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Speaker 2 00:00:48 This is episode 287 Bodhi Sophos, and the Buddha undefensive oars
Speaker 1 00:01:14 Here we are today, solemnly remembering March 10th, 1959. When the Tibetan people in Lhasa, uh, responded to a mouse trap posed for them by the Chinese communist, by Mao and dung sharping. In particular, those two in league with the particular general, who is in charge of Chinese troops in Lhasa at that time. And the mousetrap that they did was the dog has often said a Lama was in the normal Inca palace and summer palace, although it was still only March and they, Chinese general in LASA was instructed to invite him for artistic performance, but told not to bring to the performance, any troop or any body guard or anybody, but a few members of his family, all totally unarmed knowing full well that the defendants would interpret that as a moment where the Chinese were, perhaps was tension was kind of high at that point where they would take him away and abduct him as they had done too many, many spiritual leaders in Eastern Tibet already.
Speaker 1 00:02:31 And the Tibetans knew that and the Chinese knew they would re resist that invitation in under those terms. And so did Ireland was kind of kept in the normal Lincoln palace. And then all of a sudden this, this rumor went like wild style to all the Tibetans and all the citizens of Lhasa came and surrounded the normal Lincoln palace to prevent the Dalai Lama from leaving their own a huge a hundred thousand people or whatever it was a population. It's not that huge individ anyway, but maybe hundreds of thousands of people, but then we should. But the people who didn't go there smelling a mousetrap where the remnants of the guerrilla fighters from Eastern Tibet, who had been trying to resist the Chinese because they were ahead of the people in central Tibet, because they had seen the communists taking away everything from everybody supposedly to help the, the lowest poorest members of the community, but then actually taking it to the Chinese rabbit, not giving it to these poorest people, just making everybody equally poor as it turned out.
Speaker 1 00:03:32 And they were renewing that and they've been fighting, but they'd been pretty much beaten by a well-armed huge country, industrial military sick country. And that had just seasoned and hardened soldiers from having 14 guy check to a victory send still in China, over decades and the Japanese before that. And so, so, uh, on this March, so then what happened was the dog dilemma, luckily escaped from that place. And then by then the Chinese put artillery things all around, focused on the normal Inca and on the crowd. I think hoping that the remnants of the girl of fighters would come in to protect it all on them from the Chinese, along with all those citizens. And, but luckily they didn't fall for that. And, uh, and then also luckily the Dalai Lama escaped and got, and by sort of miracle and a windstorm and so on by intervention of day, it is, he went through the Chinese lines and he escaped him when they heard it.
Speaker 1 00:04:30 And they figured it out. He was already on his way to exile in India. And, uh, and then when the minute to Chinese high command, namely Mao and dumb Chao ping, and the committee in Beijing heard this, that he had escaped, they said to the general start shelling the people at the normal Inca before they leave, because they knew that those people would leave. If there was no longer the Dalai Lama there to protect. Cause they were not actually making a rebellion against the president of the Chinese troops, although they're ready, they were ready at all times to say leave. And they've been saying that ever since for 63 years, without, without anybody listening to them. And they'd been saying it by fighting for 10 years, sort of like the Ukrainians nowadays are fighting. So then they just massacred a whole bunch of people, maybe 150,000 people in Lhasa, many hundreds of thousands all over Tibet.
Speaker 1 00:05:27 They just, they canceled all kinds of promises. They had made to the Tibetans, not to interfere in the Tibetan culture, et cetera, et cetera, the local government, they called the local government, but they just then took it over. It was her communist run place and they ignored that there was ever any kind of local government, everything from that time. And they started just the next thing the country, you know, and, uh, but luckily Donald lemme escaped and we all know the story about that. And so there is this knowledge, thanks him. There is great knowledge of the Tibet situation in the world, but it does kind of get obscured even within the Chinese atrocities that they are doing. No wonder. She is now claimed to his standing with Putin and his destruction of the crane because the Chinese are doing the same to the Tibetans they've been doing for 60 years, 60, 70 years, 73 years, uh, they've been doing with the oil or people, but definitely lately, has it become seen and known that they're doing what it was worth.
Speaker 1 00:06:26 So there's been a big fuss about it, but they've been doing it with the Mongolian people. A majority of the Mongolian people live in inner Mongolia, more than population than an outer Mongolia or Berea or Tuva where you have other Mongolian people. And so they've been doing the same and they're now doubling down, not allowing them to learn the language and over the children, you know, to try to assimilate them into the Chinese thing. So this is a, in other words, another stage we advanced stage of a Ukraine type situation is still happening into bed. And it's evidently at ABI, but sort of invisibly still cause harder was to see Tibet. They block people from really seeing it and Tibetans are still fighting there, but now they do it. Non-violently bless their hearts and that they will go with someone who gets really beyond and they just have to do something extreme.
Speaker 1 00:07:18 They go and they just burn themselves in front of a police station or in front of a giant bunch of Chinese troops to show her, I will just do myself in. So you can't frighten me by that. You were ready to kill me because I live in a bigger world than this one. Life and life is not about dominating people. And then they offer themselves to the firewood idea of, they don't think they're killing themselves. They feel they are expanding to take a better rebirth, but will destroying the body that the Chinese thing they're controlling them through. If you follow me. So the real freedom resistance has to be by people who are willing to live beyond the body. And in a way, do you understand that soldiers are willing and who is in armies in war, which now is an obsolete thing on earth in war wars, dictators like Putin.
Speaker 1 00:08:08 And unlike our own CIA people like the Bush family and biting Iraq or Cheney, you know, who really are kind of worn out there, want to be dictators with put it that way. Even though they were semi elected, but they, when they invaded a country, they didn't people who didn't attack them against the world order that we realized at the end of the harasser, that the atrocity of the world war and of the bombs, which we dropped, not them. We dropped the end of it. We realized that war subliminally, the world realized that war is impossible because you can't escalate and you only destroy the other country. You don't tame it or you don't subdue it and get it to work for you. Can't did. Everything is too powerful and everybody knows everything. So war is not a Buddhist principle is not candy, although they saw it earlier.
Speaker 1 00:08:55 But in our century, our, because of our technology, war is no longer it's obsolete. Read Jonathan shell, the unconquerable world, it's proven in black and white as a political science doctrine, not as a religious doctrine, but the reason they can get away with it is that a soldier can be brutalized and trained to sort of be offered their body to the fire of war potential fire. Of course, they try to Dodge and survive and kill the other one, but they are ready to die themselves. Or they put themselves in harm's way. So the peace people have to be equally stand big, fully powerfully, which is what Zelinsky is doing. President Zelensky of the Buddha said Ukraine is doing that. And his people are doing that. The, my done people did that in the Ukraine. And that's the, that's what the war people, the dictators fear that because that means that people will be free.
Speaker 1 00:09:54 They will have a choice in how they are governed. They will not live under corrupt dictators, and just be enslaved by them. They will not, they will not serve in every immoral, illegal criminal war. They will not do that. And that's why we're not making the world safe for democracy, because we were trying to explore to America. People couldn't be democratic in their own cultural way, but we are pushing for democracy because dictators piss their own people off by suppressing and oppressing them and putting them in jail. If they don't like the dictator and they then will inevitably make a war on the neighbor because that dictator will try to deflect their resentment of their own people against them for oppressively governing against some made up enemy, by making people afraid that they used propaganda to get people thinking that somebody else wants to hurt them was meanwhile, their dictator is the one who's hurting them and robbing them.
Speaker 1 00:10:53 So it's a trick that has been going on for thousands of years, but, and it would be sealed going on, except technology makes it impossible. Actually know if it's your created patient by the Russians was just some troops killing some other troops and winning because being more of them and then they would make them ordinary civilians worked for them and give them their weed for free or whatever. And there's nothing that anybody could do about it. They get away with it. But, but that isn't the case. They both sides are armed with weapons that are too strong to do like that. And even the civilians will pick up a stinger missile and blow up your tank. And therefore, all you can do is just destroy the country. You can win an impose, its settlement on them. It's not possible. You just destroy the place. And it will, that will produce is poverty and terrorism on the few people who do survive.
Speaker 1 00:11:45 They'll be so mad at you. And so it is worthless. The us did bad things in Iraq and in Afghanistan, by occupying the countries, they have a right to go after people who attack them in those countries. But people who didn't attack them, they have no right to occupy them. They have no right to dictate to them. They have no right. We were very wrong to do that. That was wrong. Old fashioned obsolete behavior that we did. And of course it failed. And this will fail by putting the Russian Pluton will fail. Russian people will win because they will see gluten is a failure. And if you, but if you break it as sooner, there'll be less destruction. And then his, his defeat will be less terrible on him than it will be. If he persists to try to destroy the whole place, it will be more terrible for him. So on this eight, now this is, we're talking about Tibet because it's March 10. So I want to read my statement first. I want to read the statement that I've shared with people publicly. And I've tried to put it wherever I can. And I don't do this as the head of any organization or institution. I simply do this as an individual person,
Speaker 1 00:12:58 Poutines criminal invasion of Ukraine and genocidal speech before it proposing that new crane does not exist. And Ukrainians are just Renegade. Russians is shortly parallel to the Chinese communist parties refusal to acknowledge the undeniable existence of the Tibet nation as a distinct people with their own culture in their own traditional historic thousands of years, Highland territory, in both cases that of Ukraine and of Tibet, the dictators of Russia and China seek to justify their colonialist invasion and occupation of a neighboring land and people and their views and words. And, and that is the root of their views and words to that effect that they don't exist is the root of the genocidal wars of invasion and the ethnicity policy. Once they occupied the air force. When we stand in solidarity with Ukrainians today on March 10th to bet national uprising day, we should remember the Tibetans, the Mongolians and the leaguers who are suffering the same kind of genocidal oppression at a far different stage from the dictators of China, do Ukrainians are fighting bravely against extreme odds.
Speaker 1 00:14:20 And you just write for the free world to remember and support them. The Tibetans fought in the fifties in the same way, but the world was different then. And few people knew about it today, March 10th, we commemorate the Chinese communist final ending of the Tibetan resistance, the massacre of mostly unarmed and poorly armed Tibet civilians that loss in 1959, our hearts go out to the several sow's many thousands, hundreds of thousands of Tibetan warriors of that time and of innocent civilians and arm, basically unarmed civilians were killed in all of that time. That is the main commemoration for them today. But our hearts also go out to the several hundred Tibetan warriors even today who are standing on the spiritual level of shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Ukraine, but then who are now fighting non-violently as inspired by his holiness, the Dalai Lama in the sense that they only give up their own body.
Speaker 1 00:15:22 They avoid the Chinese having to kill them, but they want to tell the Chinese communist that they are free because they can give their own life. They are free to decide when they wish to die. And when they don't wish to live under such an oppression, they can decide that because they will remain free beyond the fear of death. And these are the self-immolation up to the 170 number, 170 now over the last decade or so, who have emulated them, their bodies. I never say themselves because the self doesn't die a death, but they eliminate it, eliminate their, but they emulate their bodies to show that to show they're still standing for freedom nowadays non-violently, but because they're not harming anybody else by giving their own bodies to the fire in the face of their oppressors to assert the essential truth of their freedom and the greater life force beyond the body.
Speaker 1 00:16:21 We stand in solidarity with all such mistreated people, including the many who have been invaded and harmed in the past by our own governments. Thinking now as an American individual, we warn the invaders and the pressers that they're murderers deeds will not be forgotten, even though any sentient being can be forgiven for their madness. Even the most crazy and evil, we already, they still to be being can be forgiven, but the deed will not be forgotten. And its consequence will be terrible. As terrible as, as its effect is as its evil effect, it will bounce back on the perpetrator. We urged them even for their own sake to cease and desist at once the war, the dictator who decided this basically pretty much a one person deal in this case, cease and desist at once as their destruction of others, but only ended up as destruction of themselves.
Speaker 1 00:17:18 We pray for them to escape the dictator's self imprisonment in delusionary isolation recover their human common sense and see the light and begin at once the difficult process of reparation for the grievous harms, they are inflicting on innocent others, war conquest and tyrannical. Genocide are all obsolete. All of these are just so 20th century. And before, while this 21st century as his holiness, the Dalai Lama has wisely advised all of us and all the world leaders over the last decades as a Nobel peace prize Laureate must be as this 21st century. It must be a century of peace, intelligent, democratic, practical human beings, resolving conflicts through dialogue, with violence off the table, including the ongoing polluting violence against nature and other animals. May we take this lesson to heart as we watched with horror and skillfully resist the evil unto child destruction of Ukrainian of the Ukraine and Ukrainians. And as we deeply commemorate on this special day to tragic invasion, oppression, occupation, and genocidal, assimilation, and destruction of the Tibetan people, that's me, Robert Terman, professor Ameritas and author of man of peace, the book man of peace. Do you know those traded biography of the Dalai Lama of Tibet, which tells the story in all of its graphic detail. So
Speaker 1 00:19:12 In a way, the fact that Putin has pushed it in this crazy way to the limit because he feels the reason he does it. What he's really afraid of. I have to be clear like what the Chinese Imperium forget about communism and forget about Russian people and Chinese people. They're fine. They just want to make a living. They want to have a nice time. They want to take care of their children. They don't want to kill other people's children. They don't, it's only these dictator or dictatorial beings like, like, you know, like, like Flo 10, ironically, he claims he's doing a deed, not certify, you know, Zelenskyi, who's Jewish and a non observant, not humanistic, wonderful theatrical, artistic, and obviously very courageous Jewish person. And you know, his pretends, he's the person who's behaving like a Nazi, like Hitler is him Putin and his Chinese dictator, any dictator Bashara aside in, in the post Sudan, the Maduro in Venezuela and it, and in the United States, when we have a small clique around the CIA and around certain kind of militaristic, the military industrial complex, the iron cross people that Eisenhower warned us about in the fifties, but they cause like lies and then put us into war and destroy another country.
Speaker 1 00:20:38 Like we destroyed Iraq. Like we, we, we embedded the Europeans destroying Libya. We cowardly didn't prevent the Russians from destroying Syria. No, but we behaved like that as a government, as a country, this is all obsolete. We, if we, if we knew our own soldiers, wouldn't occupy that country, they knew they actually want, I know some soldiers who were there getting rid of the Al-Qaeda, which we had a right to work on in the case of Afghanistan, after the attack nine 11, we had a right to do that, but not to occupy their country and the people, the soldiers who were there with the getting rid of the Al-Qaeda, they born the Pentagon and those people don't land soldiers in occupy. After we, you know, once they are free of the Taliban and the Al Qaeda, who's supporting the, all this Haida, let them decide their government amongst themselves, do not enter an occupied the country.
Speaker 1 00:21:37 They told us, and we would enlist and be criminally occupied and foolishly. And we got to feed. It didn't mean that they're wasting so much life and so much limb, so much treasure, same, the same in Iraq and directly, the destabilization of Syria was what was caused by climate actually initially, but also by us. So I don't want to go into detail on that. I just want to say it's really strong on March 10th, commemoration right now, precisely because Putin is showing the world to completely inappropriate. Let's just not throw out moralistic language and say utterly inappropriate behavior of an omniscient, omnipotent tyrant, who acts like it's possible to be omnipotent as a human being. What it is is completely impractical within the modern framework. And he is going to be defeated by cell phones, by information, by people having joining a culture of mutual empathy and mutual understanding and mutual interaction, the information age, he was doing pretty good using his dictatorial power and the open worldly society of the internet, Facebook and Twitter and whatever corrupting the democracies, which are open societies.
Speaker 1 00:22:56 And then, and then the democracies don't want to fight and kill people really basically, except unless they're subverted from within, which is a danger. And he was corrupting them effectively with cyber war, you know, an information war, but the point is he overstepped and you showed it. Wasn't just trying to get a little advantage. It was an attempt to oppress and conquer everybody. And that has made us put it made it, made it obvious why his holiness, the Dalai Lama is correct to say that in this century, it really starting in 1945, really after the use of an atomic bomb on civilians, which is state terrorism after the use of that war is obsolete basically. And you know, the reason food that has not been controlled because he's threatens to use nuclear weapons on somebody and then everybody freaks out cause they know that's impossible, but that's the whole thing is impossible.
Speaker 1 00:23:55 And dictatorial government, Chinese people left to themselves will struggle or all they'll have parliaments. They'll argue with each other, like in Taiwan, they even sometimes have fights in the bottom of the house. Like I would like to see Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell in a cage match. I'd like to see that that would be fun then instead of filibustering and not governing the country because they just, they just want on fight all. They want to have campaign all the time. They don't want to be a loyal opposition like where the Republicans are today. You know? So we, we can't have dictators. It's not conceivable in the modern world. There is no omnipotent. Even God is not omnipotent because he has to send Jesus to help us. Even, you know, none of them are omnipotent. There's no such thing as an omnipotent person, Buddha is not omnipotent.
Speaker 1 00:24:47 If you knew, if you can be out, you can be on this yet who can know everything. And what, you know, as you can do everything that until everybody can make everybody else do everything because people love. But one of them wants to be free. Every one of them wants to be happy and they have a right to be every living be. So, so the point is the individual who stands up for freedom like president Zelensky and his friends and his circle and his administration and individual Ukrainian mothers and fathers and grandfathers who stand against being completely crushed and ripped off by this dictatorial thing. And who would love for their relatives and dear friends among the Russian people to be as free as they can be. Not only do they would like to be in something like the European union, but they would like the Russians to be in the European union and not ruled by corrupt oligarchs who really the root of their power is the corrupt control of nuclear weapons, which we shouldn't fear because no one can use them. They are not possible to use because no one who has still human would ever use one, absolutely not. We are doing so was a crime against nature and against humanity. The two times that we did and we've never done it again and we wouldn't ever do it and no one would ever do it. And Putin is not that crazy. As the president of Finland, who knows him very well said, he is pretending to be crazy to get away with his old fashion obsolete behavior.
Speaker 1 00:26:31 So I'm commemorating the Tibetan heroism and not the failed uprising, although I'm commemorating those who lost their lives, trying to resist standing up for freedom for truth. Yes, but I'm commemorating them by standing in solidarity with Ukrainians. Today has every Tibetan hero is also doing and every and every Mongolian one and every Chinese one, ultimately, and every Russian one, ultimately the real Russian heroes are the people in the street being beaten up by police. Eventually there'll be the police who will refuse to beat up their own grandmother. On the order of this, when their grandmother comes out, they will refuse.
Speaker 1 00:27:18 And they did it once we know the Russians can do it because they did it once in 19 90, 19 91, when Yeltsin stood up on the tank and when two people went out in the street and they stopped the KGB from their oppressive control and just, and, and oppression and, and impoverishment of their country and their lives. So they can do it again. And they will. That's what really looked in his fighting rear guard action against consciousness, raising the consciousness of the individual and the 21st century, which is the beauty of life, the fragility and the preciousness of the planet, the wish to become responsible in the use of our technology, or we don't pollute and destroy the climate and destroy the balance of the source of our life. These are also Petro, dictators, Petro, state, dictators. They are no longer accessible. Saudi Arabia needs Russia democracy to have a Royal family.
Speaker 1 00:28:17 It has to be an ornamental one purely, or a mental like the one in England or Japan cannot have political power because one person, when they think they're omnipotent, they are going to mistreat people. This has shown today graphically to everyone. Let's take that lesson and let's resist that all full force. I feel compelled to share with somebody, the thinking in Buddhist circles about a war of defense. In fact, what is, um, does not have a holy war doctrine or theory because it doesn't consider war can never be holy or sucks in general because it's the fog of war. You know, the whole thing, many things happen that nobody intended who starts or war therefore aggressive wars in play, there is no possibility of its being holy. That is an unfortunate aspect of people who have a religious tradition, where they think that, uh, somehow they're supposed to convert other people to it.
Speaker 1 00:29:28 And if people are not a member of their tradition, they should be exterminated in some way, corrected in some way or converted in some way. And, uh, that's not Buddhism doesn't believe in that. And so there is no holy war doctrine. And I, for years, I even said there was no fighting doctrine of any kind. And then I discovered I was wrong because it's a huge literature. And I eventually my friend, um, who was the prime minister of Tibetan government in exile for eight years. And before that a very famous and important scholar in India founded the central university of Tibetan studies. And so really great guy. I knew him since, you know, really teenage hood. We lived in the same house when we were both in our twenties and he discovered, and then my friend, she jumps Pell translated the bodies, et cetera, et cetera, which means the field or the range of the bodies, hyper Sutra, which is a Sutra in Buddha's time with Buddha appearing and Buddha asking a certain person called such a beauty, the truthful one to give a theory of defense when it is, when it is allowed in a way by what is violent ethics to defend yourself when invaded by another country, which of course is the condition of the Ukrainian.
Speaker 1 00:31:05 So I'm doing this in the context of our struggle with Ukraine and really the Ukrainians struggled with the Russians. Let's put it that way. There, there their dire necessity of trying to defend themselves, I guess, the overwhelming Russian force and the Russian force being used with impunity by, I don't think a madman, but someone who feigns aggressive badness in order to preserve Kirkwood, which is an old war strategy who feigns recircle hood to intimidate enemy.
Speaker 1 00:31:41 I noted that the president or prime minister of Finland cleverly said that he thought that president Putin was same person who was feigning insanity, and that would be failing the worker to preserve her mode. You know, like Alexander the great, supposedly we'd go reserve for a battle. And that way, those are his troops into more vigorous action than they otherwise would have, would have manifested in this conflict. The Ukrainians are the ones who are more forceful as individual troops because they are fighting to defend their Homeland. And they are not the aggressive ones and they have been aggressive and they are, and it was announced that they are considered not to, to it exists by the aggressor. He gave a speech where he said he never agreed that there was such a thing as Ukrainian country, in which the disagreement he is agreeing with the czars, the Russian czars, not only Lenin and Stalin, Stalin killed millions of Koreans who robbed their food during the war.
Speaker 1 00:32:53 And at other times they've had horrendous things. They've done. Russians have to Ukrainians when they had USSR connection. You know, how that's why Ukrainians decided not to be a Republic within the Russian Federation, but to be an independent country, which they have always wanted to be. They have always been for hundreds of years, not for recently. I just recently, not really just granted the Ukrainians independence. They have been independent for forever, and the Russians have tried to absorb them and swallow them and assimilate them forever. So Putin has only repeating an old Russian mantra of the Ukrainians have to be versions because we want that land. We wanted to get to the black sea. We were all that agricultural land. And we wanted to make the Ukrainians learn Russian period and forget their slightly different Slavic language. You know, French, Italian, and Spanish Italians who claim the Spanish are, should really speak Italian and vice versa because they're very, very close and they're coming from Latin and Slavic languages wherever they come from, maybe from Sanskrit, actually, they are also very, very close.
Speaker 1 00:34:07 So in the Slavic language family. So, so this is the problem. Now, one note that has not been introduced in this issue is the non-violence note of the Buddhists. And, um, in this Sutra such authority, he tells what is the Buddhist theory of self-defense. And that is if you're invaded by an enemy king, he's talking in terms of ancient society. So in the enemy king, he says, and if you are invaded by an enemy king, your job is to decide whether you can resist that invitation. If you're completely overwhelmed, where we really only, you know, self emulating type suicide attack, type of ability to defend yourself, and you should not defend yourself violently, you should surrender because if you, um, if you don't then more violence occurs because you will kill some of the invading soldiers. You will draw blood from the invaders, but you will inevitably lose.
Speaker 1 00:35:21 And thereby the invaders will oppress. And when they oppress you and they instituted whatever regime they plan to, or your kingdom, or they will be more violent or more oppressive than they would, if you hadn't resisted. And in the case where they had threatened to kill your leader, then I guess going along with that, if we extrapolate it into that circumstance, you know, not make us, you know, there was not make us subsidiary king out of the Avery and king, which would be the ancient method. But the modern method would be to the modern situation is potent claim. He just wanted to kill Zelenskyi, the Jewish Solinsky, who explained what had Nazi, you know, and so he threatened with assassination, really the president. So in that case, if that were the case, then actually Zelenskyi should have surrendered, told his people to render and left their country to avoid the assassination movies set up for them, a government in exile, if there was an appetite to do that.
Speaker 1 00:36:21 But, you know, he should have done that. So that the terms of oppression would be lessened and less bloodshed over or would occur. However, so Lenski made the judgment, which I concur in personally to my surprise, that do gradients definitely want 10. It showed that in the, my down in the so-called orange revolution, which was not provoked by the United States, the reason I would not provoke such a thing is that a new is completely false, pretending that other people agitated that's, that's just Putin saying that, uh, Rangers themselves have no agency, which is a disrespect in it's kind of genocidal attitude about Ukrainians. They don't exist. So they couldn't have wanted to be free. Right? Whereas actually they did want to be free. They overthrew against a very strong Yanukovych using Russian backing to oppress them, just like the guy in the loser just did kill a lot of people and torturing many more right now I'm sure because he was voted out of office and he wouldn't accept that because he's a, or these horrendous dictators. And then the Russians came in back him up. He might've had to accept that except the Russians practicum. And they came in and they showed his people how to show terrible and people who protested and torture them, intimidate them, knock down, even a jet, an international airline in prison, one of them, their leaders.
Speaker 1 00:37:52 So in other words, in this case, Zelinski felt Ukrainians will be able to defend themselves. Of course, they did need weapons and they did need assistance from others in the form of weaponry, they were receiving our treasures Benedict Donald Trump, or I never call president because he never was because he never did to abide by an election. So therefore the fact that he got a through numbers and he was able to move into this house, basically move his business into our president's house and then more to stay there forever as a dictator. Um, no, that's, uh, that's not serving as a president. He's a trader or a Benedict Arnold. And he betrayed us to the Russians and he was betraying the Ukrainians by hopefully the holding their arms and, uh, and not allowing their president to have a meeting with him. And I'll try the Russians that we would support it, although he wouldn't fight for them.
Speaker 1 00:38:50 Okay, Justin, we didn't have to have them in there in the NATO in order to fight in order to support them as a free country, as our mandate to support democracies in the world. That's our mandate, America's foreign policy mandate. So, and not only that, but also support Marcy in America is our mandate, which we have to return to it. Now we are returning to know. So anyway, he says, therefore, if you can resist this invader do resist him and we expel him. And then when you expel him, when you get him, push him out past your border and used of course, to hear in terms of old fashioned war, where you're, you're dealing with an army army to army, don't pursue him back into his country and invade his country, stop at the border, let him know you could pursue him, but don't, and then impose a treaty of, uh, nom, future invasion on him under certain penalties, perhaps some reparations or something like that, because you defeated him in his effort to, to uncover your country.
Speaker 1 00:39:58 So that's the theory of adjusted offense. In other words, it's a theory intended to minimize violence and minimize collateral damage and loss of life, even loss of life, but in the militaries, both sides actually, because it's, it's operated in their awareness that actually this common citizens of almost all countries don't really want to die, to fight for their Kings except defensively. You know, if you know their own house and their own way of life is being invaded, their own families will be raped and destroyed so forth. Then they will fight and they have a license to fight, but they don't want to go fighting on wars of invasion where they might digest to increase territory or something because they're not really a survival necessary. And it's just a game of bad Kings basically has been for thousands of years, pretty much. And we know a few emperors in between a few empires in the old days, which they could get away with, but now it has been in the modern time now, of course.
Speaker 1 00:40:57 So that's the Buddhist view of, of the just defense and in that light, therefore we can consider the Ukrainians justly defending themselves as they've shown over two weeks, that does, they are numbered in our machine equipment wise. They have still defended themselves. They've lost some parts here and there. And of course the only way they really have lost is by a completely criminal war crime or Humana crime against humanity method of the Russians have just of attacking civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure and killing civilians and threatening and intimidating them. That's been the meth. And now, now that's a side step a little bit before coming to my thought on that modern warfare is completely illegitimate and it's actually what I would call. So 20th century and earlier, and not proper in the 21st century as it was proven toward the end of the 20th, actually.
Speaker 1 00:41:59 And in the beginning of the 21st, by several bad criminal invasions, the first worst one engaged in by the U S where we invaded Iraq without having been attacked by Iraq. That was, and I don't mean the first Bush, the first, most was repelling the Kuwaitis from, from, uh, Kuwait. I mean the Iraqis from Kuwait, that was a legitimate defense assistance of the Kuwaiti government, but, but the second one invading the Cheney Bush. And I put that in that order for the blame, the Cheney Bush invasion of Kuwait push junior evasion, wait, is it war crime? I'm sorry, it's a crime against humanity. All it did was destroy a lot of people, a lot of infrastructure, some, some lives of the invaders, but mostly the lives of the UN totally imbalanced the whole situation and caused several rev, reverberating wars, including the Syrian one, probably to the degree that it went.
Speaker 1 00:43:01 So it was a wreckage of the entire Heartland of the middle east and therefore crime against humanity. I think Americans have to embrace and own up to that to understand portions madness, the Italians and the French maybe should own up to the destruction of Livia just because they had a somewhat bad dictator. He had given up his nuclear weapons. He was shouting and screaming about being voted out of office and freaking out. So there was some justification, independent democracy, Obama letting them go ahead and maybe aiding them in some ways, but basically again, the invasion of Libya and the destruction of Libya and the turning it into a war zone from having been a badly administered, but still peaceful country, basically with its former aggressions outside, having been compensated for it to some extent sadness, the second crime, apparently that one very upset, very much upset Mr.
Speaker 1 00:44:00 Putin. And then the Syrian thing he's there was the Russians have rumors to blame and, and, and, and put in hours to totally a hundred percent to blame Georgia and Ukraine starting two 14 and accommodating. Now his attempt to completely destroy the Ukrainians, which he is failing to do. And we are rightly arming them as fast as we can. Okay. So that should be a and w but what should be acknowledged here is his holiness, the Dalai Lama's instruction to world leaders today, which they should listen to. It doesn't matter. He doesn't have a country. It doesn't matter. They're not Buddhists. He is gives a proper description of what the 21st century has to be. Namely a century where this disagreements and problems such as between Putin and U union European union member, state of Ukraine, leaving out issue of NATO, but member of Ukraine of European union, which is what the Ukrainians want wanted.
Speaker 1 00:45:12 And he tried, he tried, he denied them in his puppet. denied them. And that's what brought in. They are about the orange revolution, not American meddling. That's what I bothered them. And Putin has actually been at war with the European union by backing Brexit and directly by backing the Nazi party in Germany, by backing the Marine Le pen, the people who want to break up the European union and friends and the five-star, who are break up your opinion from Italy, he's been aggressing totally when grading waging multi information, war of cyber war against European union and political interference. And it's the typical difficult thing of a dictate dictatorship using the openness of democracies to try to corrupt them from within and install fellow dictators and puppet dictators of their own in those countries, in order to guarantee their continuing control over their own people who don't really want to be ruled by dictatorship in the 21st century, the dictator, and these are supposedly putting at least his honors.
Speaker 1 00:46:17 He doesn't pretend to be communists like the Chinese too, but he's actually more admires the czar. And he's more like a Christian fundamentalist imperialist for Russia. You know, he doesn't even like Lennon and communism. So the dictatorship of the proletariat turned back into the good old czarist imperialism under potent is hopefully could be clear about the point he is. The in general peaceful times, democracies are at a disadvantage in that sort of situation because their openness, so Russian oligarch can come and buy politicians. They can buy governments, they can use their concentrate over concentration of wealth by pressing that Rowan Russia and pupil to own over ownership of all the resources as a country to impressing the Russian people and not allowing the middle class entrepreneurship really to flourish by grabbing all the profits from everything. Then they go out and buy things in the other countries and make those governments compliant to them and try to Rick anymore saying, you know, national socialists that's called, or, you know, democratic socialist country like the European union countries are.
Speaker 1 00:47:30 So we have to acknowledge that. So then, so then our resistance to Putin in the Ukraine and the backing, the Ukrainian bravery of standing up to him personally, following the law, even the nonviolent Buddhists argue because there they are, they're pragmatic, non-violent it is. They're always seeking to minimize pilots, not to tell you that there's any such thing as an absolute non-violence, they're attempting to minimize. And, and, um, you must do that, but now we come into, so the second thing is one war itself is hopeless. Therefore, any country where the government has the control of information, no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, no freedom of media, and therefore can brainwash their population to be completely out of touch with reality and think that and create fear in their population by opportunity, there was big enemies ringing or more around them wanting to harm them.
Speaker 1 00:48:29 And thereby can mobilize aggressive war and attempt to create empire. That's simply unacceptable. And therefore there is the bet, the battle that Biden so beautifully expresses on the planet today, which is how is a new cold. And now at the moment, hardcore, it's a war between autocracies and democracies and China and Russia are the two bad autocracies Russia. Perhaps the worst one at this moment, China may be undecided from income. It is a very bad one. As it shows on its way, it treats the Tibetans the way it treats them leaguers the way it treats the Mongolians. It's bad showed that already, but it hasn't attacked. And then it just did it to Hong Kong, but otherwise it hasn't attacked, you know, any kind of other nation yet. I mean, India a little bit, but not, not, not, full-scale not yet. It obviously will. It showed us intention to, especially if Russia worked together, it would Taiwan, you know, people will say, but Taiwan is for also defend themselves.
Speaker 1 00:49:33 They're also very capable of defending themselves and, uh, they're not easily going to be able to in Japan and we are Australia and India will help them. So that's not going to be easy for them as they are now seeing lucrative, no pushover for Russia, for Russia, doesn't want to push over the Ukraine. They want to be friends with them. They take to click the KGB FSB, click headed by the czarist, put it on to overthrow them because it's part of their process of trying to get rid of the whole European union and real establishing a Russian empire.
Speaker 1 00:50:11 Now we come to the 21st century hard. You should be a time of dialogue and free speech and people justifying what they do reasonably and negotiating and compromising. And there's a very easy compromise with Ukraine. We European union could accept them as members could offer to the Russians membership also in European union. If, but they'd have to meet democratic standards, you have to release the media to have a free media, to have to allow to elections and election monitors. You have to allow freedom of speech and assembly. They couldn't just monopolize all power by the oligarchs in order to enter the European union, neither could Ukraine and would have ism has applied and will hopefully be accepted soon. Even before their, their infrastructure is completely crushed. Russians do have the ability to flatten like they did Siri. Like they helped us out do in Syria.
Speaker 1 00:51:13 They can flatten the whole country, obliterate it's all infrastructure and genocide. Lots of craniums. There still would not stop those that arrived from fighting them. So it would just be useless for them. It would have ripped an asset on a friendly basis that Russia had as friends, as a producer of grain and scale and industrial productions and things. They would turn that into a ruined place that someone would have to repair and said, you know, cause so it's totally asinine. And eventually Russian people would know that. And hopefully then they really wouldn't SKUs as they did in the nineties and overthrowing the kleptocracy, the KGB FSB runs, you know, you know, CIA type Russian CIA type run government, like in the nineties, they did that. And some of their own leader from within the communist party, garbage off enabled them to do it. They did. Yes,
Speaker 1 00:52:13 But now we have the issue of the terrorism practice by the Russian, by this clique in Russia, the communist party, the comment not coming as did all the guard key, the Kremlin oligarchy in charge of Russia, of threatening the west and the world with nuclear attacks. And then everybody's shying away. As far as the real, moving into strong, more strongly support, Ukrainians bravery, which is defending the European union itself because that's what his issue is about. This all started with Ukrainian effort to join. The European union is not NATO. It was European union in order to have government monitored from outside as keeping democracy alive and not succumbing to Russian installed other parks, they had a number of them. So now we can't really support him. There are no flies on, for example, which they're begging us for because he can bomb and flatten them with impunity, with planes.
Speaker 1 00:53:20 And we can't do it with our pilots. We can give planes, but that's how edge of it, but not pilots. And, uh, can't enforce a no fly zone because that could lead to leukemia war. We are threatened. We are not threatening them with nuclear war. We're threatening. Our deterrent is nuclear retaliation, but he's then feigning madness to intimidate us. And this intimidation along with the hardship of shifting away from Russian gas and oil in Europe and things like that. And also the pressure put on people like Boris Johnson, other by the Russian oligarchs who own London grad not to mention someone like Deripaska and our, like our, who has a big factory in Kentucky and owns Mitch McConnell, or they own Trump. And they, they have the luckily they now been bought on the internet. They can aid the insanity movement in America, which is a good thing.
Speaker 1 00:54:19 One of my motorbike riding heroes, who mayor Huck has pointed that out beautifully, that Twitter is much cleaned up, maybe Facebook. I don't know, cause I don't follow that that well. But my point is then we have to rely on our deterrent and we have to judge, you put in more skillfully, the kind of insanity he has does not override self preservation on his part. It's been a child since childhood. He was known as someone who, because of smallness of size physically, he's not big and tall that didn't weigh 250 pounds as well. He would in a school boy quarrel or gang fight or something. He would always escalate and terrorize the opposing gang by, you know, taking out a broken bottle or something to really bloody and even killed somebody who wants to just be, have a fight with him. And his friend was known for that, but he didn't, uh, they didn't get killed.
Speaker 1 00:55:19 They didn't kill anybody as far as we know at that time, he now he's killing people. So, so, but he, on the other hand, he has his own plan for himself. He has his sense of destiny is going to restore are his empire. Isn't really, the USSR is his RS empire. But to be clear, Christian is white empire. So it's really basically Nazi-ism Russian version of Nazi-ism and, uh, backed by, by weird philosophers like Ilian and Doogan and people. We should be aware of that. So he can threaten nuclear. He won't use nuclear. So we can be a little braver in the margins of supporting the Ukrainians. That's what I want to say. So that's what I want to say. Those things, we should definitely get planes to the Ukrainians as fast as possible. Maybe we could help them hire a mercenary pilots that weren't actually in the U S air force.
Speaker 1 00:56:16 And it's good that we cut off the Russian, all the Russian cyber war people. And if we be very alert to any modes they have in other non Russian countries, they could still, you know, robot us and screw up our information and spread this information in Europe and in America to hold out in a longer run against this czarist imperialist effort by the KGB people. Okay. So I just thought that I haven't seen complete clarity in this, you know, some old fashioned, uh, 20th century sort of bread, Russian, you know, experts, quote unquote are quoted on CNN and places talked about, oh yeah, well, we really provoked them with natal. Nevermind natal nature was there to protect against the Soviet union's occupation of half of, of the Warsaw pact and all of their Asian. And they're staying in Eastern Europe. But notice America did not pretty puppet governments and stay in Western Europe.
Speaker 1 00:57:19 It allowed Western Europe to be fully democratic sent money with the Marshall plan. He has left some troops to help them defend themselves, making them maybe lazy, especially everybody wanted Germany to be lazy about the venting itself, not to be militarized, but in a way, making them lazy about paying for their own defense. But, uh, I was just in a rebuilding phase and the expansion of it just had to do with the fact that the Yeltsin Gorbachev movement to make Russia Judah democratic was defeated by the FSB, the KGB who put themselves back in as oligarchs to control things who therefore we can still measure aggression from them. And we haven't really noticed a level of aggression interfering in our 2016 election was a hundred percent did interfering now with the craziness of conspiracy theories, et cetera, which history we'll eventually see was very much aided and abetted by them using Twitter and Facebook and things like that themselves pretending to be at your ad, may telling you false things and brainwashing people into craziness that stay for the still interfered with the 2020 election.
Speaker 1 00:58:27 Otherwise people were really fed up with the mismanagement by the Trump business. I don't call him president. He was not president because he never agreed to the terms of democratic election. The first election. He said, he wouldn't accept it unless he won the second election. He said he wouldn't accept it. Let's see what, and then he didn't accept. And he tried to overthrow. So that proves he never was operating within our system. As president people should be clear on that. And he's been remained an asset of the Russians as he showed by his delight in Putin's invasion of Ukraine, but she openly manifested and his, his, his, uh, mouse pieces like Tucker Carlson and Hannity, and those people who are just his mouthpieces also were, are also Benedict Arnold, mouthing Russian military propaganda. And I would, I personally believe that the Russian people would, by now I've turned those protests into uncontrollable because the police speaker police or the regular police would be unwilling to beat them all up. If they had the real knowledge of what he's really doing and what he's really using the Russian military to do in Ukraine, killing their relatives or mass. But they don't know that they're being told it's a police action and all kinds of fake news. They're getting talk about super fake news. They're getting it from the Kremlin or having shut down all independent media and made it a brightly capitalist speak to truth.
Speaker 1 00:59:59 So that's where we are. So the Buddhist say support the comedian, say the cheerleader and free the world and save the world. That's where we are. And this statue there, the picture that I have to my over my shoulder is the wonderful Tibetans sculpture of the face of the Buddha. Maitreya the future Buddha, which means the planet will be here a few thousand years from now with societies that will still speak Sanskrit English, and they still speak Russian. And then we're not going to be wiped out in nuclear Holocaust. And we are going to actually have a great 21st century when this kind of other guard type run countries have turned to more democratic countries where people will have their way, which is not to go Gilly in each other to make a living and to share with each other and to have a nice time and play video games or whatever.
Speaker 1 01:01:00 Oh, watch Olympics. That's my trail. The future Buddha, he'll be the loving one. He'll be there. And that's the real time behind me up there. And that also says that they will, there is this way. We built it in a series. 20th century was a series of a lot of final wars. And then the 21st spillover from that happened in the criminal invasion of Iraq by the United States. And then now the criminal invasion of Georgia and Ukraine by Zaras rush. And, um, they have to stop both of them. And, um, we have to own up to ours and we have to punish Obama was wrong to turn the page without punishing any of the leaders who had falsified reality in order to drag us into a criminal war, which is against the UN to invade someone who doesn't doesn't detect you, preemptive war is a criminal doctrine, not a good, knowledgeable new age, orphans criminal.
Speaker 1 01:02:07 So that's really just 20th century spilling over into 21st as is Bruton's attempt czarist Russia, and as will be China attempt to invade India or evade Siberia or the various places they really can invade. And they want to the plan to, if things keep going well for autographs, because they have to understand, this is why the dictatorship no longer functions. It's like military connects to a dictator type of king in traditional, uh, political theory and traditional type of king uses sport to deflect resentment of people. If that king is too oppressive on his own people. So that's the connection of dictatorial, kingship, and war. And then if you have either dictatorship and proletariat or some attempt to resurrect some imperialist dictatorship like Zara's dictatorship, then, then what that is, is trying to continue that situation in is in a time when, because of the power of weapons and the power of knowledge, Facebook, Twitter, people knowing about what each other's lives are like and wanting to have decent lives themselves and women having more say in societies that are more free and that's that situation such dictatorial government.
Speaker 1 01:03:33 And you can only have celebrity kinship, no, who are like, like movie stars or something, but don't have political power that's okay. And then, you know, the responsible democratic politics with prime ministers and presidents and things, you can have that. And then, and then that can get corrupted has to be cleaned up all the time and blah, blah, blah, that goes up. But you don't have the autocrat who can really falsify their whole life. You create an alternate reality within their country and then send people out to kill other people and be killed themselves. That's no longer doable our planet. It's absolutely. Jonathan shell proved it without Buddhism based on the velvet revolution and based on analysis of, on closets for your political scientists, the unconquerable world, he called it brilliant work. And, um, and, um, I'm arguing it from a Buddhist point of view as well. And it should be clear and common sense point of view, because that is that, that was Jonathan Sheriff's point of view. When you can only destroy the neighboring country who, or is no longer is, is no longer viable one and two, when war upon escalation leads to both sides, losing fours or other bride, either one.
Speaker 1 01:04:51 So thank you very much. A dedicated Meredith this to everyone becoming enlightened, not everyone becoming Buddhist is not necessary. Everybody coming in enlightened in the terms of their own common sense and kindness and good heart and president Putin, you have a good heart somewhere you'd like to go fishing into, uh, you know, you would like to ride your horses, whatever, you know, you have fun, have your, and you can arrange to not be. We didn't, we're not executing w for wrecking Iraq and Cheney. We might charge them a little something, some reparation fees. We're not gonna execute you. So you can back down and minimize the damage you're causing, which we'll just bounce back on you and find your good heart and your happiness, and you control that Savage temper of yours. Okay. You can do that. We're confident you can. You should. And you must don't bother with brandishing weapons that you cannot use. No one can use we can't, you can't and a cool down. Okay. And let's have a peace quicker. So we destroy less nice houses, less nuclear, power plants, less fields, less people. Okay. All the best that if it had merit,
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