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Speaker 3 00:00:48 This is episode 325 Lama Archetype of Raval Innocence.
Speaker 4 00:01:21 Hello everybody. I'm very happy to talk to you today. I have been waiting since the Chinese Communist Party attack video and public anti lama public relation campaign, uh, stormed, uh, the world of social media internationally. And they, they operate in 30 countries or something. Their assets, their, are their social media assets that they have, like the Russians also where the Russians may be helping them to try to blacken the name of Thema, which they did to gain some form of satisfaction for themselves in revenge for the DMAs. For two things he did, one, he did a south trip to Mongolia, stealth trip to Mongolia a year or two ago, I think before Covid was really full blouse. And, uh, found the reincarnation of the bogged Lama, namely the, the, the Lama of Tibet, the traditional dollar of Tibet. The previous one had lived to quite a ripe old age, but mostly lived in India and exile because of the communist government in Mongolia, of course, for the last 70, 80 years until the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 4 00:02:40 And, uh, then he went back a little bit to Mongolia, then he did die, and his 70 year old boy now, and that anyway infuriated them, them at the time as any dollar Lama watchers will remember. And then on top of that, just recently, a month or so ago, the dollar Lama initiated that 70 year old boy. And then he was shown on, on, um, on, uh, video in YouTube of a, of a several ceremonies in dorm cell. And that also infuriated them. So they planned this and they, they saw how their social media manipulator types saw how they could use the dial's expression of a traditional Tibetan expression of affection, not sexual affection, grandparent to child affection. And they could use that. And g and in the context of all of the scandals in the Catholic church of petty, petty of pedophilia and so on, they could get people to think, oh, Don Lama's dad anyway, which is actually an old trope in communist propaganda about Tibet.
Speaker 4 00:03:49 They hired some westerners when they first got in in the fifties into Tibet, and they hired Westerners who knew about the Protestant, you know, uh, capitalist, you know, Protestant ethic capitalist aversion to monks, an assumption that monks are all weirdos. And, um, you know, they, they had a wax museum about the Tibetans and they acted like the Tibetans were the ultimate borjas, even doing human sacrifice of children and all kind of horrible thing propaganda, which different people swallowed. Even George h w Bush. Um, after her visit to Tibet in the eighties, he, uh, seventies, I think seventies, seventies before, yeah, in the seventies when he was CIA director, he wrote some stuff from, um, Newsweek in Newsweek about visiting Ed Wax museum. And he swallowed that propaganda wholesale at that time. So that's what this, that's the first context. I'm putting this in. The second context is, and I've been waiting to make my own statement in defense of, of, uh, his holiness, or really not really.
Speaker 4 00:04:56 He doesn't need defense. He's the ultimately innocent person if there ever was. And a friendly and loving and, and kind and compassionate and, uh, innocent completely with no sexual nothing about anybody. And, uh, I was waiting to do that, to explain that to people, to see what else came up and whether, and I sensed when I originally saw the short one, which was a doctored video done by the Communist Party assets, who want blackened the dilemma as they've always tried to do. You know, he's evil. He's the head of the snake. He's like a wolf in sheep's clothing, all these terrible things. There be demon. He's a demonn. They say that. And for, they've been saying it for decades. They always do this to try to disguise their own destruction of Tibet and out of anger that the Tibetan people are still deeply loyal and deeply love and are deeply committed, dedicated to the spiritual eminence and holiness of his holiness.
Speaker 4 00:05:59 Who has been, who's an 87 year old celibate, monastic, genuine one. I have known him for 60, almost 60, 59 years. And, you know, I was a mon even in his order, I was ordained by him. Never laid a hand on me. <laugh> never did anything. And nor de nor did any other Tibetan mon ever do anything to me of any kind of that kind of thing, you know, suspicion that they're all sex star weirdos. They never did any such thing. And, uh, I've been known them very closely close, good friend for many, many years now to mention perhaps many lifetimes. And they're fine. And he is the most innocent person of all actually showing his affection for that little kid who seemed to need affection, he asked himself, I need a hug. I need a hug, you know, and his mom was right there and she was all into it with the kid.
Speaker 4 00:06:54 And then afterwards they were really happy. And afterwards their mom and the kids said how wonderful it had been there, meeting with his holiness and how delighted. And they broke a coconut. They sort of ba ambushed again, his holiness on his way out, slowly going with the monks, holding him up cuz it was bad like knee. And they did a coconut breaking offering with some kind of Indian ritual. I, I'm sure what? And, um, so the whole thing is preposterous really and ridiculous. Now, on the, on the announcement of this video, uh, there is a link to jig mala, wonderful young Tibetan man who gives a very thorough analysis of this in all dimensions, extremely excellent, and also plays the full video showing all the interactions, not just sort of taking out a little piece and trying to make it look bad, and then promoting it with negative PR as, as heavily as they can in 2030 languages, which is what the PRC did.
Speaker 4 00:07:56 And, um, so I want you all to see that if you're serious about wanting to understand what this is all really about. And, um, and so please do. And then there's another, um, uh, text thing that another Tibetan wrote that I'm gonna put in there about the, the expression, you know, in other words, he literally actually eat my tongue <laugh>, and that's Tibetans, uh, grandparent will do that to a grandchild who, to whom they've already given some candy, they've already had them kiss their grandpa or grandpa, either one. And then sort of their kind of pockets are emptied out. And they say to the kid, well, what do you want to eat my tongue <laugh>? And they go like that because Tibetans always do stick out the tongue. You know, the Tibetan to do that when they do that, if I do that to you online, I'll go, uh, I said, I'm not just doing a yoga gesture.
Speaker 4 00:08:53 Well, that is a yoga gesture, even in India to lengthen the tongue, you know, but, uh, uh, and relax the tongue muscle by stretching it, you know, like it's a yoga thing, uh, position for the face. But the depends, do that because that shows that you are completely vulnerable and open to the other person, and you respect them totally. And you're sort of, whatever they say or even whatever they breathe, you are ready to inhale it, you know? So you ah, you don't like that. And he shows that wonderful old video from old Tibet where a village headman is coming into a group of people who are receiving him, and then everybody's got their tongue out hanging out. And that's a little different from the grandparenting, but it's a very sort of typ, typical Tibetan sort of athletic form of physically showing reverence, affection, respect, and so on, and has nothing sexual about it whatsoever.
Speaker 4 00:09:50 And, um, but the Chinese realize with everybody's so flipped out with social media brainwashing about sexuality, that it could be used to try to like line people up in the line, the dial dilemma up in people's minds along with all the child abusing, you know, a little boy, mostly little boy abusing Mongolian priest. No, I mean, Catholic priests that have caused scandals and, and furor and everything rightly so in many, many countries. And, um, so I mean, I'm not blaming them, but, but, uh, it's the difficulties of their training and the whole situation there. And, uh, and that's another story. So the, but anyway, so this is the main thing about this. And then my own testimony has to do with his ho. And I want you to see that. And it's much better than whatever I can say. I have summarized a little bit of its points.
Speaker 4 00:10:46 But in my case, I have known his holiness since 1964. I was a young person myself, I was whatever, you know, his ho or any other Tibetan monk that I hung out with for that many years as a monk. First that I reverted myself to lay status simply because there was no support in America really for monks. And, um, my wife is very determined that I always say it like that. She doesn't want to be seen as having lured me away from my celibacy, which I've maintained for three or four years, five, almost five years in my twenties. Uh, and in other words, she wants it to be known for sure that I resigned on principal. That and following the advice of my original teacher who said, yes, I know you sincerely wanna be a monk for life, but the culture you live in will not support you as a monk for life.
Speaker 4 00:11:42 Instead, you'll be a regular lay person. You go to a university, be a professor, and et cetera, et cetera. And that's what I did. But I've known him closely and all different Tibetans and the ones who are celibate are really celibate. They have really celebrated their sublimated their energy, and they are really fr they can be friendly, loving, and energized. They're not anybody's fantasy of someone who's celibate as being somehow deprived because they have, you know, they're sort of deep subliminal affectional energies are manifested in their speech and their teaching and their artistic work and their, and their general cheerfulness in life and doesn't require the sexual outlet. And, and this again, in Freudian psychology is practically incomprehensible to the Westerners who think that anybody who's not somehow active in that way must be repressed and messed up. And in fact, they're not. They are sublimating the energy and they are not any way sexual active or aggressive or sneakily.
Speaker 4 00:12:48 I mean, in general, you know that obviously there will be bad ANGs here and there maybe in the, in the, in the whole millions of Tibetans. But, uh, but definitely not his holiness his in fact his holiness in the last 70 years when they've been in exile, he, his own purity and his own strictness actually about everything has in, has, has inspired the Tibetan people in exile where they have hundreds of thousands, they will say 800,000, the media says, but it may be 150 by an now in India, Nepal, and all around the world. And out of them, 15 20% of the both males and females are celibate monastics the equivalent of monks and nuns, mendis, you know, and they are mostly completely pure. Again, there are may be some individual violators of that, but if discovered, they will be kicked out of the monastery.
Speaker 4 00:13:43 And that's important for them because the place for the real heavy duty spiritual education, the meditation, education, visualization practices that they do is being celibate and not bringing sexuality or family values. And, you know, becoming a mandiant monk, male or female monk or nun in the Buddhist order is, I have le I leave the home for the state of homelessness. I leave the family for the, for adopting the whole universe as my family, you know, being tr treating everyone, all animals, even not just all humans as sort of living beings like me being equal to me and equally deserving of my love and care and affection, but, but not sexual pro and families and all of that. So I can testify from 59 years to the sincerity and the purity and the radical innocence. And actually people, if even looking at the bad video, if you see it, it's just so, he's just so open and so kind.
Speaker 4 00:14:46 And it's like, ah, you know, <laugh>, I'm like, like the Gaga grandpa who's trying to reassure the young kid who said he needed a hug from like the quote on the, like the highest religious person in the big assembly of hundreds and hundreds of people. And he's showing I'm, I'm everybody's grandpa that he even says, you can hear in the longer world, we are all, well, we are all one family. We're all brothers and sisters. And he always says that. So he's like being a grandpa or a grandma. And, um, he does it in a sweet way like my tongue, which, which he is editing himself, not saying eat my tongue, which is what the debets would say in Tibetan. But he says that is, which is actually, and it makes it sound positive, but the way it's like, do, don't you have enough? Now? What do you want to eat? My tongue is that kinda thing. That's what it is for a grandpa who, who wants to tell the kid No more candy, no more coins, no more hugs and kisses. Now you know, grandpa loves you. So now, now don't bug me anymore. Or do you what? Or do you want to eat my tongue? That's, that's actually what it's about.
Speaker 4 00:15:56 You know, Sam means to eat horrific for the tongue and, uh, and uh, is mine, you know, that's all it is. So come on, let's calm down. Everybody. Do not project that tho those people who are communists and hate religion or who are some kind of seculars, I think religions have caused all the murders and all the disasters in history. You can revel in this, uh, outrage routine that people are social media are pumping up, you know, which are all their bots, the Russian bots, the Chinese bots, they, they even selling it to Qan on people, you know, to anything to go against kindness, peacefulness, you know, optimism, hope, you know, restoring life, you know, giving back the future to Greta Turnberg and this young kid, this young Indian kid and other young people and showing the, an older generation genuinely cares for you and wants the planet not to be wrecked so that they can make money <laugh>, which is what too much of the adults are doing on this planet.
Speaker 4 00:17:02 Why the, the younger generations feel anxious. And so totally innocently just being a to a Tibetan, you know, and, and not thinking twice about how Westerners don't understand that, they'll know that part of the culture. I didn't really know that so well personally, even after 60 years of knowing them. I didn't really know the weight or the, the, the prevalence widespread thing of that expression. What do you want to eat? My tongue <laugh>. I didn't really realize it until this incident. And in a way I think about backfire on the CCP as it always has. Where they try to make out the depends are Borge, their monks are no good. They're not working day and night for the, for the communist dictatorship, imperium colonialist thing that are genocide the Tibetan people still today. And we'll get them to abandon Tibet again because they'll get to hate Mr.
Speaker 4 00:17:58 Tibet, which is his holiday. Everybody knows him and everybody likes him on the planet because he is likable. He's really nice. He's the best, nicest person. So that's all I wanted to say. I don't wanna go in too long. I hope this will go on YouTube. And I hope the links to the young Tibetans who are saying and printing and showing the right way to people about their adored and beloved and highly relied upon and trusted. Great 14th holy dilemma of Tibet. They also have a lot to say and we should listen to them. So I hope you'll do that. Thank you for attending to me. I dunno how long this went. I hope it wasn't too long. All the best. Okay, cheer up. He's not a bad guy. He's not a wolf and sheep slowly. He's really a very nice old grandpa of a, willing to be a family member of everyone. Adopt everyone as his grandson or granddaughter or brother or sister. Okay, all the best. Thank you.
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