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Speaker 3 00:00:48 This is episode 288. Never forget to bet.
Speaker 4 00:01:15 Hi, greetings. Uh, this is a special podcast at the time of steal into Ukraine and the stills, the Holocaust atrocity massacre, the massacre of the Ukraine, Russia was war there. And, uh, it is also at the time three days before an amazing event happening in America, which is a release of a film called never forget Tibet, a made by compassionate films out of London. And it will open an age, hundreds theaters in the United States alone. And I don't know how many in Europe and wherever else, because, but only for one night because of the Chinese communist party terrorizing all media and artistic people and everything where they kind of mentioned to bed and they kind of do this like some horrible thing and they have just done two poor can or Reeves actually wonderful, not poor, but wonderful canneries, just because he felt like making a beautiful, comedic performance in between, in between all the massive John wick, you know, wonderful events that he martial arts, things that he does and other things.
Speaker 4 00:02:40 And he did where he read a poem of Alan Ginsburg and he didn't mention Tibet. I bet he did it as a benefit for a cultural organization. So does he does remember Tibet, so such a remote connection, and yet they mercilessly are trying to harass him in order to terrorize everybody else in Hollywood as well not to mention punish him. I mean, what kind of ridiculous behavior is this? Put the reason, one of the things I want to stress in this moment is this is because the tiny little group of people and the standing committee of the Politburo, and it looks like maybe even one tiny little person, you know, although he's not as tiny as Mr Putin, but she's in pink. Mister she's in pig is still relative to the vast mass of humanity. One tiny little person. And you know, the technologies of our planet are such that we cannot allow this kind of one tiny little illegal maniac person to control, be able to massacre and kill and punish and control the thought of millions and billions of people.
Speaker 4 00:03:59 This is simply take the logically unfeasible and impossible, and it could be the masses of people on this planet have to rise up in a leaderless loving way, not a violent way, but in a leaderless without anyone big leader person rise up and say, no, you even, you started out as a good person and maybe you have some good intention, but you get to this focus of energy where your slightest flicker of the finger pressing of one button could annihilate the whole planet. And you, it's not possible that you should be put in such a stress full situation, even out of compassion for you and for all the living beings on the planet. It's compassionate. All right. So I want to make this point, because this is the point of the Dalai Lama. When the Dalai Lama said in the 1990s and has repeated, ever since he might've said it sooner than that, that this next century, but excited to know about the century.
Speaker 4 00:05:17 So probably around then this next century, Maine cannot be a century of violence and bloodshed and massive world wars like the previous, like the 20th century, 21st century may not and cannot, and must not be that you say and will not be actually, he was simply predicting a scientific fact that we cannot afford this kind of thing. We cannot stomach it. And even the tyrants who cause it don't enjoy it because they attract a vibratory hatred of so many people and everything tell it is so transparent. And everybody knows what everybody else is doing and are interconnected. Minefield. Facebook is the name of one company, but they're all, all of these companies interconnect us and you can't really turn them off, you know, and we don't want it because people don't want to turn them off. And actually strangely the tyrants and the fanatics think that through them, they can control all the people, but they can't because everybody sees everything.
Speaker 4 00:06:29 And so this is just a fact, war is obsolete and egomaniac, tyrants and dictators and Kings. Even if they're egomaniacs are obsolete, you can have a ritual movie star kind of king. If you like to have the social cultural feel of it, you know, like the look of it, but they can't have power to press buttons and do things. No. And that, and no one nor can even a bunch of weird corrupt senators have such a power. Somehow there has to be this distributed. Really the ideal of democracy for decisions are made by constant referendum through the internet, to everybody involved. That's the way of having definite peace, definite plan did plenty, not no super huge poverty and starvation for anybody and no wrecking the planet and the environment, which is what feeds everybody. And those individual high people, because they can't do that. They couldn't be rich people.
Speaker 4 00:07:33 There will be so rich people who will do creative things, probably more artistic type of peoples than just people playing with numbers. But there will be, and that's fine for people to be rich, but they will from their karma, but where their, their, their riches are related to wrecking the planet and destroying the environment and sucking oil and burning it and polluting the air, polluting the ocean, polluting the water, polluting the earth, polluting the wind. That can't happen. We, we, because we don't need to because we are happy people and we know how bad that our happiness relates to everybody else has happened. As we all are inter happy being we're into your living. We're intervening. That's what it is. All right. Now at this moment, though, we're still suffering with the spillover from the pre enlightened century of the KGB and the CIA and the Golan Jew or whatever it is that they call their secret service in China and the, and the raw something in India, the bigger countries, you know, and the M six and the great whatever they are, you know, and, and, and the bigger industrial little smaller pollution population countries.
Speaker 4 00:09:03 And if we go on like this, it'll be black South Africa with high-tech and nuclear weapons. And it will be Nigeria with nuclear weapons, and it will be Kenya. And don't give me some race, crap. Everybody has them. Everybody will have them. There's no law proliferating by few people are ordering other people. So non-preferred, there could be a non-proliferation because nobody's scared of anybody else because people are demilitarize and they voluntarily do so. And they know that, and there's no need for terrorists because people, you know, the terrorist families will not be killed by state terrorism by PARP it bombing for civilian bombing, which has state terrorism and is not only, I mean, old war is a crime, but within that, there are crimes of civilian bombing was even in the old time when war was not obsolete.
Speaker 4 00:09:54 So this has to be set out right at the moment, the brave people of the Ukraine, which includes the babushkas. I don't know. I hope that's a Corinthian word, as well as the right word. I know they're close to similar. They're less Slavic languages, Charlo, slobs, if not tele Russians of not fellow Ukrainians, but their fellow Slavs. So even the babushkas are there with guns and they are ready. They're staying, they're sending off children, but they're staying to fight. And they are standing up against this dictator. This is one person who has a fantasy that everybody has to be what he wants him to be. And everybody has to think and say, and do what he wants them to. We had those people before styling, we had, that would be ones in the America. Some CIA people, some of us has to know. <inaudible> predicted that when the allies fought to access, so-called evilest people that the evilest people among the allies would take charge of the allied societies, the mouse and the stolons and the CIA people in the states.
Speaker 4 00:11:06 And, uh, whatever in Britain and France, so-called five of high powers. Who's the other one I've crossed. But those, those three, those three bigger population ones into two smaller puppet, former colonialists, France, and England, and their bad people will take charge. And so it's those people still controlling and trying to pull us back into the bloody century. And we are, Americans are guilty of that too. And, and those people spilling over and not seeing the current reality. They don't know it they're stuck in the past, but we cannot tolerate them. We love them. Actually. We don't hate them. We hate what they're doing. We don't hate them. Zelensky is a comedian. He's not a bad guy. He's a comedian. He, he know again, he's a theater person and a television person. And they know they interconnect with thousands of people, millions of people daily, and they can't radiate bad vibes. So he's been good as a leader because he feels his people like us, like an actor does act. Actress acting is a great profession. It's an artistic, it's a, an altruistic perfection, great actors are altruistic, of course, because they sense their audience. You've paid for them. I think they're a good testicle. They can play artistical people. They've been in a lot of roles of just kind of dictator and Tyron and crazy person, horror movies and things. But in the future, they'll be new roles, new excitement, but they are altruistic people. They're wonderful people.
Speaker 4 00:12:38 So we, this Ukrainian thing has only one solution. It, we all have to be Ukrainians. I loved it. You know, like the, like the Italians who loved the Tibetans, they went out to the Chinese embassy when the Chinese were persecuted and massacring Tibetans, the most recent time, 2008, cause Tibetans were showing off a little. They were like expressing themselves. No, they threatened. They didn't do anything violent that time. There were some fake ones acting sent by Chinese pretending to be Tibetans and anybody who knows them knew it was not the Tibetans. And then they massacred a lot of Tibetans because of that. And they've had the place locked down ever since it was just like two acres, but they, they have basically have the place locked down for 70 years. China has three Ukraine's at least if not more, but three bigger ones. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 00:13:34 There are 55 different so-called minority nationalities in China, but I'm sorry. I don't know the names of all of them. Maybe the fourth is a Manchu, but those are four big ones. And they, and the Chinese were VIN, vengeful and vindictive about the Manchus who conquered the Chinese and humiliated them for 300 years, much worse than the Western sexually. And they've been persecuted since then. They've kind of disappeared and assimilated, but there are millions of metros originally and probably still shows the Tibetans, Mongolians leaguers, which now people are seeing and mentors. Those are Ukrainians and they've been 50, 60, 80 years, 70 years, they have been being assimilated and basically genocided by the Chinese. Well, more or less openly or not openly, you know, and more invisibly though, like in the old century way, because you don't have connection because they block Tibetans have been killing themselves, like to have been sacrificing their lives.
Speaker 4 00:14:31 Like two grandsons are, but they've been doing non-violently because of their put us ideals. And mostly because of their confidence about being reborn. And so they burned their bodies in front of the enemy. They burn their own bodies to show like you can't dominate us as their way of showing freedom, which is a unique specialty. Wasn't a dependent specialist in the past, but they, they achieved that terrible. We would tell them not to do it, just wait them out. And rather than do that park day are doing to almost 200 of them. I've done that so far. And then that, and the Chinese shoot them was there. Bernie cause they're so freaked out by it because it's where they're escaping from the power of the <inaudible> domination hierarchy coming from small people at the top because normal Chinese don't want to do that. Normal Chinese. They want to be happy.
Speaker 4 00:15:22 They want to be rich. They want to have fun. They want to, they, they, they worshiped. They worshiped Tibetans and land where their rivers come from. They have dead is in heaven, realms in Tibet, in their mythology. If they knew their mythology, as the communists didn't allow them to learn it. But if they, the ones have come to know it, now they loved the Tibetans. Say hundreds of millions on loved the Dalai, Lama love Buddhism. They don't want to dominate, destroy any Uber's. And the Buddhists don't mind, Muslims, really few crazy ones, but it's still it's in Burma. It's not the pedestrian. That really is the generals nasty generals did it to fool the Buddhists put us didn't propose it properly. I quite agree.
Speaker 4 00:16:05 So this is worldwide war. This is the world war of now. And Ukrainians are the heroes, but we all have to win it with Ukrainians. That doesn't mean we all have to go over there and shoot Russians. It means that we have to keep clear in our mind what it is. And whenever the Putin lunatic decides he better try to seem sane and he better like back off and maybe pretend he won something. And then, then normalize and then people would forget about it. And then we have someone who wants to be putting in America, a crazy Trump. We have to fight that he will do the same harmful thing. The reason they flipped fight other people is they do it when they get unpopular with their own people. When they don't have people out going yay to them anymore. And they realize, I mean, maybe they can get a few, but they realize by polling that they are really unpopular at that point, it throughout history, they will go and attack the neighbor and they, and then they'll even be, they'll even collude with the ruler of the neighbor.
Speaker 4 00:17:13 Cause he's getting unpopular probably. And then they'll vent the hostility, the resentment of the people being oppressed by the tyrant to that, the enemy is the other people and then they'll get them to kill each other. So then they will overthrow the tyrant to follow. But unfortunately, the way it's going in history, when they overthrow the tyrant in the different French revolution, American revolution, Russian revolution, instead of when they overthrow the tyrant, because they do it violently, the new guy is the worst tyrant, right? Right. He starts out with a good intention to liberate everybody. Then he becomes a horrible dominator, worse than the most corrupt emperor czar king queen, whatever Monarch, cause at least some, for several generations and monarchies, they try to train the crown princess or princesses to be good leaders and care about the people and the crown who comes up in a violent war. They just low violence. Pat bear power comes out of barrel of a gun. And therefore they oppress, everybody owns them really violently badly, which is why Russian revolution didn't turn out well.
Speaker 4 00:18:23 So now we have a new, a war of war and a new revolution. And that's the revolution of the people with love to people who demand happiness. And they know that they want help. They want to license to be happy themselves. And they know they can't be happy really by making other people unhappy. So they, so they don't try to repress and destroy and harm and domineer and bully other people. And we've reached that point. And that was a male and female have become therefore more equal because of that, because women always were ahead of men and knowing that they didn't want on those wars, they told their men don't do that bore. No, no, don't kill my son. They chose the king, but then they were immediately executed and kicked out and not listen to them. But they've known this for a long time because they're more realistic.
Speaker 4 00:19:10 They're more aware of intervening as the beloved late, but very present. Now after death, after death of his ordinary party, very present, ticked down, hung in love with mother earth and love with all the world's people as you are. And I am, we are in love with everybody. Even the bad guys were in love with them. We are poor guys. That must be Sadek watch down there. And Mar-a-Lago and the other most pathetic one in the, in the, in the Kremlin basement, threatening around with nuclear weapons and they're horrible. They taken to everybody and the most pathetic ones over there and Jong non-hybrid, she's actually a mantra emperors throne camp. You know, it's an Imperial thing and pretending to be communist for the people, but their Ferial throne, egomaniacs house. We should just be a museum. They should be live with people in, but they could have a big mansion if they worked hard, but they should live on the street with the people.
Speaker 4 00:20:13 And because that's, then they feel happy. Cause they liked it. They liked to have friendly neighbors. They know they have no friendly neighbors. They have all these body guards and security. They're scared of them because they're oppressing them. And all the people that are owning all the oil companies and the shakes in the Saudi Arabia and Iran who wants to sell oil and they turn the whole world into just the whole country and to just oil business, nevermind destroying the planet. They will turn it off because they're too scared to go out and live among people to kill even people who taped something about them. They're so nervous about, about people not liking them.
Speaker 4 00:20:55 Whereas if they were still living on the street, they might have a bad mood one day and kick a dog or something and then somebody would scold them and then they'd learn to men, make up to, to the dog. So when they get in a bad mood, they can't harm so many people as someone who has huge power over life and death, over people and huge weapons, that's not possible. So that's the revolution. Volodymyr Zelensky is leading the violent side of it. The Dalai Lama is leading the non-violence side of it. I think we should see to it that the Ukraine becomes under Valotta mirror after he wins by repelling the Russian invasion. Because, because the way to repel it is to make, we have to make it help them repel. It makes the too unpleasant for the dictator. Who's maintaining it and realized that he will lose everything if he keeps it up.
Speaker 4 00:21:52 But then the, the, the final resolution cannot be where he can then pills up more power to invade again, or invade the next group of people, which is what he wants to do because of his fantasies and his fear of the regular people around him. Because he's in the old he's in the last century, he was trained as a secret police where they torture and kill people at will and they life and death. They are, they have a double oh seven, oh no, we don't have such people in the future. We do not. We love everybody. So they don't kill people and we have to see to it. Then Ukraine could be a zone of peace and everybody would agree that everybody else cannot invade them and maybe get your guarantee at first, because you know, we don't want a regime change there. It will be eventually the Russians will have to decide to do it themselves.
Speaker 4 00:22:50 They'll realize the impracticality of this they'll decide to do it. I've maybe they're all the cars will decide to turn some of their excessive mansions into museums. Dale sort of try to reenter. We enter the forgiveness of the people who Sunday had killed for an unnecessary invasion and stupidity and whatever, or from writing the wrong article. They exit tortured and executed. They have to try for forgiveness. And they did it in South Africa. They had forgiveness. They had to too, but there are two, two they're Russian tutus. There's Ukrainian tutus. There's American tutus. There's Chinese tutus. There's Tibetan tutus. There's every kind of Tutu for reconciliation commissions. There could be a world court international court, okay. Could sign up to potentially come into international reconciliation commission next to the court, rather than just locking them up forever. You only lock people up to try to educate them. They're correctional facilities. They're called. They're not called punishment facilities. We don't do that. So I say you're European. They don't do capital punishment and civilized countries. They do rehabilitation because they love everybody. Even murder. Even bad guy could be good. If they were reeducated retrained, it had a different vision. They had a different experience. They had nightmares about it. They saw their karma. They were received teaching of how to find the knowledge in their mind because either they're human beings and because they can understand reality and reality is against the act of killing another living. Being basically
Speaker 4 00:24:31 Reality allows you to flourish when you save every life and then you can get more life plants give themselves too. So it's okay. And plant diet is healthier anyway. Okay. So Let's hear it for Ukraine, but let's remember Tibet let's remember the weakers let's remember the Yemenis, which is America is blame And the people who are still selling, whatever it is, who the Saudis let's remember Saudi Arabia they're to blame. Let's remember starving people, wherever Kenya, Ethiopia. That's that's a joke. That's no good. That guy had a Nobel peace prize. And he goes, <inaudible> all these people. No, no, no. Mid-sentence so forth. Jail is helping do cranes. They ride poise on the Polish border are many such people. We helped him. We do everything we can to help the loving people. And we don't allow this idea of loving people are weaker. Loving people are stronger. Volodymyr is showing that at his Ukrainian people. And we love them. They have a culture house to brother, organization, sister, organization to Tibet house on 15th street is the career cranium house on 79th street and fifth avenue. We were between fifth and sixth hundred 15th. Let every oppressed culture have a house in New York and in DC and then Pascal and Paris and London
Speaker 4 00:26:17 And in Beijing and no dictators, oppressing and killing off. And it's trying to assimilate and increase their power because they're scared of their neighbor. Can't ever want to conquer somebody, thousands of miles away to make them. So <inaudible> bigger, which doesn't satisfy. So then they want to conquer more.
Speaker 4 00:26:38 Believe me, the bigger enemy of the Russians or the Chinese and vice versa. So you're not allies because Russia is hogging too much land that took too many Chinese need. So actually in it in a better world, beyond the 20th century world state would allow them to farm that land. And they'd be up there making it beautiful and producing more things and stopping the, stopping this stupid, um, melting of the permafrost in Yakutia and the Northern Siberia, but to Siberia, it's huge. And there's not enough people there and they can invite some Chinese and they don't have to have a war, which I prophetically saw in the 1980s. And they don't have to have that. Please, please, please. Siri. Airbrake okay. So that's what I have to say today. And don't worry. And also don't be frightened by him with his new curse. He's not going to shoot it in nuclear. So he can't, God won't let him, the angel Gabriel will stop him and his own head. He will not. Cause he knows that's his end of life. And he has beautiful daughters and he has his side. He has a human side, that particular bad guy at the moment, actually very criminal guy.
Speaker 4 00:27:57 And we don't want that from any of these countries. And we certainly don't want them in the U S they have been a bunch of them here. We don't want them and we're going to, but we love because we love them. If you go kill a lot of people, you reach, you go to hell yourself, whatever you think, hell is you go there. That's what happens to you who don't live well after killing people. Okay. Thank you so much. And go see, never forget to bet. And one of the 800 theaters, if you're in America or wherever it might be playing and ask them to run it for more days, I'm sure it's quite cute. It's about the little, the little dilemma escaping and some things about it, but it's really getting to know the leisure of world's eaters, who has no country. He's been in exile for most of his life.
Speaker 4 00:28:52 And he, he says still, no, he doesn't want to vengeance on the people who are genocide, him and his people. And he's got, he's inspired his people. Mostly not to want such Avengers. Mostly nothing's perfect, but mostly, and not to even, they are furiously angry on to death, but they only give their, get rid of their own body. They won't murder a bunch of people with them, with them. And that's extraordinary cultural level that should be respected and honored and learn from. But we have that extraordinary cultural potential in all of our cultures. We just under the charge of nowadays too easily controlled by people who are stuck in an earlier time when they thought it might be efficient to have one lunar take running the show. And it's obviously totally destructive and we can't afford it anymore. No one, the Russians can't, we can't the Chinese cat people have to have local control over their destiny. Okay. No big dictators and empires anymore. Thank you so much, everybody. All the best have a great day.
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