Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 Welcome to my Bob Thurman podcast. I'm so grateful. Some good friends enabled me to present them to you. If you enjoy them and find them useful, please think of becoming a member of Tibet house us to help preserve Tibetan culture. Tibet house is the Dal Lamas cultural center in America. All best wishes. Have a great day.
Speaker 1 00:00:27 This is episode 27, titled bliss is legal.
Speaker 0 00:00:33 We have too much rain actually, and every time it rains nowadays, since Jerry Brown is an old friend of mine and I have a lot of friends. I hope I have a lot of friends among you here in California. I feel badly for you. And I wish we could share some of the rain, which we have excessive amount up to Hudson valley. You know, it comes up there, but so this is a problem of the global overheating. I always think the global warming expression is a little bit too polite. It's rather overheating and a global over from Buddhist analysis of the current situation of the world. The global overheating comes from consumerism and out of control, consumer industrialization and, um, you know, too much enjoyment of consumer things and consumer products and so on. And this pumps this, uh, carbon into the atmosphere and methane and so on and from the terrible, a area of agriculture is done and the beef industry and so on.
Speaker 0 00:01:31 And, um, and so it come from the Buddhist point of view. You know, there are these three poisons that make life intolerable, which are greed, hatred and delusion. So greed is magnified by consumer industrialization and it's destroying our lives and our grandchildren's lives and children's lives very, very definitely. And we are not as a mass. I mean, individuals among us may be taking very strong steps, but, uh, and hopefully we are ecologically conscious. I'm sure most of you are. And, um, better than me, I'm sure, but, um, but on mass, we're not doing that and therefore we're ruining the planet in that way very quickly and dramatically. And then the second thing is militar, which is another huge disease that we have, which of course is the magnification technological magnification of hatred. And, um, militar sucks up a huge amount of world, um, energy and, uh, eco economy and is very unproductive and very dangerous.
Speaker 0 00:02:37 And, and there's, and the militarists who are the governments who are all our so-called world leaders are very frustrated actually today and where we're having a sort of global downturn in the economy has to do with the lack of demand in the economy. You know, that there is that there's more overproduction than things and there's not enough demand. So the normal thing to do would have a nice world war and kill. A lot of people destroy a lot of real estate and buildings and things, and then rebuild it all. And then, then they would continue to make money and they would sell weapons in the war to all sides. And then they would rebuild everything afterwards and repair it, try to repair it until they did it. The next re reboot, which is war, but they're very frustrated cause they can't have a world war.
Speaker 0 00:03:23 All they have is few terrorists who run around, who are UN not pleasant. I quite agree, but, but, um, there's not a world war. So it does, you don't make as much money. And then the weapons you send out to various idiots are then taken over by terrorists. And then you have to fight your own weapons, which is good for the weapon makers, because then they blow up both directions and they sell more. And uh, you know, five security council, veto power wielding nations, including ourselves on five biggest arms dealers in the world. And we wonder why we don't have peace. Well, that would be bad for business. Wouldn't it? So, so that's it. So that those two and then delusion is magnified. The delusion is magnified by propaganda. You know, by media, we love media actually, and California, we have Hollywood cetera, but media is unfortunately pretty much constrained into propaganda, giving us unrealistic view of life and um, you know, making us discontented, right?
Speaker 0 00:04:27 You turn on TV and you get nowadays half an hour show, you get like five or the 11 minutes, maybe of commercials, which make you feel discontent. So you thought you were happy with your own Jap or your own jacket or your shoe, and then pretty soon your, or even your old party. And then after a few commercials, tell them, no, it's no good. I have to have another one. And then you switch to news and then, you know, they talk, they show you some terrorists and a few murders and some auto accidents, and then you feel paranoid and frightened. So Discontentment and fear is per pervades. You, so therefore you tolerate the other stuff. Okay. So, I mean, this is just, I'm just drawing a picture, which is, I think you all recognize, and hopefully some of us have, have a less or less bothered by it than others.
Speaker 0 00:05:19 If we practice some kind of mindfulness or whatever, or do some DMA practice or something or some other altruistic thing, but basic to think, but basically that's, the world situation is pretty much like that. And in so-called underdeveloped countries, they're eager to get into the same level of misery that we have mental misery is that physical misery. So what is the gift of the Tibetans? The Tibetans, the Tibetans themselves do not claim that they originated the knowledge that they bring to the world, ironically, in this situation where they have been completely wiped out in their own country and their country is kind of a giant ULA. Actually, it's a kind of prison camp where it really has been, but there have been various moments in the eighties. There were some freer moments, but since 94 it's been pretty much locked down. And then especially since 2008, when there was a, basically a mostly non-violent rebellion throughout all of the Tibetan plateau, the Chinese have been, have locked down to bed a hundred percent.
Speaker 0 00:06:22 I, I met a woman today at a mindfulness and compassion conference over in San Francisco who was in tears telling me about her trip to Tibet in 2012 and how completely oppressed. And she, her grandmother was in the Holocaust in Germany. And she was just in tears to see that this is happening today. She really was. And, um, anyway, so, so the Tibetans that has happened to them, and yet there are Tibetan centers all over the world. Thousands of them, many people have learned something that has improved their lives from them. They, I think their cultural influence will be, felt much more widely. And what is the source of that cultural influence? Uh, some of you may be familiar with Arnold Toby, great British historian who wrote 12 volume study of history. And, um, and then he has a summary of that, that I recommend if anybody has not looked at that called mankind and mother earth, which is a one volume summary sort of popular written text.
Speaker 0 00:07:21 And in that he elaborates a concept that came from earlier, historians called the axial age and the axial age is around the middle of the first millennium before the common era or BC, as you would say, in, in some quarters in religious studies, we say before the common era BCE. And in that period of time, you have the presocratics coming down to the platonic academy. You have the dure, Isaiah who collected the Taman and the old Testa, the Jewish Bible, the old Testament, you have ster in Iran, you have the Panha stages in India and the Buddha and Mave of the James. You have Confucius in China. So all of your Asia, there is a similar movement that happens and this movement create there. You know, teachings are given at that time, that shape all of those different cultural streams indelibly. And so, for example, if you go to Columbia or Harvard or, or Stanford or UC Berkeley or anything in the wonderful Jerry Brown's dad created, uh, California system, you, you are part of a culture that comes from the, from, uh, the Judaic culture and from the Greek culture and still the ideals of those cultures, we sort of are educated to try to live up to.
Speaker 0 00:08:42 I was walking with my friend in San Francisco today. We looked at a middle school and it said, no man has ever done. Anything's great, except that they conquer themselves Plato. And that was so great because that's, that's like a Buddhist statement, just same statement, actually, that Buddha's whole thing was if the real, if you want to do something in life, that's really great. You have to conquer yourself, conquer others is a complete waste of time boring. They really don't like it. And it's unsatisfying to you and, uh, uh, uh, which is the counter, the counter proposition. But, uh, and so that was that Confucius did the same kind of thing. And LA and a little different wave was a little more of a dropout, a little more of a heavy, but the Confucius was, but they basically said the same thing Z asked her similar things in the Iranian stream and, uh, the Jews and the very similar thing in the Judaic extreme.
Speaker 0 00:09:36 And so really the, the, the sort of trends of all of the main Sian streams of culture, which dominate the world today, which was very beautifully analyzed by Jared diamond in his wonderful book, gun, germs, and steel about that. Uh, they, the, they were formed in the axial age and then Toby says, and Toby was in no way, any kind of a Buddhist, but Toby says that of all those axial age, great teachers who founded these great movements that still dominate the cultures, all the cultures in which they, they happen out there, the Budha was the most successful and he doesn't do it because of some sort of religious superiority or any other things. The reason he was is that India, he doesn't put it like this, but India was the wealthiest of the Urian cultures, 2,500 years ago. I like to, I put it this way, which is very appropriate here in this audience.
Speaker 0 00:10:32 India was the California of UIA. 2,500 years ago, the women were stronger. That means, and therefore the men were happier. You know, they did have to poke around under the bed looking for the, but parents, but they were more cheerful where the men are dominating. They're miserable, they get bad food, they get bad sex, they don't get it even. And then therefore they go out and kill each other, but they're so frustrating. And, uh, and so they live in these backward cultures where women are crushed down and then men aren't miserable and violent. And it's really horrible. So, but India was way ahead, way ahead of all. It was no way. Perfect. There were a lot of show. There was still the male patriarchal family and so forth in India system, but they tolerated a critic of that, a challenger to that, which was the putout, but he it's the same challenging way that the presocratics were doing that the, the, that the LA was doing et cetera, same way in which this was challeng, but he got away with more of it.
Speaker 0 00:11:34 You know, Confucius never got tenured because the Chinese were poor and the rules didn't tolerate people dropping out and going off to some Z center or some Dharma center, they didn't tolerate. And similarly, the Greeks photoc was given a HeLOCK milkshake. Remember why for talking to the football team against Sparta, you know, and telling them they should think philosophically rather than Mike makes. Right. Right. He was already getting him to question. So he was corrupting the youth. That means, that means corrupting the troops. We still see that going on today. <laugh> among certain people in our country, even, you know, liberal academia liberals have become a bad word in know over militarized, completely hysterically propaganda by country since about 30 years now. And, uh, so, so therefore to be predicted to everyone shot, because he was like a British guy with like a pipe party and a tweet, the pipe and the Tweed jacket.
Speaker 0 00:12:31 He wasn't an kind DMA person, but he said that the most important event of the 20th century was Western cultures, you know, encounter with Buddhist civilization. That's what he said. And people were like, what? Because of course people thought by that he meant some sort of religious thing. Like somehow Buddhism was gonna come and convert everybody to Buddhism. And there are some Buddhists who think that, of course, but that's completely not what he meant because he doesn't talk about those great founders 2,500 years ago as like some sort of religious fanatics. Some of them did found things that became religion. And you could say that for Buddha, Buddhism is a religion in a way, but actually, if you know what Buddhism is, it really isn't a religion it's or I, I have a rather a little bit rude way of putting it. So I don't put it this way in every context.
Speaker 0 00:13:23 But Buddhism is a religion for those people who cannot use the Buddhist educational system, who therefore believe that it's nice and they support the people who are doing it. And they think that this will be helpful and they'll get married, but really it's an educational system. And what is the proof of that? That's a proof of that is simple argument. What was bud as discovery, bud as discovery was Nirvana people. Some people like the previous Pope, two previous pops, they thought bud earth discovery was suffering. Oh. And they were really upset about it. They thought, how can anybody see that everything is suffering? Oh, that's so sad. We're so happy. We're here in Italy, Gucci, Gucci, you know, the pops wear red, Gucci, Gucci, especially, I don't think and stuff. I bet he wears like Buster brown, like the, but the two previous guys did.
Speaker 0 00:14:21 And so they, you know, they, they thought would've discovered suffering, but you'd have to be an idiot not to know about suffering. It doesn't take a put out or even in semi person to discover suffering. All you have to do is stub your toe or, or give birth. And you didn't know about suffering right away. So nobody discovered, everybody knew about suffering. What bud discovered was freedom from suffering. He actually experienced it. And he said, wow, there's such a thing as Nirvana. Whoa. And it is Indian restaurant in the central park, south in New York, in Nirvana is a restaurant. And I'm sure there may be some out here in California, but the Nirvana wood discovery, wasn't just their restaurant. It was actually reality. And this is something people forget because of course there is a dualistic version of Buddism, you know, which says that, well, this world is suffering and to change and Nirvana somewhere else, not this world, you leave this world.
Speaker 0 00:15:25 You're going to Nirvana. You know, there's, that's what I call du Tebo. Buddhism is like that. And Maha Tebo is not the only school, but all of the original dualistic bud schools and dualism just means that there are two realities. There's the, there's this world reality. And there's another reality outside of this world. And you leave this world, you go to Nirvana and that sort of, that can be Fued as a kind of religious state. So therefore do something to leave the world. But that isn't really what's best teaching cuz it isn't logical. But I was very logical. If Revana was somewhere else, it cannot be an absolute state. It cannot be reality. It's just another place, right? Because if you, if there's a boundary between if and this world, then if you just cross the boundary and it's a, that makes it a relational place.
Speaker 0 00:16:16 And if you there's a state of being Inana, that's separate from your being here then it's just, um, relative state and the unreliable, like all other changeable states. So the thing about Nirvana is, but, but I've said when he was being more logical, he said to a sort of audience that could kind of take it. He said, Nirvana is reality itself and always has been. And therefore you don't enter it. Actually. You discover that you've always been in it is what you discovered. So that's a strange thing to say. That means that if we are not free of suffering right now, if we're not in bliss right now and you're in California, so you're trucks <laugh> except for a little water problem. Right? Otherwise you're. But if we are not aware of that, that means we are not aware of reality. We're aware of we are stuck in an unreal, we're stuck in a delusion and we think it's like the matrix, you know, it's like, we think this is the real thing here where we are.
Speaker 0 00:17:25 And, and then we think, and each person here is the real thing you each person think. I think so I'm Bob German. I'm really Bob. And you would think you're the real thing, each one of you. Right? And therefore, each one of us has a terrible predicament death because we think we are the real thing about ourselves. Right? Then we sort of sneakily think we are a little more important than any other real thing around there because we are not sure they're the real thing we know real. Right? And then the third step on that one is we are a little paranoid and dissatisfied about it because they don't treat us like the more important real thing, which one of us is, has the mom thought we were more important for a short time during the, and if you are in love with somebody they're in love with you, then they think you're the real thing for a short time and they hope you real. And if both of you think the other one is the real thing, that's why everybody else didn hate the two of you and you get done it.
Speaker 0 00:18:45 So the point is that if we think we are the real thing and everything else is really different, we are overwhelmed by our struggle, the universe and by the universe expanded or to appreciate how real we really are. Isn't that that's so simple and it's not even complicated. It's really simple. So that was so Bud's discovery was wow. The real thing is this total interwoven way of life with no limit and in a way really there's no other being really unreal. Yeah. There's kind of so weather and we have to be responsible for ourselves and this and that, but there's no absolute difference between us and any other. We're all interconnected completely a hundred percent, not just all humans, all animals, even plants, the planet, everything is totally interconnected. And somehow this is of course hard to believe even, but we're so used to being miserable, isolated, and all alone and struggling against life and death and sickness in the world on.
Speaker 0 00:19:51 But unbelievably, if we realize that we are really all of it really then somehow that really cheers that you think it would, there's famous book. There's a thing like, Ooh, I don't want to be everybody. I hate having Morehead myself. But if I was everybody else that had over there headache, that would be terrible. But apparently when you really realize you, everybody else, you don't have a headache. I don't know why. I, I I'm hoping true. I'm hoping I didn't, I don't pretend to be in light and I've discovered it. But I do. I will admit to having a very strong idea about it. Actually I must admit my wife scolded me recently about my, how I always intensely deny how I've enlighten, which I do, especially around the house or I get real trouble. But she said, no. Yeah, but you that's correct. You're an idiot, but <laugh>, but in a way you are more enlightened that most people, so it would discourage them too much.
Speaker 0 00:20:53 If you keep insisting how UN enlightened you are. So shut up and admit to a bit of enlight. I have that license. I do, but, but I'm not that light 48 years we've been married and I have not yet been accepted as a disciple. I've still been aspirate. You know, like in this end center where you sit out and mud in the rain temple, I I'm in that state, but I have shown improvement. I'm near the door now after 48 years, you know, and probably 48 lifetimes, I, I would say even so, okay. So, so therefore Buddhism is based on a really cheery idea, which is that reality is blitz it's Nirvana. And he was, oh, he never said blitz right away. Don't say this. No, no, because people get suspicious as you all know, but you're better off here in California than the, but you know, bliss or real happiness, sort of random happiness.
Speaker 0 00:21:56 That bumpers particular, random happiness for no reason. It's always illegal. It's not only suspect suspect. It's illegal. Usually like you you're a mate or you're a roommate or you're a kid or your parent, they come home something, they say I'm so I don't know why. And what do you do? You give them like some drug, you know, downer, their men cycle. What's gonna happen to them. They'll kill tomorrow. What did they drink? What did they take? Right. You suspected. So he didn't say place just to treat him from suffering. But that's, I mean that place he later filled in it's place. So reality is this. So suffering is UN unreal. Now why that, why is that good? Because reality will, is eventually overwhelmed. Reality, right? Reality is not real. So therefore it's less strong than reality. You follow me. So that means ignorance is not BLIS.
Speaker 0 00:22:56 Ignorance is suffering and wisdom is list breaking past ignorance and understanding what is real. So that means therefore, the more that you understand about reality, the happier you are, the less you live in denial, the HAPPI Euro denial makes you more unhappy. You, they, oh, that fine. I, or I won't think about death. I'm American. We just zip 'em up in a bag and shuffle to the, to the heavenly risk, you know? And then either God takes care of them or they don't exist. So therefore at least they have anesthesia. And I don't believe that cut. That's some weird things from Asia and I'm set, but to hear this absolute rock from some people when meanwhile, nobody gets out here again, that's Abe slope. Nobody's gonna get out here just by dying. That's ridiculous. If that was the case, why would people go to Z centers and should turn the wall and they'd get little uncomfortable and have like pains in their back, but really like bam exist.
Speaker 0 00:24:04 But people don't do that unless they're really confused because everyone's senses and everything. Everyone in life has ever experienced is come to. Nobody has ever seen something, become nothing, no scientists at MIT and Harvard. They tend people over. We know that church, your life don't know. It's just your brain. You're just a brain. There's nothing else. That's your brain. That, that guy who had a proof of heaven or Alexander, they hated, he was a neuro scientist. His blame was flat line for like half, like half a day. And he was all marching around heaven. Then he came back. Oh, he's really that he's a trait. Why I'd like to ask you this question, who can prove that there's gonna be nothing after death? Who has the proof of that? Who reported that? Hey guys, I have nothing now until school just die, you get environment store.
Speaker 0 00:25:03 If something goes wrong, cause you're just gonna be nothing. So at least it can't be worse than anesthesia who reported back an hour and who is ever report back. Nobody, obviously those guys, they think they discovered nothing and they want a prize. They want to get a science prize. We're struggle, nothing, all that other stuff was religion. Scar people out of Sunday, Sunday contributions in the plank. Oh, it's life. You need to worry for. You do need to worry. Just like you worry about the future, your pension, especially in America where they'll confiscate your pension, if they can a greater, but you do worry about it. And you should. It's practical. You can be in the moment and worry about the future without being really too freaked out. And as long as echo it's catch you.
Speaker 0 00:25:54 But, but, but you can. But, but these that practical and normal and then a little worrying about the future life is also really important. People who worry about the future life, they didn't make nuclear problems to destroy their planet. They are not ignoring the needs of their grandchildren and children because they might be their own grandchildren and great grandchildren. They're aware of it. And uh, and so they kind of, that gives you a certain hesitancy about going all the way to the max. You know, the nearest person is very reckless cause they think the worst thing can happen. Them is just a quick boom that they bought. But you know what? Every one of us had fallen asleep every night, some of us for many years. And when we did, we were tired and worked hard. It was a really great thing. We didn't serve and say, oh, I don't want to lose consciousness and be unconscious and go into the oblate and deep sleep.
Speaker 0 00:26:50 Oh no, no, we didn't sit there. We said, thank goodness. But what happens? We get thrown up into a dream. We get, we have to wake up the next day. It's a big pain. No, we don't stay unconscious. So we've had that experience of dis of disappointment. Many times. I know you all wake up really fresh and happy and cheerful. Not really, right. Especially when the alarm goes off and have to go to work. And so on. You know, the massive people have heart attacks, type a personalities who are working for nothing but money and they feel there's no meaning in their life. You know, when they have their heart attacks, 8:30 AM Monday morning. That's when the majority of the heart attacks and strokes occur. Do Don like that. So, so what is this gift of the dependents is ancient. India had a more full Socratic, Isaiah Confucian thst moment with a bigger neutral, you know, instead of just the dialogues of Plato, they had that 5,000 dialogues and play the entire, uh, there's a figure that the entire number of COEs scenes that, that are the root manuscripts in Aramaic, Egyptian Greek, uh, that give us what the idea of classical culture was that we had Roman and Alaia, Roman and Greek in Judaic and Egyptian culture that you know, our, our Western stream is based on is approximately 30,000 S the parallel body of ancient manuscripts in India is 3 million and counted just like the population of India.
Speaker 0 00:28:32 So good achievement now. And, you know, India actually much bigger than China. It seems to live about same size as China at 1.2 billion India, because the British carved off Bengal and Sydney, you know, Del where they call Pakistan, which is really India. But as those were added in, India's almost 2 billion, the biggest country in the world, except for the British division. Yeah. And, um, so they were the animal so much bigger, many Morens since they had 20 Africans, you know, 20 like of Alexandria, this kind thing. Right. And that was a great knowledge that they weren't perfect and they had problems, but they were better with their women. Basically. They were, they were better with their language. They was, you know, people often ask me why you like so much the Eastern Indian and Tibetan cultures. Why you like that? You were brought in New York, you went to Phillips, Harvard, really all this, and how come you ran out here?
Speaker 0 00:29:35 You know, it's a bad way to, and I, I love to annoy them nowadays. I used to say something about spiritual, but I don't, I, I say I was looking for a San alphabet when I grew up. I didn't like the crazy alphabet. Did you ever really reflect, you all learned, you know, a, B, C, D, what is the R reason of that ordering of sounds? Has anybody had anybody tell me a, B, C a is not a, ah, B is a consonant, ah, C has never seen choosing cat. I mean, what is with that alphabet <laugh> who cooked him and how smart were they? Really, you know, Sandra alphabet is all organized, which then comes down to Hindi and other language, modern languages. It's all organized linguistic it's general linguistics. As a science was invented by Russian and German scholars where they discovered C in the 18th century and the British climb later in their empire.
Speaker 0 00:30:45 But, but the idea that did you ever think about it? Try to make the sound of a continent without a vow, say a C without a valve, try to say B, you go, all you can is go <laugh> a content is just a position of the Mount lips, teeth, tongue. And it's a position from which a valve makes a sound. And, uh, there are some in some now I won't read that. So, so, so I never heard that harm about that. What? That this blah, blah, blah, you talk you're in ABC. You learn that. So shut up.
Speaker 0 00:31:28 But, so that's what I say. So, so the gift, so then, however, in a thousand years ago, and they had medicine, really excellent. They had all kind of, and they considered that the most important science nowadays in America, we have the mindfulness CRAs. I am here also at a conference over at San Francisco state where they're having a conference called mindfulness and compassion, or have you probably lot of you practiced mindfulness meditation, have you, some of you, anybody done mindfulness. And so that, yeah, little bit that great. So you're happier than other people. No, you are you're first. You are a little unhappy, but you looked at what is going on in my mind. Whoa, like five extra channels that I don't even like that ABC NBC that's all church around my mind. My grandfather was there. My father, I have Walter in there, older people know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 0 00:32:22 Voice of reality, that Walter, when we used to have news. So first of when you first do mindfulness, you get a little nervous because you realize there's a whole cacophony of my mind inside your mind. But then once you get to you see it and you can move around, you develop a little bit of critical awareness and you can change channels. You have like a clicker. You finally get a clicker in your own mind from one channel to another. When one voice inside your mind says, I should be really bad. That person and all your adrenaline and your court zone is flowing. And you feel like horrible. And you, and, and when you do that, you, another way you can like click where you come and say, no, that's not so bad. What am I? You look at it in another angle and a different perspective on it.
Speaker 0 00:33:06 And you, you, you're more free in your reactivity, right? I don't see that with the white blonde hair. Right? You did mind from second. See that. So you are a little freer about your reaction, right? When uncle Joe press your butt, you can either react or not react, cuz you're not a victim of that, but you can, you can shift from that's why my okay, mindfulness is a minor but important, but it's, it's a, it's a minor technique to developed by centuries of mind science because in ancient India, Buddhist, Hindu doesn't matter. Jane, all of them realize that the most important thing about your life is your mind and your own ability to master your mind because you can be in the best environment. Really everything hap should be happy and great. And something bothers you emotionally and you're missing, right? Like the guy who's angry is the loving little baby girl comes in saying, hi, daddy, you bit on my face.
Speaker 0 00:34:04 Cause they're anger makes them unable to appreciate. Cause they're reacting, they're trapped by some involuntary reaction and they choose to go with it. My voice gives you much bigger range of choice and gives you an ability to kind of create gaps in your reaction. So you can choose to move this way or that way. It's really, really important. Nowadays. My wife is a fanatic Devee of Korean soap, opera opera, south Korean sounds, Korean soap operas. They select hundred talented abbeys going on there. <laugh> no really they're really fantastic. If you have Roku and you ever watch drama fever, you can watch these great things. And one of the things, that's a name team in those soap operas. I don't know how they got to that idea, cuz none of they're not, they're not Buddhist really anymore, but their culture is shaped by it. But now a lot of them have become Protestants evangelists.
Speaker 0 00:34:54 Their Catholic are so freaked out. I was once met them and they said, what happened? We were there for centuries and we got like three Congress. And those Baptist just showed up back to very war who they all went rushing off to Christian. But I think I like that they didn't that frankly, I'm not like a fanatic police because you know, their notion of Buddhism was like some Z bag. They're like, look it really grumpy. And then they, you know the baby, I mean poor Jesus when he's going through his hard time with the Romans, it flicking says simple as Jesus. It's like maybe not so cheery, but little baby Jesus is cute. <laugh> and he's nice to be nice. Try cheat. Don't do all this nasty stuff. It's very cool. So it's kind of like the sweetness of our look at this. It's all in the same bag of so I think it's great.
Speaker 0 00:35:44 But anyway, what I'm trying to say is that one thing that all the bad guys always say Korea is so progress is that's the reason world is, you know, I do it and then they do some problem. They have to pay like this vaccinate somebody. And that's your one, you're an idiot if you don't think so. And the good guys, they say, no, you can't make an excuse. That that's how it takes. So that's the way it is. You can't do that. Actually. You did what you did because you chose to do it and you could choose to do something better and change your work. You could do that. So that's the key thread, all those so far. They're really cool. If anybody, if you don't have real good, if you wanna watch them, they said something have 80 episodes and my wife has to watch all of them and I wish I could, but I watch about 30 or 40 in between. And, and I, I don't get my work done. It's so great.
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