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[00:00:48] This is episode 335, a happy Easter tribute.
[00:01:20] Also, today is the time of Rabbi Jesus.
[00:01:24] And I'm following Neem Karoli Baba and being truly happy about poor Jesus.
[00:01:32] Although there is some scholarship about who Jesus really was. That is quite shocking actually. But anyway, Rabbi Jesus, and you know, he was a great rabbi. Rabbi Hillel was only 60 years or so later, afterwards taught the same, turned the other cheek and nonviolence and the same whole thing. So it doesn't matter whether Jesus was God or he was a prophet, or he was a great yogi or teacher.
[00:02:04] And the Buddhists, Tibetan Buddhists see Jesus as a mahasida, the great adept who was capable of going to the death state and coming back and staying, staying in the body. In other words, going to the place where the soul can be separated from the body. If you, if you're tired of the body or the body is in pain or whatever it is. One of the wonderful things about a sentient being is that when you're being tortured, you can die.
[00:02:37] That's the best way to escape, to torturer.
[00:02:40] You know, when they're doing horrible things to you, you just. That you just leave. And of course, materialists think, although in a way they think that was the thing, then you're extinguished forever because you don't have a soul, you don't have an inner spirit, you don't have a mind even. It's just an epic phenomenon of the brain. That's what our culture thinks. You know, I don't know what religion you are or whether you are religious or not, but the culture, the religion of the culture is secularism, which is that we live recklessly and we disconnected from everything, because ultimately we will be disconnected from everything, right? You realize that. And even you have a strong belief in future life or formal life. When you have orient and you have a doctrinal belief in it subliminally. The consensual thing is be here now, you know, get it all now you only have one life to live. Make the best of it, you know, this kind of thing, which is actually the tragic thing about that is then everything you do is meaningless.
[00:03:47] Ultimately, it's like meaningful to you temporarily, but it's ultimately meaningless. And therefore, there's still really no point in being really good.
[00:04:00] And like Rabbi, Jesus was willing to sacrifice himself or others, which is why he used to weep. You know, Ram Dass's teacher, he used to weep when he would mention Jesus and he was talking to a bunch of jewish people who didn't see Jesus as the messiah.
[00:04:19] And neither do the Muslims, neither does anybody else other than the Christians.
[00:04:26] Oh, thanks. Really hard. Wow. Okay. No, that's okay. So good to get to it. Fine, fine. Leave it, leave it. No, no, no.
[00:04:33] So the thing is, there's a very funny statement in the guru Samadhi tantra that if you don't stay with the body, even when you open the heart chakra completely, so you can sort of live from your soul, so you can do without the body, because you can make another one or find a better one or whatever.
[00:05:00] If you then do leave, when you're a person who was a yogi and you developed and then you became where you could, could actually leave the body, they said, well, that'll be fine, you know, you can make a body in one of the pure lands where there are the yogines or the Dakanese or the angels, whatever it is.
[00:05:19] But the problem then is you'll never be famous.
[00:05:24] And when you read that, I remember when I first read that, I was like, what? Who cares? You know? Tell me. Ok. Why would they care about being famous? You know, it's like reach the level of massive bliss where they can open the soul, open the soul to reality, and it can be that. Be every cell in their body. They experience things with every fingertip, with every cell, you know, with every micro, because they've achieved the micro infinite, what I call the micro infinite.
[00:05:52] You know, you think if you go to the micro, you'll get to zero pretty quick. But you never get to zero actually, because zero isn't there. Zero means there's nothing there, so you never get there. And you.
[00:06:05] It's like the Samantha badra in the flower ornament sutra, when you samata vajra, this bodhisattva, the all good bodhisattva.
[00:06:15] And there's a female one, male and female one both. And the of bodhisattva, whenever they do anything, they feel there's another universe in every atom of the course environment that they're in.
[00:06:28] Like every universe, in every atom, in every one of our bodies, in every molecule and every cell is another universe. And we're all doing the same thing in that other universe, and then in that other universe, it's in every atom on my fingertip, which are running countless atoms on one finger. And every universe in there, and every atom of each universe in there, there's another universe. We're also doing everything. And in that micro, micro, micro universe, it just goes on endlessly like that. Never reaches nothing.
[00:07:03] Kind of fun. Although then it's like Nietzsche, his idea of the eternal recurrence, you know, that one? Does anybody know that one? Well, that was one of his brilliant things, because he was definitely the reincarnation of an indian or tibetan yogi. And in the west, you know, at that time, and he came up with an idea that you should never do anything that you wouldn't be willing to repeat eternally, perpetually. So, in other words, if you just, even if you move your hand, gesture this in that way, it should be an act of beauty and you wouldn't mind repeating forever, like, you know, when you run a video back and forth at the end of the eternal recurrence. So that means you're living in a state of pure beauty at all times, love, which means you're in love with everything, right?
[00:07:58] So, yeah. So therefore, the idea that what you do when you make something beautiful, when you achieve something, when you have a beautiful experience, when you share a beautiful experience, when you heal another, help another person heal and see them come out of a suffering and into a joy and so forth, and when everything is like that for you, then everything is really nice, and that will go on endlessly. There's no limit to that. And similarly, if you do nasty things and then create nasty cycles of response from the world around you that you are actually totally interconnected with, then there's no limit to how bad that will get.
[00:08:45] I was shocked yesterday. The other day I was reading in a translation I don't approve of, but never mind, it's not that bad just because I don't approve the author. But in a translation of Shantideva, I just happened to glance because I was shocked that I saw it somewhere. But never mind, I'm not going to do that.
[00:09:07] I saw the. I went to the final dedication chapter, because the Shantideva, great 8th century indian poet, and Yogi and Mahasida, he did his dedication chapter ten.
[00:09:24] And I was so shocked that he did so much with hell, I had forgotten it.
[00:09:31] But it's a good prayer, actually, in a way. And it's the difference between Brahma and Buddha, though the virtues I have created in composing the guide to the bodhisattvas way of life may all living beings, without exception, practice the Buddha bodhisattvas deeds by virtue of my merits.
[00:09:51] May old beings everywhere, tormented by sufferings of body and mind, find physical comfort and mental joy for as long as they remain in samsara, may their temporary happiness never decline, even their ordinary happiness. And may they all eventually experience the everlasting joy of Buddhahood. You know, total enlightenment. That does mean. It doesn't mean they become Buddhist. It just means they become fully alike, like I consider Patanjali a Buddha personally. May all embodied creatures throughout the universe who are experiencing the pains of hell enjoy the bliss of Sukhavati. Purla Sukavati is the infinite light Buddha paradise, infinite life, but a paradise. And Sukhavati means possessing Bliss, you know, Sukhavati. And, you know, that would be enough. And then he'd go on saying, may all this and that, and then it's great, and thanks. And I wrote the book. No, this is what surprised me. Next verse, verse 5.
[00:10:51] May he goes just in general. May those tormented. But it's a good prayer for Easter.
[00:10:58] You know, I think that, you know, Jesus was a total Yogi siddha. So actually, even though he was. See, the weird thing about enlightenment is defined in India is that when you're completely free of all suffering, you become one with BraHma, let's say, who was considered the Creator in Indian Theism, one version of Indian TheIsm, or in the buddhist case or MAhaVirA case, it would become enlightened. In the Jain case, it become enlightened. But the key there is you're completely free of suffering, and you are just total creature of bliss. And you see every other being in bliss. On the other hand, you see every other being, and you feel you're like a cloud, and you feel every other being the way they feel themselves.
[00:11:52] So though you see them as made out of bliss, you notice that they don't think so.
[00:11:58] And actually, you feel empathetically everything that they feel, because it's like, it's really weird. It's like you're totally immune, and yet you're totally empathetic, totally bliss out. You feel anybody who isn't.
[00:12:14] So then, and you see they're not feeling burst out as unnecessary, because they really are blissed out, but they really think what they are unreal, which is a separate being in a vast universe, separate from everything else, ultimately, and on their own, sort of, and scared of all the harm that might lie.
[00:12:39] And actually, there is, once they see it like that, there is a lot of place to stub your toe and someone who might want to stamp on your foot actually follow them. So then it seems sensible to be scared. And once you're scared, you shut down and you can't even feel your own heart and soul where you have seed of your life force, which is in your health force, which is your bliss force.
[00:13:08] And so then a Buddha must be blissed out enough to be simultaneously highly frustrated on behalf of all beings.
[00:13:17] So therefore, when. When Rabbi Jesus said, as he's reported to have said Lama, the first thing he said, at the last, as he gave up the breath, he said, lama.
[00:13:28] Apparently Lama in Hebrew means why?
[00:13:32] Doesn't mean lama, it means why Sabah tani. Do you know that it's Hebrew? I guess I don't know Hebrew, but is translated as, by the very brilliant rabbis who translated the King James Bible for the uptight Brits who didn't know Hebrew Aramaic.
[00:13:55] And they were imported in Elizabeth, in England at the time to do that from Spain, where they were evicted.
[00:14:03] Had been evicted. And why has thou forsaken me? He said, and before that, they know not what they do, so they know not what they do. They're suffering because they know not what they do. So that's misnowledge or ignorance in all indian traditions. The root of the problem is that not knowing what you really are, that's why you become a yogi, in order to stop thinking about what you think you are, which, since you don't know what you are and you have a wrong think about, like, you think you're someone separate, different and disconnected from everything, and therefore scared of them. So anyway, so therefore, Shantideva showing empathy, and to show in bliss, in the bliss of having achieved enlightenment, at which he described, the process of which he describes very beautifully.
[00:14:57] And then in his dedication, he wants to put kind of teeth in his empathy side, which is the love and compassion side, because when you're blissed out, you want everybody else to be blissed out, of course. And you couldn't be blissed out if you didn't see everyone else was blissed out. Now, how would you see me, the nervous, frustrated, annoyed with Putin and Trump and Johnson and other crazy people person, how would you see me exposed out? Well, you have to see into my future.
[00:15:31] And to you, my future would be as real as my present is to me. To me. I'm just here now. But actually, how are we here now? Is anybody being here now?
[00:15:43] Where's here?
[00:15:45] Where is it?
[00:15:47] Okay, well, I'm here. Come on. This is me. This is me. These are all points on my body, and I'm here, but with a point. It's not. It's not there, though. There's no point on my body, right? Xyz.
[00:16:00] Where's Xyz? If I make a dot of my body, that's not a point, right? XYZ has no dot. It be exact.
[00:16:11] Right? You get it? So the point is not the dot. That dot is a little circle, right?
[00:16:19] So I'm a body that is made of points, none of which are there.
[00:16:25] Okay. And then time, I'm in a present, but where's present?
[00:16:32] Like, when I walk in the door, it's been the past now, sat down on thing, realized I forgot my coffee, poured it in a thermos, and then ran up leaving it. That happens when you're older and stay warm. Right.
[00:16:50] And so where's the actual present?
[00:16:55] Well, if we go, like, the point, the exact present has no duration.
[00:17:03] Somehow it's just the past colliding with the future.
[00:17:07] And therefore, there's no place now actually, really seems to be, because I'm sort of approximate, but there isn't really.
[00:17:19] So there's an illusion, there's a noun, but that hand is never, at any point, the second hand, right? So that's the reality of us, is that we're not here into what we think is us. But on the other hand, of course, we are all these points that aren't there.
[00:17:46] So, as an illusory way, we're here. We're not an illusion. I feel pain, and so I'm making an error in the way I feel it, but it has a reality for me. So if someone who steal through that reality simultaneously with seeing the illusion, which is impossible.
[00:18:08] Right?
[00:18:09] You know, when I say it's not here, then it wasn't here, then you wouldn't see anything. To have experience of yourself as in pure space, which you do every time you die. You go through perseverance like that. That's how you use. You remove your continuum at a subtle, super subtle plane from your embeddedness in a course process, which is kind of an approximation of your real self.
[00:18:33] And then in India, they know, the Vedanta people in India, they say the real self is just Brahma. Thinking that Brahma is somebody, he has the same problem Brahma does. Even Buddha does. Every point on Buddha's body is also not there.
[00:18:51] But when you know that simultaneously, somehow, it's like you can then empathize with infinite suffering of other beings because you're anesthetized to it in a weird way, and yet they're feeling it. And so since you feel you are completely one with them, you feel it in their feeling, and therefore they're feeling is just like when you feel pain on your own hand. You put the pot, you didn't know it heated up on the stove, you didn't know the handle was still hot. And you touch it in your hand, you don't sit and discuss, shall I relieve my hand from this pain? No, it's just that.
[00:19:27] So if you feel you are another person in pain, then, yet then that pain is intolerable, the way that your own pain now, and what we approximate as us is intolerable, right? You get that? Right? So therefore, the end of his thing, he gets specific, because by that time, by the way, when you do have a parent lady, now, don't, I don't pretend that I understand that, because I don't pretend to be enlightened. So just don't worry about that. Don't look nervous.
[00:19:59] I'm not utterly empathetic, but I will be. I know that I'm doomed. I have a kind of faith about that, because of the fact that, you know, we're all infinite.
[00:20:15] We're finite, in our approximation way, but ultimately we're infinite because infinity couldn't be infinite if it was excluded from us, would not be infinite, right? So we were permeated by infinity. And. And it's impossible to know that at the same time as to be present and once approximately. Loser, reform.
[00:20:37] But if you are. But if you are, you realize that the way you approximate your illusory form is through your routinized imagination. So that means you're constantly imagining yourself. This is really important for yoga.
[00:20:51] When Michelle instructs you to do downward dog, and you can't really get properly into the scene like I can.
[00:21:00] I mean, I do it, but, you know, you don't really have the real thing, you know, the right angle.
[00:21:06] And then, because I'm imagining myself as too stiff to do it, and we don't think, we think that's just a muscle or some objective thing. You don't realize that ultimately, less imagination.
[00:21:18] Like, when you see the wall, you think you're just reading the presence of the wall off the wall and it has its presence inside it somehow. Absolutely. Really. They're really there. It's really the wall, actually, you're imagining the wall according to your concept of a wall.
[00:21:33] And the more you get, the more you practice being open to that infinity in yourself, which is a negation, which is you're not here ness.
[00:21:45] You're not here now ness.
[00:21:48] And the more you work on that, you come finally to a place of inconceivability, where the cognitive dissonance of feeling your fear and sort of knowing you're not. Through samadhi, you collapse those two together and or rather, you keep them apart. But you can thrive within that inconceivability.
[00:22:13] You can be your approximate self knowing it's a little unreal. And therefore you're highly resilient because you can reimagine yourself in all different ways and you're not. And you also can control that resilience, where you're also aware of your own dark side in order to get there, because you fear that unconscious. You're made to be afraid of it by your culture, but you don't fear because you realize you can confront it and you're not going to indulge it, because you know you're not really just only that.
[00:22:48] So you don't get imprisoned in your dark side, like bad people. Evil people, what we call evil people, do they have also bright side.
[00:22:57] Even Putin would put on a frou frou and do a pirouette if he trained as an ice skater. Maybe a few years ago.
[00:23:10] Even Trump, I saw Lilla is addicted to Instagram now. There's my partner slightly. She's like a child looking at children for a long time. Well, but she saw one thing last night of a magnificent bald eagle, huge one. And it was going down like when they catch a fish, you know, it's like going down toward the surface of the water. I mean, its claws grabbed something.
[00:23:36] It wasn't a fish. It was trump by his.
[00:23:40] His belt. They had him by his belt and he was like this being borne off by the. By the eagle. And then the eagle, like the laser, red laser light rays came out of the eyes of the eagle. And he was like, I mean, I'm sorry, but it was really funny. I know, poor guy. We don't want that damage, but it was really funny. But you know, that somebody else should make a fake where they have Trump doing a quadruple axel and landing, maybe the first one and the second one falling on his axle.
[00:24:18] You know, they could fit him into a frou frou or what do they call those things?
[00:24:26] So anyway, so imagination. So, so this chantideva definitely was highly enlightened.
[00:24:34] Everyone knows he was a mahasida, but he was leaving, having been a monk, and he was just giving his final thesis. That's what this poem is, the 800 verses.
[00:24:45] And they were all. Everyone was there because they thought it would be. They would be able to ridicule him. Because he was thought to be the stupidest guy in the whole thing. He never showed off. They called him, actually, Busunk Boosuku, which then became a famous term of pride for siddhartha. And Busuku means he who eats, sleeps and poops.
[00:25:08] That's all he does.
[00:25:11] So nowadays, if someone says, I'm a bosuko, that means they're a siddha. They're highly enlightened.
[00:25:17] So anyway, he is so in his dedication, he has to visit every hell.
[00:25:23] And actually he sees, because he sees no one is doomed in them. Actually, they just made this bad place for themselves by being trapped by their own dark side. So they've made this terrible situation for themselves to confirm their imagination of the whole world being against them. So then the world comes and freezes them and scuts them to bits, crushes them under mountains and boils them in fires and things.
[00:25:51] Because the universe obliges.
[00:25:53] So he said, may those tormented by cold find warmth. May those tormented by heat be cool by a continuous rain of soothing waters flowing from the vast clouds of the bodhisattva's merit and wisdom. Actually, they have a vision in one sutra where avalokiteshvara, who is. Who is Ishvara? He's a God, but he's an avalokita ishvara. And avalokita means someone who, like a mom who looks. Who runs in at 02:00 p.m. To her newborn's crib, in case she's put them in a crib and isn't. Isn't heaven next to her? But, you know, maybe six months, let's say, and worries that maybe he got, you know, suffocated or something, or he drowned or died or, you know, like you do that when your first child. You may not know that, but I know that you worry something happened. Maybe they suck their face in a pillow or something. You run in and make sure they still breathe. You do you really worry about how they are.
[00:26:57] You don't plan to sleep for six months, really. I mean, you sort of sleep.
[00:27:03] So. So, uh, that's what avalokita means. So he's the God who, it's like looking down to make sure that the covers are pulled up and tucked in properly. And so they come different from Maha yvara, the great God, who couldn't care less, wouldn't notice.
[00:27:24] So they have this idea of Avalon for their bhakti.
[00:27:28] And so then he comes to where Shakyamuni is with a whole bunch of people. And first the golden light comes and then goes into Shakyamuni's feet, comes out of his poor head. He goes to his feet, and then they say, well, what's that light? Sudden golden light. What happened? And he said, oh, that's nothing, because I have a look at Teshwar is coming to visit us. Oh, really? Yeah, he's just about to. Satan. It's not a big deal. And then the avatar shows up, and he says, oh, where have you been, avalokiteshwar?
[00:27:56] You know, the illusory Buddha says to the illusory Avalon. And then I said, oh, yeah, I was down in hell, and I was there. And when I was there, the thousand eyes in my thousand hands that I have to help, reach out to help. Beings started weeping, seeing the beings being boiled in a giant cauldron. So I am. So then I froze the fire that heated the water and the cold, and then I laser beamed them up to the pure land.
[00:28:25] And then the devils down there, the yama minions, they ran to Yama, and they said, yama, yama. Some guys came and just doused our fire. And then they took away all the beans that we were cooking. Oh, that's. Just have a look at this. Varyama said to them, he said, don't worry. There'll be more. Plenty more.
[00:28:47] Don't worry. He does that now and then. He says, and that's a sutra. So it's like hell freezing over or flooding over.
[00:28:58] So, okay. So may the forests of razor sharp leaves become a delightful woodland glade, and may the trees have splintered iron and piercing thorns transform into wish fulfilling trees.
[00:29:11] May the regions of hell become joyful lands adorned with vast and fragrant lotus pools, resounding with the enchanting calls of wild geese, ducks, and swans.
[00:29:24] May the heaps of burning coals become piles of various jewels. May the red hot iron ground become a soothing crystal floor, and may the mountains of the crushing hells become celestial palaces of worship filled with sugatas that bliss. Blissful ones. That's a Buddha name. Sukhumgata made a hail of lava, blazing stones, and weapons. And by the way, I'm mad with the scientists and all their movies about their cosmological mythology, you know, big bang. There was a big bang. Then all these rocks and explosions occurred. Bunch of nuclear weapons, like we dropped on Hiroshima.
[00:30:08] And they showed these movies like, Carl Sagan. Taipan was the new guy as the Tyson. Neil degrasse Tyson. He's out there saying they're all incredible things. And then there were some rocks when the lava cooled. And then you see big rocks bashing against one. And then the sun, that threw off some things and they cooled into place planets. And then they banged into a meteorite, banged into the planet, and that made the moon. And then. And then you watching that and it scares the crap out.
[00:30:43] You think, how can it be like putting water on my plant in my garden? Like we're living here in a really little air from the leaves and the carbon. How can it be so, so scary in the planet?
[00:31:01] And then they scare the crap out of it with their big bang because they're scary. And then what do they sell you? So, all right, you're not going to exist.
[00:31:13] You won't feel anything. You'll be anesthetized automatically. Death, we assure you. We discovered, we're scientists. We only go by what we discover. So we discovered that nothing you're going to when you die. So just be here now and buy some budvisor, take some medicine we made in our labs. No, they doing just like those priests that Martin Luther didn't like, selling indulgences, you know, and just pay some money and your church will make sure you go to heaven. However nasty you were to your employees and your peasants on your farms and whatever, you know, it's disgusting.
[00:31:47] And therefore, we can't stop the oil people. Oh, no, we can't stop. They gotta be keep burning down because the stock market says so.
[00:31:55] What?
[00:31:56] What is that?
[00:31:59] Here we are in paradise, Menlo. But we're not gonna be here forever if they keep at it. And they don't listen. And they're not listening. Have you noticed they're backpedaling madly? CNN. Oh, okay. No, no, no. No more ev's now. Oh, Jim. Back to big trucks. Okay.
[00:32:16] Nonsense. How dare they?
[00:32:21] I'm sorry. May the hail of lava blazing stones made me think of it, you know? And weapons henceforth become a rain of flowers. And may all attacks with weapons from now on become a playful exchange of flowers.
[00:32:35] May these drowning. May those drowning in the fiery torrents of acid, oh, their flesh eaten away to reveal their lily white bone, attain the bodies of celestial beings, angels and sport with consorts in gently flowing streams. Let those terrorists have the 72 virgins. 72 virgins. That will not be much fun for them. They didn't realize that because they are completely repressed. You know, the guys who join ISIS and stuff. They're so repressed. All they would like is, like, a girlfriend, you know, before they're totally brutalized and just want somebody to beat up. Why are the henchmen then he has a question. Why are the henchmen of the lord of death and the unbearable buzzards and vultures so afraid themselves, by whose noble power is the darkness of our suffering dispelled and joy bestowed upon us? This is what the people are thinking in hell, in his vision. And this is just his dedicatory prayers looking above them. Those in hell will behold the radiant form of Ajrapani has him going down there, holder of the Vajra, to the force of their newfound faith and joy. May they be freed from past evil and come to abide with him.
[00:33:49] When they see the lava fires of hell extinguished by a rain of flowers moist with scented waters, and are immediately satiated with bliss, they will wonder by whose hand this was brought about. And behold Padmapani, the holder of zolotas. That's all of this as well. And then he has them thinking.
[00:34:06] He imagines them thinking, or he sees them thinking with his infinite vision, which includes the people were souls difference between him and Brahma. Brahma is in bliss too, in his Brahma heaven. But Brahma feels separated from those other people, because he's still his own. He's centered in the self. He's not fully experienced his non existence, right? In a way, in a certain, simultaneously with his existence, responsibly with his existence.
[00:34:38] And then he thinks about what they're saying in hell. Friends, cat friends, cast away your fears and quickly gather here. For above us is the youthful nanjushree, whose radiant, top notch dispels all fears. He has like a siddha hairdo with a top note, endowed with great compassion. And Bodhichitta, he protects all living beings and through his power dispels all suffering and bestows perfect joy. Behold him in his enchanting palace, resounding with the songs of a thousand celestial beings, with hundreds of gods bowing before him, their tiaras touching his lotus feet. And there's a wonderful, a wonderful nevermind, and a vast rain of flowers falling upon his gracious head, his eyes moist with compassion. Thus, upon seeing Manzushree, may all beings in hell cry out with joy.
[00:35:32] Likewise, when through my roots of virtue, all beings in hell. See, that's, he's not claiming it over sensitive. He only, he has roots of virtue, you know, so he's working on that play, you know, he's cultivating the plan of his virtues, which will become the infinite slash, infinite manifest, you know, universally present, illusory Buddha embodiments. Feel the cool, sweet smelling rain descending from miraculous clouds that's what Patanjali says. Become a raincloud of the dharma and you become liberated. You become a rain cloud of the dharma.
[00:36:09] But he allows it to be interpreted by those who can't imagine that, who will just be really too incredulous. He can imagine them just being anesthetized in a blissful place apart from all the suffering. But the real delighting thing is to be completely blissed out and entangled with all the suffering to help others free themselves.
[00:36:31] Created by bodhisattvas such as Samantha badger. That's the one who goes to the micro infinite. That's not a good. That's a good word, right? Did you ever hear that word before? I just thought that. Isn't that a great word? The micro infinite. You realize that's what we all have. We're all micro infinite. Every single cell in our body is doing yoga with us. May they experience perfect happiness.
[00:36:55] May all animals be freed from the fears. Then he finally leaves health, anguish.
[00:36:59] May all animals.
[00:37:01] But humans are animals. So actually you have to say beasts. What they mean. They mean those who go on 4ft because they mean droid. So I think the beast is not a bad word. The beast is. He's an X Men beast. He turns all blue and furry when he gets in his beast mode, you know, he's a nice beast. May all be freed from the fears of being preyed upon by one another. So that is the suffering of the beasts, which is a mutual consumption, being eat or be eaten. You know, humans are should not have to be like that. May all hungry spirits. And then the hungry spirits are there. I'm glad they didn't say ghosts. That's good, because they're not ghosts, they are actual beings. But they are preta scorpas. Be as happy as the inhabitants of the northern continent. And that's America. The Americas are the northern continent.
[00:37:55] In the old buddhist Mount Meru cosmology, it's across the top, you know, the side from India, which is the southern continent.
[00:38:05] May they be satiated. Nagarjuna went there for 250 years according to yes, and he went there. He went across the oceans with the Nagas. It took him across the ocean.
[00:38:18] I proposed that thought to a nahuatl medicine man. So that Quetzalcoatl, who they saw as coming as a flying serpent but then became human. He was like Nagarjuna coming with the kings of the Nagas to Mexico, which was the biggest city, the most cool, the most cool town.
[00:38:40] It was the east village of the Americas, or Steotihuacan. They were not sacrificing people. That's spanish propaganda.
[00:38:52] Everyone used to. And they're changing tribal things. But by that time, with huge, beautiful cities, they were not doing that. May they be satiated by a stream of milk flowing from the compassionate hands of Arya, of Lokiteshvar. That's.
[00:39:07] And by bathing in it, may they constantly, be constantly refreshed. But that's for the pray that. May the blind sea forms. May the deaf ear sounds. And just as it was with Maya Devi, the mother of Buddha, may all pregnant women give birth without pain. May the naked find clothing. May the hungry find food, and may the thirsty find pure water and delicious drinks. May the poor find wealth. May those weak with sorrow find joy. And may those whose fortunes have declined find replenishment and long lasting good fortune. May everyone who is sick be swiftly healed. And may every disease that affects living beings be permanently eradicated. May the frightened be released from their fears. May those in captivity be freed. May the powerless be rendered, endowed with power. And may people think only of benefiting one another.
[00:39:55] May the travelers. There are a lot of Israelis. The media will have you think they all want more blood, but there's a lot of them. I saw a guy. He had the whole proper beard and curls and all the things, all the equipment. He was saying, we don't approve of that. I want you to know, he'd come to the US to tell people he was on Ninja's instrument, really, with a whole bunch of the them behind him, with the whole outfit, you know, the zittic outfit.
[00:40:22] May the powerless being. So they're not all settlers, in other words. But no, no way. May they happen to be. May the powerless being dealt with power. May people think only of benefiting one another. What's the problem with two state solution? If we have a two people solution anywhere and people really think about each other, primarily, that's. That's possible. We know that, you know, planet on honeymoon, everyone with everyone could be. Why should we say not? Why?
[00:40:50] We have all kind of miracles. We have Instagram, we have Facebook.
[00:40:56] Why couldn't everybody be for everybody instead against everybody? In fact, the fact that they keep publishing all these things to make us reassure us that we have vital enemies everywhere and they are out to get us every place, and we should be really scared if they have to rub that in. Maybe we all, maybe the people on the planet can actually, human beings can actually figure out that it's more fun to be nice because you have to want everybody to be nice to you.
[00:41:20] So why how. Why should that be impossible? But if that was. If that was possible, who would lose out?
[00:41:27] Some person who feels really disliked, and therefore they're scared. Everybody. And they want to domineer them. All, right? They'd lose out, wouldn't they? Who wouldn't need to be domineered? They would have to take a break and do some massage and practice yoga.
[00:41:42] Seriously, let's have Rex Tillerson right here on the floor and do. Do a love in on him. And all of us trample him with affection until I know my billions of dollars. What happened to them?
[00:41:59] I might forget where they are. I might forget my code number on my crypto coin.
[00:42:05] What's wrong with this?
[00:42:07] You know Wilhelm Reich, this place. The husband of the lady who was the medium on this little valley, which is a magic hidden valley, according to Tibetans. According to Darth Vanita, her little dart.
[00:42:22] He.
[00:42:24] She married a guy named.
[00:42:29] I forgot names, but he was a reichian therapist.
[00:42:34] John Pierros. What? John Piericos. No, no, his name was what? Her name was Eva Pirakas. That was.
[00:42:47] She was austrian. Paracas is not Austria name. He was somebody who had done raikin therapy. And Reichen therapy has this theory of the emotional plague, that they terrorize you and brutalize you from birth, and then they. And then they remember. And then you watch one of those Elizabeth movies or one of those, like, three right Downton Abbey movies. And that. And that. Your.
[00:43:10] Your navel chakra, they put you in this thing where they had to put their foot up against the small of your back and pull all the strings to make. You have a tight waist, so you couldn't even tell there was an orgasm happening down there with a. With a microscope, with a telescope. You'd have to have. You couldn't feel anything going up your central channel, you know, the corsets and the men military. And they stuck your chin down here, so you block the chakra, suck in your diaphragm so you block your heart chakra, pull your pelvis back so you travel for lower chakras and you can't feel any kind of streaming in yourself. And Wilhelm Reich so beautifully called it the emotional plague. And people. Anybody armored like that is going to want a fascist. They're going to want someone stake and beat up underneath them and someone who will beat them up. They all want them. And he dealt with the german fascists. He dealt with the russian fascists. And, you know, under Lenin, who's lured him over there, pretending they all have free love. Once the Bolsheviks were in power, and this made yoga illegal. Even yoga was illegal in some of the units of Gorbachev, from Lenin to Gorbachev. No yoga. Why? Because yoga, you open up your nervous system, you can feel yourself, right?
[00:44:34] For the first yogis in America and New York, the great yoga. Theo's Bernard's grandfather or grand uncle.
[00:44:42] They kept arresting him, the police, thinking he was having orgies.
[00:44:49] Anyway, so anyway, I wanted to just get into this. I mean, I could just. It goes on for some verses and it's very beautiful. But then he gets a little more easy. He gets out of the forefront. Everyone's in good shape. May those in dangerous and fearful places, children, the aged and the unprotected, as well as the bewildered and the insane, be guarded by benevolent celestial.
[00:45:12] May those distress because they've lost their way, meet with fellow travelers, not without any fear of thieves or other dangers. Proceed comfortably without tea, you know.
[00:45:23] And they all have inexhaustible joy and copious resources, just like the supreme treasury. And may they enjoy freedom with no disputes, interferences or injury. So, you know, this is clear light.
[00:45:36] The clear light is not just a space apart from everything and just another place or separation, the ultimate psychotic hiding place. It is not. This is all clear light. We are made of it. That's why a Buddha can become a Buddha. And because they see every being is already made of bliss. They see why you have a face. Because cells stick together, they give you a face. How can you have an eyeball and an optic nerve? Because cells like to hang out with each other. Unless then, when they get really freaked out, if they internalize the freak out that is posed on them by the culture, the backward cultures that this planet still has, then they start growing madly and cancer cries come. It doesn't connect to their hosts and kill them. But actually, cancer is rapid growth. Those cells are very healthy escape. But meanwhile, they strangle a person. So. So we're made of this clear light. And the clear light, it's. Again, it's an inconceivability. So nothing I say will mean what it is. So forget about it. You can challenge whatever I say. But in the other hand, you can think of it as like the infinity finitude paradox, that we're all infinite. That means there's no boundary to our being. We are that non being in our being. And that negation is the openness, our total infinite openness. We are that too. And that's what we more really are, actually. So, therefore, and that is a bed of infinite energy.
[00:47:18] Now imagine if what the real reality was, was infinite energy, which doesn't have to destroy all these deceived, self deceiving beings who think they're all some separate thing with infinite energy surrounding them and oppressing them or potentially oppressing them, and therefore they live. They think it's wise to live scared.
[00:47:39] Instead of that, since it all is infinite energy, then whatever, it doesn't do anything on its own. It didn't create the universe. The universe is uncreated.
[00:47:51] Therefore, when we feel we're here and somebody made us, that's our responsibility.
[00:47:56] So we have to understand that we're simultaneously not here. It's a bad situation as well as here. And when we know that it's no longer a bad situation, we can make it a good situation. And what is it that makes a good situation? What is the infinite energy that will pour through us when we're totally open is love.
[00:48:17] That's what love is. Everything becomes beautiful to us. So we love it all. You follow we in love with it. We're like Gene Kelly. Fancy. And the rain.
[00:48:29] He doesn't have an umbrella. He likes the rain.
[00:48:32] Right?
[00:48:35] So the reason I keyed on that with my old age digressiveness is this idea of treasury.
[00:48:42] There's infinite wealth in the universe. It's just waiting for open beings to share it.
[00:48:51] The closed ones coming in. I want rabbit. And I don't come back to everybody else.
[00:48:57] That, of course, is then they create with it. They use their own potential infinite power to make a horrible situation for themselves. But they have a bigger space, but within that, they're fighting with everybody else. Therefore they go left.
[00:49:13] Elon Musk, what does he want with more wealth than most governments to leave? To go to Mars. He saw that Arnold Schwarzenegger movie, final analysis, or whatever it was called, eyeballs were bugging out. And then somebody flicked the switch and the aliens made air.
[00:49:34] Phew. Then he came back to be governor of California.
[00:49:38] So that's what Elon wants to do, is escape.
[00:49:41] He thinks he can escape there. Maybe there'd be some alien waiting for him.
[00:49:45] Finally, someone said, love. They love him. Really. That's all he needs. He needs to feel his love, but he doesn't. Unfortunately, even he went to burning man. It didn't help.
[00:49:56] No, it didn't help because it takes yoga, because you have to. You have to change your own imagination. Nobody can. Nobody can create. Perfect downward dog for you. You have to do it. You have to first imagine you can do it, and then you put your actual ability next to your imagination, and then you slowly bring it toward that template and you, and by the great teaching of openness or emptiness or freedom or whatever you want to call it, the negation, absolute negation, that was the heart of what is India's transformation 2600 years ago, at the time of the Upanishads, the Buddha and Mahvira and all kinds of Patanjali and all kinds of other enlightened people, and they put at the center of their culture its unreality.
[00:50:48] And then many people scrambled to reconstruct. No, no. It has absolute reality and with absolute Brahmins and we're this and with that. And they did scramble to do that. And where the patriarchs and the women are just our property and blah, blah, blah, but slowly they again, the goddess finally rose with her shakti and. But she's still not out of the woods.
[00:51:08] You still have Modi.
[00:51:10] Everybody has to be Hindu, knock down those mosques. Well, the Muslims taught them to behave like. So they're getting there. They're both against each other like that. But they can change.
[00:51:23] They can change. They will. So anyway, I just want to say this because I'm into Easter and I rejected totally Christianity, and I still have some scholarship that shows some mistakes that the Romans imposed on Christianity. That puts it onto a slightly mistaken thing where we have people like Michael Johnson blocking, helping the poor Ukrainians against the demonic Putin oligarchy, not the russian people. They are being just as harassed by the Putin and its oligarchy as the Ukrainians. They are fighting for everybody's freedom, those Ukrainians. Michael Johnson likes Putin because he's going with christian nationalism.
[00:52:07] He thinks Putin has an orthodox version of Christofascism. It's a really good word that Ukrainians have. And we have people like Michael Johnson and Trump, who Trump pretends he doesn't care. Luckily, they picked Trump as their flag standard bearer. And he's the beast. He's 666. Him and Jared, you're 666.
[00:52:29] You ever see those movies?
[00:52:33] All those dogs, the devil dogs? They lived on Fifth Avenue in 666. 666 in the movie, you know, the angels are always giving us the correct thing, actually.
[00:52:49] And the demons are trying to mimic them, making less clever, less clever conspiracy theories.
[00:52:56] The ugly ones, beautiful ones are different. They're great. Anyway, never mind. Point is, that's. That's mistake. That's not Jesus. Jesus says, he says to the right after sermon on the mount, where he says, turn the other cheek, give you a coat if it asks for a shirt.
[00:53:16] And don't oppose them. And he doesn't purposely put himself to be wasted by the Romans, not by the Jews. By the Romans. And they waste. They did duly waste them. And he wanted to be. He wanted to show how he could overcome them. And he did. They became trying to become Christians, but their later took a few centuries.
[00:53:39] Slow moving causation. However, the point is, their emperor of the time, Constantine and his partners, they warped the whole thing where it became a conquering thing that they made it fit into their room and we were going to conquer people.
[00:53:59] They did that. And then they scapegoated the Jews and which Jesus was. Can you think of anything more irrational than being antisemitic? If you're a Christian? Meanwhile, God. Do you believe that God manifested himself as a rabbi?
[00:54:16] How could he be anti semitic? What? Scott is stupid.
[00:54:20] He went and made himself one with bad people. That's completely insane. The Romans killed him. If you ever had the misfortune of watching the Mel Gibson movie, which is still going on, which I only stayed in because my friend and I made a pact we were not going to let each other leave. If you ever saw that, you saw that misses Pilate kept coming out to Mary and Martha and the two Marys and Martha. When the drunken roman guy had to be drunk so he wouldn't know what he was doing, so he couldn't be blamed, who were lacerating, flagellating Jesus and blood over. She came out with country club towels to give to the ladies to exculpate the Romans with that insane anti semitic Mel Gibson and his father and that cult in the Catholic Church. So I'm just saying that's not Jesus Jesus. And therefore, when he said they know not what they do, he's not just referring to the Romans, he's not just referring to anybody who didn't like him. He's referring to all beings like Avalika. Dashboard. He's referring to beings in hell. He's referring to beings like this and that. And then when he says Lama Sabachtani, why do you abandon? He is making a mahasida, a great rabbi, an attained altruistic rabbi. He's challenging the concept of a creator. How can you have created such a thing? Actually, you didn't.
[00:55:54] It's only projected on you by some king who wants to be omnipotent and pretend that there's an omnipotent creature behind him. And he can blame the creature with anything bad goes on, anything bad happens. Because if you're omnipotent, you can't have suffering and be really considered a benevolent. If you had omnipotent power. It's impossible to get over that one. So when he said, why have you saved me? He's just crying out for all the beings, and he really doesn't even. He feels sympathetic to God, actually. And in India, the creator of God comes to the Buddha and says, please, please teach the dharma, teach the yoga.
[00:56:36] Teach the yoga, and tell people that I am a creator. I'm creative, but I didn't create their misery. I don't mind them praising me when things are great. I love it, actually. I enjoy worship. But when the horrible things happen, their children are killed and they are tortured or whatever happened, I hate it when they blame me because I'm not like that. I'm not omnipotent. I would stop it if I could. I try to do anything, actually. I'm supporting the yoga teachers, I'm supporting the Upanishads, I'm supporting the dharma, I'm supporting the, I'm supporting the rabbis, I'm supporting all the altruistic people who realize that there's infinite goodness is reality, not rocks crashing against one another from big bangs and horrible nuclear explosions or fission explosions or whatever. That's not the reality of creation. The reality of creation is that we, illusory as we are, we felt totally flipped out in infinite bliss of energy, and we somehow decided to enjoy that as individuals.
[00:57:52] And then we got confused, and we thought we were really real, and we didn't know what was the other reality, and we got scared of it, and therefore, we're suffering.
[00:58:01] But actually, everything is all right. As, as Ray Charles used to sing.
[00:58:09] It's all right, it's all right.
[00:58:12] And then in the, in the video that I have so used to see of that, I've never seen it for a long time. They show, like, the bridge in an earthquake. It's falling down bridges. Cars are on the bridge, and it's shaking like this. Oh, it's all right, it's all right. He's singing that, Rachel. Blind guys.
[00:58:30] Anyway, so, you know, it's nice that the Christians think that and see him, but it wasn't a shame that, that the Romans encouraged them and they kicked out the apocryphal gospels because there were twelve disciples. A lot of. A lot of disciples, a lot of gospels. There's even a gospel of Mary Magdalene who was a courtesan, who he loved.
[00:59:03] Siddhartha tend to love the women and they admire in India, like, you know, in Vimalakirti Sutra. He is the reason the young people have to come out. And the older people didn't come in the assembly. 500 young Lichavis came out of the wealthy city is because Amrapali, who was a famous courtesan, like a movie star in that culture, she had a beautiful estate with a grove, and she had better horses and a better carriage. And she beat them to reach Buddha and invite him to bring the monks all to live in the grove.
[00:59:38] And it's like going to, you know, Marilyn Monroe or, you know, or something. So Buddha was saying there's. And he wasn't going to the town hall and making the dignitaries feel they were important. You know what I said? Taylor Swift or Taylor Swift, that's right. Taylor Swift, that's right. She's a sit up. Taylor Swift is a sailor. Did you see the video or will you go. Did you go to any of them? No, you're yogis. I know you would, but you should see it on Netflix. It's incredible to see one person in the midst of 60, 70,000 people holding light.
[01:00:15] And she's totally linking with them and she is helping them, encouraging them to feel alright and to feel as fine and to feel themselves as fine. And they totally realize that. And she. She keeps. She constantly dodges out of projecting and she's making them do that. She's constantly ducking and doing this and showing that she's just like them, you know, rather than. She's above them, something more far out than them. And that they know all of her songs and they know that. And when they sing the songs, they feel like her. And she knows that and she ratifies that. And that incredible, incredible interconnection. It's truly beautiful. It's really.
[01:01:00] And then those people go home and then their parents. Where did you go?
[01:01:05] And they fertilize them and they want them back into not feeling.
[01:01:09] It's incredible.
[01:01:11] It shows that we can be. Don't be depressed. But then, on the other hand, you know, right now, you yogis, and what you're doing is truly great and it's truly revolutionary. And you should really work hard at it because.
[01:01:26] Because it's that time when the only danger are these scared people who get, who create structures within which they have much too much power and they can cause so much unnecessary death and destruction.
[01:01:43] And we mustn't be allowed to have that. And we're in this pivotal year because, you know, we have to reach, by 2030, half the carbon emissions of the 20 of 2000, as was the original goal. We have to. And we're going to. And we can easily do it. It's not at all impossible.
[01:02:02] And I think the Dubai people and maybe the Saudis will lead them. I have a weird vision of that. Maybe he will. Okay.
[01:02:12] He must, because we can't go on like this. I was at the Tibet. Freedom meant emerged 10th every year. And I gave a talk and I just couldn't take my eye off that. The young child who had a sign like this, he was very proud of it, and he was very much the protester, about maybe six years old, maybe eight. And it had a picture of Xi Jinping, like a poster sized photograph. But then the word was no dictators, you know, so it was, you know, democracy versus fascism in a six year old child proudly parading in a country that has been having genocide inflicted on it for 70 years, since Mao sent his armies in there in 19, 50, 74 years.
[01:03:03] 1950.
[01:03:05] What?
[01:03:07] Oh, lunch. Okay. You can take the form of the infinite love of infinite clear light, which you don't have to see, and you actually never do really see. You see some sort of, like, imagination of what it might be in the form of twilight, because its transparency is what it really is. It's beyond light and dark. It's transparent. That's another thing that's impossible, but it's there. So that means this air between us where we see each other and us, or the same infinite energy, or it's just the same way on an uninterrupted flow, which is impossible to imagine. We can imagine it, but we can't actually, we don't need to see it because we are it, but, and knowing it, if we fully know it, if we custom ourselves to knowing it and which become really sure of it. As a yoga, you have to achieve samadhi.
[01:04:05] And close to sleep or not sleep, it has to be samadhi beyond sleep, beyond the darkness phase, which is its threshold, and then. And it's beyond dream state. So. And then you go into this feeling of total orgasmic wellness without any kind of need for release because you. Everything is released.
[01:04:28] And this gives you the confidence then to be yourself in any state by having gone into, by having surrendered to not being anything, and yet it returned you.
[01:04:43] So you realize there's no escape.
[01:04:46] But actually it's you gradually interfuse the two where you are yourself as clear light. And then you might even get an email address of clear light. Clear light with the number.
[01:05:02] Okay.
[01:05:20] They're inspired by each other on the eve of the Christian's resurrection, where they see life arise over death. That's a good side of it. And the source of happiness, be materially supported and honored, and remain for a very long time. I prostrate to Manjushri, to whose kindness. I prostrate to my spiritual guide, to whose kindness and to my virtuous qualities increase. So their great gratitude, they feel some gratitude, okay?
[01:05:49] So we can become like them, like our teachers, and we can help all beings become just exactly equal to us and them.
[01:05:58] Final prayer. Thank you. Okay, thank you, everyone. Thank you, Michelle, for inviting me. All right, thank you.
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