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Speaker 2 00:00:48 This is episode 223, A Tibet House conversation with Geier Namal.
Speaker 4 00:01:20 Anyway, so how are you? So very nice to see you. You are teaching actively here? You mostly in the States. Are you in the States all the time?
Speaker 5 00:01:28 Oh, yes, yes. Uh, I'm here. Um, uh, the California Bay area, uh, the Santa Cruz before, uh, the around, uh, uh, 10 years, uh, teaching here, uh, first two, two years children, which is center, uh, teach there, and many things. Two years I teach there. And then after that, I teach Dog 10 and my own, um, center here.
Speaker 4 00:02:02 Yes. That's wonderful. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That's great. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I love Dog 10. I'm very fond of it. My teacher in Dog 10 nowadays is Dr. Nita. He <unk>.
Speaker 5 00:02:14 Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:02:15 <affirmative>. Did you ever meet him?
Speaker 5 00:02:17 I hear, I hear, yeah.
Speaker 4 00:02:20 Yeah. He has a place in Los Angeles. Oh. He goes Uhhuh <affirmative> often. Oh, yes.
Speaker 5 00:02:24 Wonderful.
Speaker 4 00:02:25 At the Pearl Farm.
Speaker 5 00:02:26 Wonderful. And,
Speaker 4 00:02:27 Uh, I, I met him about Tibet medicine. I like, I'm very fond of <unk>. Yeah. My Tibet is broken. <unk> says Broken Tibet. Uhhuh.
Speaker 5 00:02:46 <laugh>. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 4 00:02:49 Oh, good. Oh, you have that kind of earphone. Oh, good. Yes. Does that work? Can you hear me?
Speaker 5 00:02:53 Yeah. I, I here now. It's good.
Speaker 4 00:02:56 Oh, good. Okay. Good. Good.
Speaker 5 00:02:58 Wonderful.
Speaker 4 00:02:59 Well, so, um, you're amazing, uh, in your, all unusual, I think that you studied in Sarah J for a long time then. You were a great friend of the men Beche, the elderly one who recently passed away.
Speaker 5 00:03:15 Yes.
Speaker 4 00:03:15 You were his too, right? In, in, uh, in sim
Speaker 5 00:03:20 Yes, yes. Simla for the Yes.
Speaker 4 00:03:24 Yeah. Yes, yes. I was very fond of him. I was, uh, in the 1960s, I was a monk. Yes. Longevity. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And at that time, I translated at the Giga, uh, love JG in, uh, in, um, Missouri.
Speaker 5 00:03:41 Yes.
Speaker 4 00:03:43 Uh, and, uh, he was there at that time with the Tibetan, with the Buddhist Abbots. Uh, and, uh, he and I translated for them some English, um, lecturers, you know? Yes, yes. So he became good friends after that.
Speaker 5 00:03:58 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't also, I remember for he, he told about you, you are very good mind and open mind. And so he, he told me, I remembered that.
Speaker 4 00:04:12 Oh, you do. Oh, God,
Speaker 5 00:04:14 Yes. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 4 00:04:16 So, so what is, uh, so nowadays, you said in your biography that you like to teach zk mainly beyond Suta and Tundra, and without bothering, you know, without, uh, you said, uh, I realized I was more interested in the pure Zg Chan, and in two 15, I concluded that Zg 10 teachings unencumbered by Sutra or Tantra would better serve Western students. So I founded Kuzak and now teach pure Zg Chan and the Kuzak Wisdom Program. Oh. So that's great. So please tell us about that. Oh, please
Speaker 5 00:04:54 Tell us. Yeah. Yeah. Very wonderful, wonderful, wonderful question. Thank you so much for I would like to very much, and then because the, uh, we have, uh, uh, the Nine Ways of Bone and Yuma, and, uh, so, uh, that system actually, there is a step by step, uh, nine different views and, uh, resort contractable things ground. So the, uh, eventually there's less and less effort, effort, effort, less and less going step by step. And finally there in, in top of the view doc, uh, totally, uh, effortless view. So that is, uh, uh, that is the pure doc because, uh, uh, in, uh, we have higher level thunder and, and other thunder also, and teaching. We have, uh, have to have lot of making effort for the path result, for the so many things. That's why, that's why, uh, uh, one, uh, the doctor inside other side, we have in this modern time, uh, every people are busy, and the technologies is a lot of necessary land and science, improvs, lot of topics that therefore people don't have time. So I know, I, uh, my view would be, uh, in these days, especially western country, and in effortless duction, um, package is more confidence in these days. Yes. So that's why I talk, uh, teaching this this days, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 5 00:06:54 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:06:55 Yeah. That's wonderful. That's wonderful. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That's true. And the Western Americans are very lazy. I think we are quite lazy.
Speaker 5 00:07:03 <laugh>. Oh, yes, yes. Like, uh, we, we word like lazy, but, uh, yeah, maybe, I don't know what use word, because they, uh, people, uh, follow the, uh, material and then not very much connect the spiritual path. And then, uh, very difficult to learn, uh, so many greater paths, philosophies, and so many things. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:07:31 Yes, yes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. True. That's true. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I really like that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So then, uh, then, uh, um, so too, too much. But you've been teaching lari, in other words. And, uh, there are some useful lesson. Do, do you still teach some students you feel they need some preparation in Lamrim and something like that? Or if you feel that auction by itself is enough for them, but how do you, how do you think Oh,
Speaker 5 00:07:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, uh, maybe only me who told this, because the, I said, uh, uh, preliminary pack is lamb, lamb, like preliminary practice is lamb, because the, for example, we have many lamb, like and many other lamb. And these are, uh, people, good chain and practice in their, uh, mind. And then then capacity to practice, job chain. That is the only, uh, talk, uh, uh, for me. Uh, uh, I didn't know other people because there's, um, yeah. My, uh, uh, for this is very important, like field of the western of high level. We will, because need to be very wonderful field. And then we have all, uh, harvest and vegetable flour. Everything is grow, uh, perfectly, right? Yes, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:09:00 Yes. Do you have a, is there a bubo lamb rim that you use? Oh, from the, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 00:09:06 Sometimes. Sometimes I use, yeah, sometimes I use that. And, but, uh, I think that better bone or yellow or whatever topic is done. So I, I said that if, if you have good lambing, and that is become preliminary object chain.
Speaker 4 00:09:25 Yes, yes. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 5 00:09:28 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:09:32 Lamb, today, I think they, they're very nicely. Yeah. But, uh, of course is very nice, very long though.
Speaker 5 00:09:40 Oh, very extensive. There are a lot of details there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:09:44 <laugh> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yes. That's very nice, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. I once had an amazing experience with the man Kim, you know, with your, with your Manche. You're the top guy.
Speaker 5 00:09:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very well there. Yeah. So he
Speaker 4 00:10:00 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I was on an airplane. Oh, yeah. I was going to Washington, DC Oh, in New York. Oh. And, and he came on that airplane. He was going to St. Louis or somewhere. Uhhuh. <affirmative>. He was going to the middle of the country. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but he's not quite, where he first went to Washington and then continued on another, you know, to another airport.
Speaker 5 00:10:22 Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4 00:10:24 So he was not going to Washington, but, but he was still on that plane. Ah-huh. <affirmative>. And he came in two, two of his attendants.
Speaker 5 00:10:33 Oh, yes. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:10:34 <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then by accident, his seat, oh, on the plane was next to my seat. Oh. Like a complete, uh, wonderful. <unk>.
Speaker 5 00:10:48 Yes.
Speaker 4 00:10:49 And so he comes. So I'm sitting there, and this Lama comes, I hadn't seen him for 20 years.
Speaker 5 00:10:56 Oh, yes. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:10:57 <affirmative>, I hadn't met him. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And he's suddenly sitting next to me. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:11:02 Next to you, huh?
Speaker 4 00:11:03 Only two wonderful hour and, and 90 minutes. Oh. So, uh, so we had a wonderful conversation on the plane.
Speaker 5 00:11:13 Yes.
Speaker 4 00:11:14 And his true attendance seat was in the next row. Oh, yeah. So he and I were alone together in the plane in just two seats. Uhhuh <affirmative>.
Speaker 5 00:11:21 Yes. Yes. He met
Speaker 4 00:11:22 Him meeting, I was so surprised mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so pleased that I met him. I had such a gig with the head guy there. He was so nice. Also, he remembered me. I didn't, I wasn't sure who he was at first, because I didn't remember to, you know, been a long time. Yes. Maybe over 20 years. And then he remembered right away, and he said, oh, yes. Hello, how are you? I remember you from Gek mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, uh, in Missouri. Yes. And Oh, Hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 5 00:11:53 Yes. Yes. And,
Speaker 4 00:11:55 And then, uh, we made a plan mm-hmm. <affirmative> to get Tibetans to decide that burn is a form of Buddhism.
Speaker 5 00:12:04 Yes. That's true.
Speaker 4 00:12:05 In the west, in the west, like, uh, la number of <unk>. And unlike herself, people say that's Buddhism. Yes. And I agree. I personally agree. I think it's just
Speaker 5 00:12:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 00:12:21 Because you wanna become Sanja. Yeah,
Speaker 5 00:12:24 Yeah. That's true. Sanja like bud, for the, for the, so many Buddha and so many <unk>. Right,
Speaker 4 00:12:32 Exactly. There's many more than one Buddha. So you have your own mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 5 00:12:40 That's
Speaker 4 00:12:40 True. So we made the agreement that we should agree to accept each other's Buddhas. Yeah,
Speaker 5 00:12:46 Of course, of course. Yeah. I
Speaker 4 00:12:47 Think that's the case. But you know, in Tibet, they've not yet reached that idea. Yeah,
Speaker 5 00:12:52 Yeah, yeah. Because Tibet like little bit isolated, usually two. And then, like, that is not, not that much. Like see the outside and Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:13:04 And then they have the communism attacking both of them.
Speaker 5 00:13:07 Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. Communist.
Speaker 4 00:13:11 So then they tend to hold onto their own. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> original difference.
Speaker 5 00:13:16 That's true. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:13:18 He and I had such a discussion that that was the case, and we had, I lo I enjoyed so much. I was such a blessing meeting him. I really remember.
Speaker 5 00:13:27 Oh, how was wonderful. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:13:30 The last time I met him mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, uh, but it was, so I, he must have had Clairs or some magic.
Speaker 5 00:13:36 Oh, yeah. I think, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4 00:13:38 Come next to seat.
Speaker 5 00:13:44 Yeah. Wonderful.
Speaker 4 00:13:49 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, so can tell me then, um, how do you, so say I'm just a new American student. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, how do you point out about the Zen to me? Can you do that? Can you, you know the,
Speaker 5 00:14:01 Oh,
Speaker 4 00:14:02 Yeah, of course. <unk>.
Speaker 5 00:14:06 <unk> Oh, yes. For, uh, Chen, we have, as I mentioned, about nine waste of bone. Yes. Yes. So there, there are the other eight workers under the, uh, job chain. And those are, uh, so many of them. Same, like what mention about <unk> same. And also have also, and yoga, like similar. And so some different meaning, like something like different name. But, but the main tropic is similar. So those are all, um, making like, uh, uh, effort, like, like some youth methods minds and yogas and mantras and, uh, visualization of duties. They have national city, so many things, but in ocean, uh, totally, uh, should be, uh, effortless. And then there is, uh, uh, we have say, uh, so many, uh, so many masters, like, uh, priority and s and uncertainties. So many, many, uh, but actually the main thing, uh, the single, uh, energy.
Speaker 5 00:15:51 So her, her appearance are, um, integrated into, uh, one energy. That is, that is the, uh, the, uh, inner space or inner light. Yes. You use the word is, uh, <unk> also also word. Word use, like, uh, special. The name is Aion. That is, so, so that is meant some, uh, scripture explained that. So, yeah. So, uh, this is like we have, uh, um, uh, related or little, uh, similar with Buddha Nature. We have some, we have said the Buddha Nature. So Buddha nature is just directly, uh, recognize this like, uh, authentic condition that is, uh, uh, was say pride bodily, uh, enlightened quality existence. Yeah. So, so that directly, uh, introduce Jews and, and, uh, if people Mm. Recognize that and make familiar only that enough for you without other methods. So spontaneous, there is the six ation, 10 ation, everything spontaneous there. Uh, so in finally, you have say like in, um, uh, live jam, you have physical battery, little bit off like that. And then if you have, uh, uh, separate, uh, physical body, and then looks like, uh, the, the, uh, uh, kinder lamp in the West, west, and you, uh, the west is breakdown, and then kinder lime is emerging like that. I see. That's similar. Like I see if you have wonderful experience, and then after that time, uh, during that time, you have, after separating your body and mind, and then these whole energies are emerging. And then, uh, it will be get the rainbow body. So that is the part of the, uh, main mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 4 00:18:28 Yes. Yes. Like I call, you call that the introduction, the the dog chain.
Speaker 5 00:18:35 Yeah. Chenin. Like that is what is dog like this whole
Speaker 4 00:18:40 Identifying Yeah.
Speaker 5 00:18:41 Horror phenomenon ion Yeah. Yeah. Whole phenomenon. Actually, whole phenomena are, uh, integrate whole one one energy. So if you understand that, and then, uh, you, uh, naturally, uh, remove your, uh, uh, say, uh, delusional mind and obs obscuration and whole negative energies, just ity. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:19:09 <affirmative>. That's wonderful. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's wonderful. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And do, do you, you said do, do you, is you feel that the, the, uh, burn Buddhism, uh, considers a little different from the NMA yoga one? How do you explain that difference? Okay. The way that, oh,
Speaker 5 00:19:29 Yeah. That's very good question. So, so many, many of, of basic idea for the about bone, and I think not very much different. Uh, I read, I read also, uh, the numa. We have, uh, 17th injunction text. So, so most of them similar and some of new, they have, uh, lot of collaborative with, with tan, uh, the GT practice, practice that is, I feel little bit, uh, little bit different categories.
Speaker 4 00:20:14 I see the way they connect, yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 5 00:20:18 Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Also, bone has to be, have like a, the bone has, has a major, uh, four, uh, oxy. One ox, like, also have like some, uh, collaborative with <inaudible>. And, uh, and, and, uh, J mantra, they have that. But that is, I, I thought that's related with the new ma, um, <inaudible>. So other otherwise is most of the, uh, same sales trend and, uh, uh, same.
Speaker 4 00:21:05 Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Mostly. Right. So I, i, is it, is it correct to say, um, Dr. Nita teaches very much the, uh, version, um, the teachings of the Utah gumbo?
Speaker 5 00:21:20 Yes. You know,
Speaker 4 00:21:21 Because you talk about what taught the medicine. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 00:21:24 Medicine. Yeah. You talking,
Speaker 4 00:21:26 So you talk about, seems to consider the LaMi, uh, zori as being part of the last highest part of wro.
Speaker 5 00:21:38 Yes.
Speaker 4 00:21:40 Jochen is beyond demo, but then still they are useful as a kind of the, the end of the munro. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> is, is that the same for the burn, do you think? In other words, if you have Munro starts with lamb rim. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, so contains Santa also. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 5 00:21:59 That's true. Then
Speaker 4 00:22:02 Yeah. Then find mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's beyond all of that, but it's sort of at the top of all the tan mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 5 00:22:09 Oh, yeah. That's a very good question. Because in, uh, is like purpose for our, the mind on the dharma, um, because ordinary people, they, uh, we have maybe the 80%, 19 90% people in the world is they, they don't have, uh, uh, the enthusi for practice dharma. Right? So is the proposed for your mind is, uh, uh, like focusing on dharma and then like part of devotion and com, compassion and body is for the whole establishing the, your, uh, focusing to dharma. That is, uh, if we don't have that, and then, uh, how can you understand it to practice chain? Right? Right. So that's why it is very important for, uh, for Monro. Uh, also, Monro is not, not like, uh, beginner people because, uh, he got, uh, he actually rainbow, but he, his morning, he is, uh, the daily practice, the beginning, every day.
Speaker 5 00:23:32 So he, that's why wonder is not only the beginning, but always, for example, uh, meta teaching, right? Meta and permanence said there is a, you need, uh, need remember, uh, uh, permanent morning from morning. Yes. And then, then you, your practice goes, goes to the, uh, middle of the day, and then maybe you forget mid afternoon, and then you remember again. So then your, your practice going to, to evening. So that, is that the same thing, like practice? These are conventional practice, all things always necessary. That is the, like, uh, your, uh, remain for your, uh, focusing dharma. That is the also <inaudible>.
Speaker 4 00:24:25 Yes, yes, yes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That's wonderful. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Now, that's really wonderful. We, can I ask another question? I have this question. You know, the, the Buddhist, Tibetan Buddhist, um, they, they think that source of the dharma teaching in this era historically is from Shimon, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, and so that was the difference in they consider in Tibet, right? But, uh, then Buddhas also waiting for next Buddha mire. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And also there's going to be 995 more Buddhas mm-hmm. <affirmative> Buddhas. Yes. Yes. So, do you also wait for, do you have, do you feel there will be a future, a new set up or come someone a new Buddha?
Speaker 5 00:25:09 Yes. Yes. That is a different name. Like new, new Buddha, uh, me. Yeah. To me, me, me. <unk>
Speaker 4 00:25:20 I see mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah,
Speaker 5 00:25:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that is, will become, that is system like similar, because also bone has like, um, Buddha, and then also this, this Buddha little bit difference, like Buddha is like, uh, the 8 1, 8 1, I see 8, 8, 1. And then ninth one is <unk>. I, but also, also same system, like <unk> also, uh, one one era. One era. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:26:05 Okay. Okay. Good. And then, then also then in burn, you also have the <unk>. <unk> you have
Speaker 5 00:26:17 Turku is like, uh, more I can say like, uh, Turku recognize, or this is Turku, because Turku is naturally, they say, oh, this, this important Lama, uh, is the, uh, is this is the, uh, uh, reincarnation, um, Paris, Paris, holy Bank, some masters. That is always, always said that. But, but very few for that somebody, uh, recognize, oh, you are this. And then that is very rare.
Speaker 4 00:26:53 I see. More rare.
Speaker 5 00:26:54 More rare. Yeah. No, not, not you short. Yeah. I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 00:26:59 Resemble the manager. Yeah. He was considered a true,
Speaker 5 00:27:04 Oh, no, no, no. He's just, uh, just, uh, like for the, uh,
Speaker 4 00:27:17 Uh,
Speaker 5 00:27:18 Uh, system. Yes. We also, they consider this is like recognized by the pot.
Speaker 4 00:27:30 I see. I see. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 00:27:32 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:27:32 <affirmative>. Yeah. There's a lot of the, the, the, the, the other Buddhists in Tibet have a lot of,
Speaker 5 00:27:38 Yeah, a lot of reation. Yeah. But not, that is not, not usual in bone. Yeah. Yeah. I
Speaker 4 00:27:46 See. I see. We,
Speaker 5 00:27:47 We have bone. Bone. We have like a new bone, like say new bone. Uh, but, uh, there's, uh, the four poor, uh, great, uh, tur. So, so those are related with, and so, so in newborn, they have more tur.
Speaker 4 00:28:13 I see, I see. In newborn.
Speaker 5 00:28:15 Newborn, yeah. Newborn. Yeah. Newborn. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:28:19 Not that I, so that's interesting. I have a funny, I have a friend, I had a <unk> friend mm-hmm. <affirmative> <unk>.
Speaker 5 00:28:32 Oh, yes.
Speaker 4 00:28:35 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, when he was very old, I, I'll try to speak English for the audience. Yeah. But when he, when he was old mm-hmm. <affirmative>, his student, he wask. Yeah. So his students in Virginia mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he had a place in mm-hmm. <affirmative> in Charlottesville. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And they were very, very devoted to him. Yes. They asked him, once they told me, I wasn't there, but one of his students told me, they asked him, they said, oh, <unk> you're such a great teacher, how come you're not a reincarnation? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> a true mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And he said to them, oh, I always wanted to be, but all the good ones were already taken. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,
Speaker 5 00:29:21 Uhhuh, <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:29:23 In other words, every good one in history that he knew about somebody else already was the reincarnation of that Uhhuh,
Speaker 5 00:29:29 Uhhuh, <affirmative>.
Speaker 4 00:29:30 No one left. There were so many reincarnations. Yes,
Speaker 5 00:29:36 Yes. Perfect.
Speaker 4 00:29:37 It's a very good job. I can tell. I thought it was a, everyone thought it was very good joke.
Speaker 5 00:29:42 Yeah. Very good joke. That
Speaker 4 00:29:44 Already taken. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> all the best ones, you know, couldn't
Speaker 5 00:29:48 Much <laugh>. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. We have lot of Turk budk. I know.
Speaker 4 00:29:55 I know. But not so many and burn. So you have more opportunity. That's very
Speaker 5 00:29:59 Oh, yes. <laugh>, he want somebody. And then more opportunity. <laugh> Yes.
Speaker 4 00:30:08 Was very, um, one thing I wanted to just mention that Dr. Nita. Yes. My son, you know, my, my jean, Dr. Nita. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, he also is, uh, dog Chan. He teaches dog channels. Oh, yeah. Very. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And he, but he's so happy recently. Yeah. Because he took a retreat last year, and he, uh, listened to a lot of, uh, d lama initiation online. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he didn't, he wasn't able to go to India. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> or meet him. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Cause he's from still, he still has a residence in China. You know, he has a passport. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:30:47 Yeah. That, that
Speaker 4 00:30:49 He has a little bit difficulty going to traveling to do Hall. Yeah,
Speaker 5 00:30:52 Of course.
Speaker 4 00:30:53 So, but he had taken a lot of teachings and listened to a lot of teaching online. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 5 00:30:59 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 4 00:31:00 And then he heard D Lama say that when, uh, John Kapa visited Lo Nagan. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, Nagan Yes. Teacher. Yes. Yes. In his time. Yeah. That, um, Nagan had taught, uh, John <inaudible>. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 5 00:31:22 His story there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:31:25 And, uh, John then, because Nagan turned out to, he would see Nagan, like, uh, <unk>. Yes.
Speaker 5 00:31:34 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:31:35 <affirmative>. And then he gave him long. So he was very happy that Thema said that Zba himself needed help from Chen teacher. Oh, yeah. When he had his. So what do you think about that?
Speaker 5 00:31:49 Oh, yeah. That is his history. Is, uh, say that also actually, yeah. Hundred percent. Very good connection. Uh, uh, with, uh, <unk>. Uh, also, I saw the story. There is, uh, the lamb, actually, lamb, um, uh, main from also, that is also I saw. Yeah. So, yeah. So, and I saw this, um, gok, right? The, the, the Yes, yes. Or something like discuss with <unk>. I saw there, there are some, um, very important capture also. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:32:45 Yes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Oh, good. You did. Really? I didn't see that. I just know the <unk>. Oh, about, oh,
Speaker 5 00:32:53 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:32:56 <unk>. Yeah. And talk about, yeah,
Speaker 5 00:33:00 About, about that view and about related with, and related with the, uh, because the, uh, ultimate nature, the main thing, uh, how to, uh, explain about how to think about nature that is <unk> part of that also have, right, right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So
Speaker 4 00:33:24 That's really good. So now, now can, can I ask you more about your life? It's so interesting.
Speaker 5 00:33:28 Oh, yes. Thank you. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you
Speaker 4 00:33:30 Were, you first studied in Tibet, right? How old were you when you left Tibet?
Speaker 5 00:33:35 Oh, that time, I think around 22 years old when I left my country. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:33:43 Yeah. You left, you left Tibet. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Had you been, were you by that before that, or No, you,
Speaker 5 00:33:49 Yeah. That time. I, yes, that time I was, uh, yes.
Speaker 4 00:33:53 <affirmative>, you were mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you come to India's and you, you enrolled at, uh mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Ats. You went to Simla, or you went right away to Cje? Oh,
Speaker 5 00:34:03 I, uh, first I came to India. At that time, I, I went to the Shimla city. I, I, I stayed there in five years. I see. And then study special bone, and also other, uh, science something ring. Right. So I, I, uh, uh, studied that. And then after that, uh, I went tosche, uh, about 10 years study the philosophy, PERA and Midway, and then Umma, and this, this study more. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:34:48 Wonderful. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So in, in burned literature, do you have someone like <unk> who wrote the <unk> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So like Aza shared type of book. Do you have a nao like, book like that?
Speaker 5 00:35:12 So, so, so, so these are, these are some, some teaching from his teachings and, um, study or commentary. Commentary of this. Yeah,
Speaker 4 00:35:31 Of course. I know. I was wondering that in the history of Burn mm-hmm. <affirmative>, is there something like, uh, Lutu mm-hmm. <affirmative> Dar who wrote in a lot of important books about the Umma?
Speaker 5 00:35:43 Oh, yes, yes. So this is one we have like, uh, the, uh, so those are, uh, after, uh, 11th century, 10th, uh, 10th century, we have like, like, and, uh, okay. Because they umk in center of ti they have the, um, monk education center. So there, there is, uh, there was the, um, the gray, um, 18, 18, 18, 18
Speaker 5 00:36:34 Grade secular. Yeah. So, so I see. So, so, so these secular, they they wrote many, uh, yeah. Yeah. So, so some, some they, uh, focusing on more like this, this, so, uh, that time, like we have a whole, uh, Tibetan design system. We have like enthusiastic more, and, uh, many translator came and, uh, that time also, uh, also born establishing like philosophy. And Gemma, these are, these are also, uh, related with, with other b <inaudible>. Like, they, they learn also from bud. So many, many women. And sema like that also bone development for that time.
Speaker 4 00:37:33 Yes. Yes. So good. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> wonderful. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Which I don't think there's translations into English of their work or there. I don't think so. Mostly the burn translation or the advanced <unk> type teaching. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:37:46 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:37:46 But to the, in thek, like, UMK
Speaker 5 00:37:51 That, because the, uh, also, I, I consider this like, uh, bomb has the, actually the small community, and then, uh, the very few laas, and in, in West, west country, where I think only like little bit <inaudible>, but otherwise, the, so many of these teachings not yet, uh, existence in the, in the western, western country. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
Speaker 4 00:38:20 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Right. Right. So I wonder, I I, now that I think about it, I don't even know, uh, you know, LA Ink, uh, who is in Virginia. Have you, have you visited his center there?
Speaker 5 00:38:33 Oh, one time I visited there. Yeah. So, yeah.
Speaker 4 00:38:36 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, does he have, does he have a gallon? There are no Amer Are there any American bubo Galls
Speaker 5 00:38:46 American, you know,
Speaker 4 00:38:47 The, uh,
Speaker 5 00:38:48 American. Yeah. He, he, he used to, uh, to, uh, in, in, he, he was monk, and he, he got <unk>. Yeah. But I, I don't, I don't see any, any American people. They are, uh, become monk. I don't,
Speaker 4 00:39:11 You don't have any student who wanna be No, no,
Speaker 5 00:39:14 No. In Europe. No, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4 00:39:18 Yeah. Right, right. But in, but in, uh, similar, there are some monks, right? Some Tibetan monks. Yeah,
Speaker 5 00:39:25 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That Tibetan monk, they have have so many, many of them. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:39:33 Right, right. So, so, uh, so some, sometime I met some monk. I thi I thought were gall, who were traveling with 10. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:39:42 Yeah, that's true. That's, these are, we have,
Speaker 4 00:39:46 When they used before Covid, before the Uhhuh I used and some other monks, whose names I don't remember. Yes, yes. In the Ity conference. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:39:56 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's true.
Speaker 4 00:39:59 So we meet,
Speaker 5 00:40:01 We meet also that couple of times. Yeah. I You also, yeah. San Jose. San Jose, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4 00:40:12 Yeah. Are they doing that? They don't do that conference anymore, I think.
Speaker 5 00:40:16 Oh, they, oh yeah. They, they have some, uh, online. I think you, you know, I didn't, uh, participate after that. Yes. Online. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>
Speaker 4 00:40:27 Physical. They haven't had, but maybe they will again now. Oh, yeah. I, I, I enjoy coming to California for those.
Speaker 5 00:40:33 Yeah. If you come, uh, come to the, uh, conference, we, we see you again. You met <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:40:41 You met Isa. Yeah. Yeah. Meet
Speaker 5 00:40:45 With Isa. We have together. There is a good time for the couple of times we had the meeting there.
Speaker 4 00:40:53 Oh, wonderful. Wonderful. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>
Speaker 5 00:40:55 Really
Speaker 4 00:40:55 Great. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That's really good. Do you come to the East Coast sometimes? Uh, do you ever come?
Speaker 5 00:41:01 Little while, uh, a few, few years ago. I didn't come. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:41:08 Okay. Yeah. Well, if you come east, you should visit us. We would love to have you come and visit. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:41:13 Thank you so much. We have
Speaker 4 00:41:14 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we have a place, I tell you, at men at Tibet house, you can give talk, and we, sometimes we have event in, uh, Mela, but we've never had, uh, Laton in, has given teaching at Tibet house, right? In Oh,
Speaker 5 00:41:28 Yes, yes. So I, yeah. When I come there is, I contact you, yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 4 00:41:34 Oh, good. That would be good.
Speaker 5 00:41:35 <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:41:37 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And you said lots of, I don't know the history about Viro. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and Vik you mentioned.
Speaker 5 00:41:47 Yes, yes.
Speaker 4 00:41:49 And other, many others. And then Guru. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Now, do you do the Bubo consider guru to have been a teacher of Ben also as well as, uh, what?
Speaker 5 00:42:00 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Same has the gu, especially the newborn. Newborn has the main, main duty and man.
Speaker 4 00:42:15 Oh,
Speaker 5 00:42:16 They have <unk>. Yeah. Yeah. Same is the same. Also the Gu is Biograph three. Three Williams there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:42:42 That's really, mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 5 00:42:43 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:42:44 <affirmative>. I really like Gu. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:42:48 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:42:49 He's really, he's really great. He, he, he is still there. Wait, do you know where is, uh, the, uh, <inaudible>, um, sank? Do you, do you have a, do you, do you know about that and burn the, like, San Oh,
Speaker 4 00:43:11 Where is that? Is that in Africa?
Speaker 5 00:43:13 I think Z is, uh, there is, uh, uh, in Pakistan, I think, like, uh, this, yeah, they recognize the part of the Pakistan area there.
Speaker 4 00:43:29 I see. So, cause in the, in some people say it's an island in the ocean. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> from India, you know, to the south southwest of India.
Speaker 5 00:43:40 Yeah. Like they said that. Yeah. And, uh, I don't know the people, uh, actually there could go, but, uh, so, uh, they recognize people that is in the, uh, uh, Pakistan area. So, but in there is sometimes difficult to visit. There actually people maybe, uh, of the, some politician and religion. Religion, something like proper, we have issues, right?
Speaker 4 00:44:15 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, yes. Yes. Yes. So that's good. I, I like to go there, Marc, myself sometimes mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but I don't know where it is. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> <unk> place. <unk> place. Supposedly all the painting show, like jungle. Yeah. You know, like a Congo or something. Yeah. That's it.
Speaker 5 00:44:33 Where is
Speaker 4 00:44:34 It? Nobody knows. Okay. So, so, um, okay. So, um, in America then, um, how do we, go ahead, Rema. You, you like the Rema? I like it. REIT too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, uh, <unk> you mentioned mm-hmm. <affirmative>, all these wonderful. You have also <unk> I think. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:44:58 Yeah, yeah. <unk> for example, <unk> very 10th century. So he, uh, he discovered so many bone, bone sculpture, uh, thema. I see, I see. That is, uh, is very important for him. And some, some teaching, like I said, uh, his, his treasure, uh, teaching <unk> <unk> Naka, he recognized God is naka, but there's something <laugh> something very <inaudible> idea. Uh, he, his, his thema also mentioned many things.
Speaker 4 00:46:01 I see. I see. So is the new, the newborn, you mentioned old and Newburn, and the Newburn. Is this, uh, is this come from Dus that people that Bubo found? Oh,
Speaker 5 00:46:14 Yeah. Yes. Main, main, main thing. We found many, many new, uh, uh, new newborns captured because the, they, uh, mentioned about the eighth century Gu. They, they have very, very good connection, spiritual path. And then they already Remi, become Remi. Then they, uh, put, put the, there, put there for, uh, uh, sculpture everywhere. And then after, uh, uh, uh, 10th, 11th century, uh, so many s appeared, and then they discovered for the, uh, for the, uh, Remi, uh, many Remi, uh, <unk> and teaching. They have the uni of them, like,
Speaker 4 00:47:10 Yeah. I see, I see. So, so I wonder if there could be American thema. Can you find in modern, are, can you find that? I think, are you, you must be Teo, are you attaching yourself
Speaker 5 00:47:24 <laugh>,
Speaker 4 00:47:26 American? Te
Speaker 5 00:47:27 I'm not. But, but sometimes means like, that, that idea is also maybe that from idea, some <laugh> know
Speaker 4 00:47:43 His willingness. I think he is like a third in this sense, say that he found a text somewhere. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But what he says that, um, he says that he believes that other religions, like even Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, that they, you can attain enlightenment through those religions. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, so that we shouldn't try to convert people to Buddhism. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 5 00:48:15 <affirmative>. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:48:17 He has a theory like that, which is a really reay extending the reay beyond Buddhism mm-hmm. <affirmative> to other buds. So that's very innovative. Do you know? Do you know what I mean? That's a very new, that's a new idea from Buddhist. Yeah.
Speaker 5 00:48:31 That new idea. Buddhism. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:48:34 Other words, we think that you have to be Buddhist to attain Buddha.
Speaker 5 00:48:38 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yes.
Speaker 4 00:48:39 You know? Sure. Also has that the old has that idea. And old bud definitely has that idea. He admits that. Lama admits that when I heard him once, actually, I translated one talk he gave once to an, my Tibetan was better mm-hmm. <affirmative> when I was 30 old. And, uh, I'm 81, 82 years old myself. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:49:02 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:49:03 I think I'm 82, you know, so that's why my language is a little ruined. But anyway, I translated for him to some Christian, and he was saying that he considered that when he met Thomas Merchant mm-hmm. <affirmative> and some other Christian, mystic, you know, meditator, Christian meditator in Spain. Spain and such places mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that he believed they were enlightened. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, they were like chuba or something. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, he didn't actually say he thought they were Buddha, but he thought they were something like, Hmm. You know, like, like mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, and, uh, so he'd think it's possible through other religion, you can become enlightened. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So that's, that's like a Dema idea. That's a new idea. Yeah,
Speaker 5 00:49:47 Yeah. Yeah. That is, that's like extending that True.
Speaker 4 00:49:52 Yeah. That's extending rema to, to other religion. Yes. As well as to Buddhism. Like between burn and, and, uh, Shai Buddhism, you have Shk, uh, uh, what's it, what do you call
Speaker 5 00:50:14 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 4 00:50:15 That's right. <unk> Sanja. So you have San Shut, we have Sanjay, uh, Sanjay Shun. Mm-hmm. But yet we, for Rema, we say <unk>. That's our rema within Buddhism mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and then, um, within the world mm-hmm. <affirmative> on the modern world. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we say everybody can entertain enlightenment with their own teachers.
Speaker 5 00:50:41 Yes. Yes.
Speaker 4 00:50:43 And they can learn from other teachers Yes. And other divisions. That's like Rema theory.
Speaker 5 00:50:48 Yes, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 4 00:50:50 That's that. But there's no the, like that, like, uh, dial lama, dial lama himself just says that, and he believes that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and he teaches.
Speaker 5 00:50:59 That's true.
Speaker 4 00:51:00 So therefore, we have America, we have what we call mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we have some oos in your center there. In other words, they maintain their connection with Judas Center. Yes.
Speaker 5 00:51:11 Yes. I, I know, I know these, these people. Yes. Uh, ju Yes.
Speaker 4 00:51:15 Yeah. And, and they like, uh, they like, uh, uh, uh, bird. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5 00:51:20 Yeah. For example,
Speaker 4 00:51:21 Example. And they also maintain their connection mm-hmm. With the, so more, like, more like
Speaker 5 00:51:29 That's true
Speaker 4 00:51:31 Grandmother.
Speaker 5 00:51:32 Yeah. So my, my, my student is most of the, most of them me, because also I talk, talk, sometimes <inaudible> talk sometimes for the hard is the, I I talk about making about hard shooter is the basic of the jock chain view, because, uh, uh, the is same. So first introduce hard and then second introduce chain. So then, then, uh, my students are, uh, most of them Remi. And, uh, so, uh, I consider for about the, like, uh, s also, also basically Remi, there's no beyond of religion. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:52:18 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That's right. Right. But, but, uh, but, uh, so, but, but if we extend reme then to other religion Yeah. Then we, there's an essence, there's a kind of essence even in Christianity or, or Islam that is beyond religion also. You know, like they, they had their own. Oh yeah. It
Speaker 5 00:52:37 Should be, yeah. It should be, yes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you
Speaker 4 00:52:40 Know, there are some SoFis and some Christian mystic and Judaic mystic who say that when they really meet God, you know, they're watching Right. When they meet God, that the heart of God is empty. <unk>. That's like Tony.
Speaker 5 00:53:04 Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 00:53:05 Tony is also burn.
Speaker 5 00:53:07 Yeah. Yeah. Tony is of the, of the, and, and, and whatever. Everything is basic energy. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:53:19 So that's like a Tema. But it would be very exciting if one lama like yourself, you found in the mount, in the Rocky Mountain. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, or in Nevada, you found a special text put there by gu.
Speaker 5 00:53:36 Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yes. We have also have <unk>. <unk> also name is <unk>. Yeah, yeah. P p pure text. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:53:56 <affirmative>. Right. I like that. You know, I translated one copy of the part. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 5 00:54:01 Yeah, yeah. <unk>
Speaker 4 00:54:05 But then I had an argument with the Library of Congress mm-hmm. In America, I don't think you might know that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I had an argument with them mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because earlier translations, they said author was Oh,
Speaker 5 00:54:18 Yeah. <unk>
Speaker 4 00:54:20 They didn't say author was Che, they say car. So I argued with them. I said, you can't say that because Tibetans say that Che was author and Cara was Charact who discovered,
Speaker 5 00:54:34 Discovered that scripture. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:54:39 Right. So actual authors Gu che, in fact not.
Speaker 5 00:54:42 Yeah, of course.
Speaker 4 00:54:43 So I'm, so they agreed with this <laugh>, and, and my, in my, my version there has the author Gu Che Uhhuh and Car has
Speaker 5 00:54:53 Discovered, discovered that text. Yes. That's good. Yeah,
Speaker 4 00:54:56 That's right. I made Library of Congress in America. I agree with that. Yeah. So I'm very, I was very, that's one thing I thought I,
Speaker 5 00:55:05 Oh, I know. I read also your, uh, your, uh, book. I read also that very, very, it was very wonderful. Yes. I, I thought that, uh, uh, that's why I thought for you, you are, your topic in your, uh, education is very wide, very big. Huge. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:55:27 I try, I'm following. I'm just following an example of his holiness. Mm-hmm. And Dr. And yourself. Now, I agree with all of you by, and then you, you wrote a lot of books in Tibetan, but are your students, or is somebody translating them? Oh,
Speaker 5 00:55:43 Uh, not yet. Translate Tibetan, because last, last year also, I wrote this book. This book is, uh, this book is like, uh, uh, related with, and also, also this is good for, uh, and also, uh, yeah, he was very, very, for the, for the, uh, ancient, uh, lineage. Lineage. And also the history. And also and uh, <unk>. And then also they, uh, yeah. And then,
Speaker 4 00:56:40 Sorry, somebody <inaudible> in,
Speaker 5 00:56:42 Yeah. Not yet English, but this is bio o over, uh, 500 pages.
Speaker 4 00:56:52 Yeah.
Speaker 5 00:56:52 500 mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 4 00:56:56 Oh, fantastic. Yes.
Speaker 5 00:56:58 This is, uh, 500 pages. Yeah. This is, uh, for the last year I finished mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 4 00:57:06 Yes.
Speaker 5 00:57:06 Yes.
Speaker 4 00:57:07 Well, you should translate this into English.
Speaker 5 00:57:10 Yeah, it should be English. Yes.
Speaker 4 00:57:14 So the one of your, so are there any of your students who are working on
Speaker 5 00:57:18 That? Uh, not yet. Not yet.
Speaker 4 00:57:21 Yeah. I see. So we must
Speaker 5 00:57:23 Yeah. Yeah, that's true. This, this both, both bulk, both of the bulk is over. 3000, 4,000 is now finished. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 4 00:57:34 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Well, good. So lemme know if we can help you. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:57:37 Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 00:57:38 Uh, we, if we, if you know, let me know if maybe, uh, I know I don't have, I re I retired from my university mm-hmm. <affirmative>, so I don't have graduate student anymore. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But maybe in the future, some graduate student would take up study. Mm-hmm. Hmm. <affirmative> of your books translate to English, perhaps. You know, that would be very, I will encourage, uh, Mike, whoever takes my chair. Oh,
Speaker 5 00:58:02 Thank you so much. Thank, thank
Speaker 4 00:58:03 You so much. Encourage. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I'll encourage. So listen, we are running outta time now. Nice. But is there any last thing you would like to say in general to any new student? Or just, just for, to go on the podcast, just your own teaching. Would you like to give some short teaching, five, 10 minutes of what you would like to, just your message mm-hmm. <affirmative> for today? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> for nowadays. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 00:58:29 Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 00:58:32 Cause we were running. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 5 00:58:34 Thank you. Uh, so Norm, my essence of meditation, uh, uh, I talk about the, uh, first the recognize, uh, introduce the, uh, Buddha nature or, or ultimate nature, like, uh, prime mother, Buddhahood, uh, I could say, okay. Uh, prime motor, pretty nature of mind. So that is the mm-hmm. <affirmative> part of luminal light and, uh, infinite space. So that is, uh, uh, I introduce and then, then, um, they eventually understand more and more, and then they could, could do meditation on that way. So very beginning, um, practitioner. And, uh, so I can, uh, try to introduce the, uh, cameraing. So, because mind is mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, should be calm for the, for the meditation, any meditation necessary. So mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So then we have aor, um, aor. There is, uh, watch through eyes, uh, support for beginning, but not always necessary. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And if you have stable your mind, and then you, you don't watch, uh, I by eyes, but you watch through your mind consciousness and, and then, uh, if you have stability for that, and then, then second level areas, level extra to meditation, just you, you release the presentation and then, then totally open your, uh, your mind.
Speaker 5 01:00:22 And, uh, uh, and you aware on the special wellness, uh, uh, light on, if light on there is everything, can see that same thing. Even, even you, uh, close eyes, but you can see for the inner light. So you, uh, mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that is a part of the first process, uh, setting. This is, uh, kind of setting up meditation, um, but not, not mm-hmm. <affirmative> not necessarily making effort by thought and mind, but naturally you relax, relax. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and without effort, without treating, without making, without judging. And then of course we have consciousness, thoughts, emotions, so many things because, uh, there is a edu agitation, laity, something, obstacles happening that time you, you must recognize for the obstacles, and then try to remote for those. So then that is, that is second, um, process. If we have, uh, uh, re restriction obscuration is this remote. Second, second process. And, and the entire process, again, you, uh, stay on the nature condition, um, uh, cultivating that balance continually. So that is third process. So it is very easy and simple. Um, so I say like, my meditation is very simple and big resort, so without complication. So, so that is, I do the normal meditation here. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 4 01:02:18 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, thank you so much. I'm so happy to meet you. I'm really happy and, uh, I'm really happy to meet you. I'm, so I wanna offer you a Oh,
Speaker 5 01:02:32 Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 4 01:02:36 I'm using the blue cutter. Oh,
Speaker 5 01:02:38 Nice. Thank you. Wonderful, wonderful. Oh, thank you so much. Thank you. Great, great honor for very wonderful, wonderful daughter. And, and great, great and other modern or education. I appreciate you, you are many decades for the, uh, service for Tibetan wisdom. <unk> So I know, I know. Support to the, to the Tibetan culture. Uh, so that is, I appreciate, uh, very much and thank you so much for today. Uh, be, be with me also. Wonderful. Thank you. <unk>.
Speaker 4 01:03:23 Yes. And thank you so much for transmitting the Children purchase wonderful presence with your biography. I look forward, I really will try to get copies of your
Speaker 5 01:03:32 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'll send you, I will send you the, uh, the copy. One copy.
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