time he was never apart from Nirvana. And when he can realize when he knows that, then he's fearlessly remembers without there's no, cuz there's in a way he, that counteracts the pain.
Speaker 0 00:37:09 He realized he was in pain then, but he's no longer in pain now when he remembers it. Right. And then he's able to see all other beings pain that same way. So in a way, those two realizations, although they don't put it like that in Tebo, cuz they're not emphasizing universal compassion, you know, Maha, temple. But actually if you remembered infinite previous lives and everybody else's infinite previous lives, we've been going at a baby, infinite numbers of times. You've been my mom. I've been your mom. We've been, we've been enemies too. You know? So we are completely entangled. We have been from beginning Listly and we remain completely entangled. So that's a precursor to realizing Bud's realization that he is every being, he, she, it, whatever, whatever it is, it's it is every being. Do you follow me? That's what that is. So that shows precisely that this Nirvana is not a separation of any kind.
Speaker 0 00:38:06 It is, it is an expansion to embrace everything. Like you identify with your child at when it's at the breast, you know, when it first comes out, you feel it is you, you know, of course, I guess when it's in there, unless it kicks too much, you identify with it. Then when you're in love, you identify with the beloved people in a team can identify with the whole team or buddies in war, identify with the people in the platoon. So that human ability shows how close we are to bud hood, where we can identify completely and feel. We are the other, even in a family, you're in the kitchen and somebody's shopping onions and you're like washing something and then they cut themselves and they go, right. Everybody in the whole room goes ha like that. Even though only one person actually had the nerve hit, you know? And so the budh like feels like that of all beings is able to cause he sees all of that. Even the seemingly painful thing as a bliss, he feels that at the same time as a bliss at the same time, he where they don't feel that way. So his compassion unfolds them as best he can to lead them toward where they become also free of that without leaving the world without abandoning anybody.
Speaker 0 00:39:20 So therefore keeping his body, the border at the vow, right? The border of vow is I will not seek a separate piece for myself. We will all find it together type of thing. Right. But then some people take time. Like you can't take a, a flower seed, put it in the ground, soil, fertilize, everything. Then just take the top of the seed and pull it into a Rose Bush. You destroy the seed, you know? So things have their own organic like patterns of growth and evolutionary development, but you can sure have, you can speed it up with like high tech teaching. You can.
