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Speaker 0 00:00:14 Welcome to my mom's Thurman podcast. I'm so grateful and some good friends enabled me to present them to you. If you enjoy them and find them useful, please think of becoming a member of Tibet house us to help preserve Tibetan culture control center in America. Have a great day. This is episode 247. The task at
Speaker 1 00:01:14 Please, everyone. I'm very happy to be back at med law in this case, rather than my home studio. Um, I haven't been doing personal podcasts, like new, fresh material about the situation in the Berlin in the moment. I haven't been doing them for a while because of the COVID my engineer and I have been both home secluded. And so, and I agree, we haven't figured out how to do it on zoom. Although I think I might do that. But anyway, today, somehow I cleared the time and I decided I would do a podcast personal run about everything that's going on because after all, we really do need to catch up a little bit in regard to, so the type of thing I used to do when I would travel the country, I'm doing book tours and lecture tours and sort of thing where I had a lecture that I used to give a river, which was called Buddhist ethics and the world crisis.
Speaker 1 00:02:16 So it gave me kind of an excuse to, um, talk about the Dharma in a way, but talk about it in terms of contemporary affairs. And once one of my most favorite things that I did was in Mississippi, in Oxford, Mississippi at university of Mississippi, I did that, which is sort of a sentimental place for me indirectly because several generations ago where I had family in that area, I had a famous novelist in the South called stark young, who was a cousin and then people, even in the Forkner family and others, you know, although I was just joking, they think that, um, <inaudible> County, which was, uh, Faulkner's mythical County, where he had Benjamin did it. That was probably my family
Speaker 2 00:03:09 Because, you know,
Speaker 1 00:03:09 I don't really too much identify actually with mine,
Speaker 2 00:03:13 Wasp family
Speaker 1 00:03:15 From two directions, you know, I have one, one side, my father's side southerners and my mother's side are Northern area. So we spend a sort of terrible racist, you know, civil war battle from both directions, mother's side or abolitionists father's side, they were plantation owners. And, um, but I don't really identify with them. Not really only out of the roses. I bet maybe it's an element of neuro neuro. So somebody might like to say, I wouldn't deny it, but mainly because in the
Speaker 2 00:03:49 Tibetan practice, because
Speaker 1 00:03:51 Of the theory, the biological theory of karma, you don't really that much identify with your blood and own ancestors. You know, the right, the red and white ancestors, the mother, or the red one from the mother, the right one from the father, you don't so much identify with them. Rather, you identify with your Dharma ancestors, your spiritual ones, and you know, you have, they have rituals and meditations and ceremonies where you actually kind of replace your DNA with Dharma DNA. You know, Robin had blood and bone DNA. You don't know her that you have bone in there, but you don't really do ancestors. Now, other Buddhist nations do, or where Buddhism was in Asia, they still have some retain some notion of ancestors. And for example, Zen centers in Japan are pretty much funeral partners. Uh, and they have big cemeteries associated with them often and probably in China and Korea as well. And, um, pig out Han was very big on, you have to appreciate your ancestors and so
Speaker 2 00:04:52 Fine. We do that, but in a way
Speaker 1 00:04:55 They all beings are your ancestors. When you really get into karma and you really do see yourself as all beings are my mother, you do meditate that, and you do sort of diffuse the sense of kinship identification to spread it to heart, all beings, you know, and actually it's a deeper anti-racist thing. And it's very, it could be very important to develop such meditations. And then in tantra, especially you have a thing where you make offerings to have your own substance in a way you have a skull cup, and then you visualize that your own meat and blood flesh and blood is in the skullcap. And you don't ask if we want to do that, but you visualize that you imagine that, and then you offer that to your spiritual ancestors. And so in a way you're offering your blood and bone lineage to your spiritual lineage and you identify with your spiritual
Speaker 2 00:05:52 Heritage. And, um,
Speaker 1 00:05:54 You know, that's why I like to say, for example, we have to change the sensors and we don't have white anymore. We have to really get rid of one thing that would be one step towards eliminating white supremacy is getting rid of the category of white
Speaker 2 00:06:09 Because we're not right. We pig the people
Speaker 1 00:06:12 Well, who are called Caucasian or right, or whatever they get into about what seems to be a flexible category. I was shocked a few years ago when I started reading it that maybe a few decades ago. And I started reading that and I heard that the Irish were not considered white for a long time and the Italians and so on. And that's just a silly thing because the only people who are white or some clown who paints their face, right.
Speaker 2 00:06:38 You know, other
Speaker 1 00:06:39 People who are considered Caucasian are actually
Speaker 2 00:06:44 Pink
Speaker 1 00:06:45 And they were all in search of a tan, or at least they used to be before the ozone layer was depleted. And they got worried about ultraviolet light, creating sin, skin cancer. Otherwise it was pink people in quest of a town. And we don't need such a long thing. We just call it pink. So we have pink, black, yellow, red, and there must be green unless they are the race of thousands. I don't know which the green people are, but in ancient time you had some green people.
Speaker 2 00:07:14 So, okay.
Speaker 1 00:07:16 So I want to talk about contemporary situation and I haven't been doing this with you
Speaker 2 00:07:22 And I apologize, but
Speaker 1 00:07:24 Now we're going to, my engineer, Jobson is here and we're working on this and we're just doing it with an iPhone, with no fancy lighting and fancy microphones and all this. And I'm going to start getting some books. I've had people waiting
Speaker 2 00:07:38 To do book
Speaker 1 00:07:40 Events to try to market books, because there was no way of doing book tours or bookstore things. Now, all of a sudden, since the bad administration has been racking us and killing us with COVID. So that's the first place to start. One thing that's really been on my mind that the media has not made enough of a fuss about, and I'm kind of bugged with them for that reason is, you know, Taiwan, New Zealand have had very little deaths
Speaker 2 00:08:10 And very little infection. China
Speaker 1 00:08:12 Wiped out infection very quickly, our terrible initial burst of it. And how did they do that? They didn't have a vaccine. So since Trump started trying to spread blame away from himself and refuse to take responsibility for the really disastrous level of COVID death and COVID infection that we've had here in particularly affecting people of color, um, by rapping about operation workspace, we're going to have great vaccine and all this, and only vaccine will do the
Speaker 2 00:08:44 Job. Somehow the media
Speaker 1 00:08:46 Also got into the vaccine, let him get the vaccine. And even practically the incoming administration of Biden they're talking about. We want to help manage the vaccine, but the point is what they did. They refused to do proper federal control of COVID from the beginning. And they did it for purely two levels of selfish reasons. It seems there is a vanity fair expos article that came out finally recently about a group of industrialists and creative internet people. And so on, who went in, who made a plan and troops to the white house to present the plan and requested the administration to do the defense emergency production authorization act, you know, demand on their company to produce plenty of PPE in the United States, any of testing equipment and also chemicals, and also set up more labs everywhere. So there could have been massive testing from the beginning.
Speaker 1 00:09:51 And then the computer people came and said, we can do contact tracing through people's iPhone. And, you know, um, you know, um, not only I, it, but Android phones and iPhones, uh, right away. And this was in March of this last year when things were in the bad direction. And guess what? Mr. Cushner suppose so flub failure, like his uncle, like his father-in-law. He said, no, we don't want to do that. We're not doing that. Right. We let the market take care of things. And also we want to let the States manage and they have to do it. Of course, they don't have a defense emergency production authorization facility. They can't order companies to produce it. He knew that. And then he said, we're going to let it go and never blame the States. And because of those big States or all those democratic States, you know, they really, they didn't vote for us.
Speaker 1 00:10:47 So we're going to blame the States and then we're going to somehow come out of it, you know, and then we'll take credit federally, or we'll come out of it with a vaccine or with something at some stage after, have you blamed the States in this manner? And then he did, he basically confessed right away to that group, but not yet completely bluntly as bluntly as I'm expressing it, that they were going to use the thing to try to win reelection. And you do do in the democratic people. That is treason, actually like everything else they have done, you have to face the fact media will not call them traders, but they are actually, you know, the drums, especially him. And then his in-laws they're basically <inaudible> is the trope that has to get out into the public. They are traders, they are treasonous. They have aligned themselves with every enemy that the U S has had.
Speaker 1 00:11:47 So I have 5,000 or 200 years. They were aligned themselves. Johnny REBs, the people who betrayed the union to keep their slaves who were trying to take over the union with their slaves. And then when the, when Lincoln stood up against them and the new Republican party was formed as a radical party at the time as Lincoln at the head and won the 1860 election, they split off and people like Jefferson Davis and, um, uh, Robert E. Lee broke their vows to the union that they took at West point and pretended that, you know, I have a higher Homeland, which is the South rather than the union, and it's a slave holders and slave owning and the slave economy that I have a higher duty to. And I was so pleased, general McChrystal, you know, I'm a Buddhist and really, I shouldn't admire super killer generals, but in a way I liked him.
Speaker 1 00:12:49 You know, I had a lot of them and my family are actually in the past and sort of in general and lots of hours on both sides of different worlds. And, uh, but anyway, it's just that I don't really like war Margarets. I think there's a bigger war to be achieved by congruent your own inner enemy, that I really am a converted in that direction. And, but I do admire that he wrote an op-ed that I read not too long ago where he said he suddenly realized, I guess he retired, our program have hired him for talking trash in his court and his group of, of the adjutants and AIDS. He was talking trash about Obama being windy, but I don't get them apart. My was with, he was not a good wartime president. Like, imagine we're going to go into Afghanistan. We we're going to leave in six months.
Speaker 1 00:13:40 However we do. And the enemy just waits, you know, when they hear that. And the enemy of course, which nobody's really admitted except Admiral McMellon admitted it. And then he pretended they didn't. But he admitted in testimony to the Congress that the real enemy with the Pakistanis in Afghanistan, they were, you know, the Taliban are really supported by the Pakistanis. And we were, we were driving supply trucks through the enemy territory, therefore in paying huge bribes. And for awhile, the Russians, those cars were their territory, but airplanes and use airports. But basically we were, you know, we were naturally going to fail there because we heard the fighting the wrong enemy. That was not, the Afghanis were not really our enemy, but that's another story, you know, and now of course, the current administration by pretending not to admit that they've been voted out there, planting booby drags by trying to avail from Afghanistan and let it tell about and take over right away and their violent manner, which is a complete atrocity. We can't do that. You know, we have to do a whole news diplomacy and a whole new arrangement in with Pakistan, India before we can actually, we have responsibility
Speaker 2 00:14:52 To do that. And then the
Speaker 1 00:14:54 New administration will have to deal with it, you know? And, and he knows that Trump until he's shot, like make it bad, worse for them before he leaves. It's really quite treason when other kinds of treason that he's doing. So anyway, he joined the civil war against the union, basically by saying fine, very fine people on both sides and inciting the proud boys and inciting the white supremacy, violence and refusing to condemn David Duke and these kind of people, you know, accepting their support
Speaker 2 00:15:25 Happening.
Speaker 1 00:15:26 And then second, he is a Nazi. His father was a Nazi member card carrying member of the Nazi party. And he grew up with my income as an owner and poking the house, although they don't admit it, but he did. And he is a Nazi. Basically he wants to be a dictator. He admires Hitler secretly, for sure. He certainly admires any living dictators,
Speaker 2 00:15:50 Uh, Kim Joan to tell today,
Speaker 1 00:15:54 Africa that he can find, he loves the dictators, that there is his cup of tea. And he openly said 12 more years, 16, more years. I'd like to be president for life. Cheesy thing did that. I never went Xi Jinping claimed he was not going to be term limited to two terms in China. He, Trump said he wanted to be like that. So he that's. So that's the second treatment. So civil war, white racist supremacist, slave slavery,
Speaker 2 00:16:23 Then, um, uh, uh, Nazi we had,
Speaker 1 00:16:29 Or to, to control the Nazi. And third feeds the flunky Putin. He does what Rutan tells him. Everything he's done has benefited Putin. He's only frustrated as is Putin, that he was not able to break, make the Congress push the Congress around the North. He did push the Lackey, treasonous Republicans like Lindsey, Graham and McConnell, who are also sold out to the Russians, but he pushed them, but he wasn't able to use the whole Congress enough
Speaker 2 00:16:59 To remove
Speaker 1 00:17:00 All the sanctions from gluten, for the invasion of Ukraine and the grabbing of Crimea and all this and the invasion of Syria, actually the destruction of Syria, terrible things that have gone on in his watch.
Speaker 2 00:17:13 In other words, we
Speaker 1 00:17:15 Have to admit that our democracy is so imperfect and it was so much relying on quote unquote, people of Goodwill. And therefore we were not facing the fact that since Reagan or really since Goldwater
Speaker 2 00:17:32 And Nixon, but, but
Speaker 1 00:17:34 Actually in power since Reagan,
Speaker 2 00:17:36 We have, um, a lot
Speaker 1 00:17:40 People who refuse to serve as a loyal opposition
Speaker 2 00:17:45 To take power. And then when they occasionally losing in some place,
Speaker 1 00:17:50 Because they are not a loyal opposition, they simply block the governing and they use the excuse that the government is the problem, which was Reagan's very 12. And you know, we're seeing, you could hear someone saying, I hear I am, uh, I'm from I'm from the government. I want to help meaning that's a harm. And that's a fascism. You understand, you have to be able to understand that clearly Mussolini define fascism
Speaker 2 00:18:12 As when the government
Speaker 1 00:18:14 And the corporate powers, the wealthy oligarchic industrialists in any country,
Speaker 2 00:18:20 Unifying by
Speaker 1 00:18:22 The corporate money, people are taking over the government. Then the people have no defense. The only institution that can possibly defend the people is the family. And, you know, if the family is a large extended family, maybe they have a little local strengths, but basically they can never stand up against an organized government. And, and the corporate, you know, mercantile class to the corporate power. That's impossible. So then you have fascism and then fascism is, and then the key about fascism is contrary to the false policy and false theories of Lee Kuan, yew, who has been the dictator or family of Singapore for the last 40, since liberals, since liberation from colonialism, they replaced colonialism by a dictator, really, basically a dictatorship of a family, but 79 benevolent in a small place and using their role as finance with finance to enrich their people and pay them off
Speaker 2 00:19:22 Enough to educate them
Speaker 1 00:19:24 Well enough. So it was kind of benevolent dictatorship, but his dictatorship,
Speaker 2 00:19:28 They made a theory that dictatorship is more efficient
Speaker 1 00:19:32 In industrial society. And this is false. In fact, every time
Speaker 2 00:19:37 The 19 20th, when
Speaker 1 00:19:40 Sean oligarchy took control of the U S government, they created the,
Speaker 2 00:19:45 When, since Reagan since then
Speaker 1 00:19:48 1874, there's a wonderful thing. I was very pleased to see it. There's a group online called the medium. And there's a great writer who writes in them called two of them. One is called Laura Martin check, and the other one is called Umar hack, who or hack, I don't know how you pronounce his last name, but they write very critically and well, and they sit dollars themselves as leftists, which I think is a silly term. But the point is they are facing the radical problem. We face now to try to restore the good shoe. And that does run through our American democratic experiment. Even though it was started by a bunch of white oligarchs, a bunch of pink, rather oligarchs who had the land and the, and the slaves, actually most of them. And they, they, uh, they wanted to Mark prosy among themselves, just like a tenian democracy that we point to the, the, the, the, the pinks who were the males who ran a senior democracy. The democracy was actually a wave for the warrior elite, not to fight internally, so they could have a power as a community, but they were not liberating, their slaves and things, but however, our American democracy, because of their ideas and of people like Adams and Madison and Jefferson and Hamilton, they have, we have a vein in that. Cause I think they were reincarnations of bodies that price, those particular people, where they put in seeds, all men are created equal
Speaker 2 00:21:20 That
Speaker 1 00:21:21 Would lead eventually to the abolition of slavery, even though that took a war because people were so financially dedicated to it, the suffrage of women and, um, you know, the general in a way not to be foreign entanglements, not to, to rebel against empire, the British empire. So it's that strand of liberation, independence, freedom seeking pursuit of happiness rather than pursuit a property that is there. Although that strand in the declaration was of course undermined in some extent, vibes, many of the provisions in the constitution where the slave owner was on the Elliott monitor, secure their properties, and didn't want to share it widely with people. So we've always had a tug of war
Speaker 2 00:22:11 And we were totally
Speaker 1 00:22:12 In ignorance and neglect of our debt to the native American people and their still continuing presence and our continuing need for them actually. So now we are,
Speaker 2 00:22:21 Are now we are at a new moment where we have people
Speaker 1 00:22:28 Well from the side of the bright line that runs through our American experiment, that if we fall off, could lead us to true democracy and a truly effective society. And why we are beloved in the world is for our Michael Jackson's, you know, and for our creativity and our, the blues singers, you know, about American culture that, uh, black people have created,
Speaker 2 00:22:55 You know, and, um,
Speaker 1 00:22:57 And also the native people and the romance of the, you know, crazy auras and stuff like this, that our culture is a mixed culture like that. It's not just a pink culture from
Speaker 2 00:23:07 Europe. And also even
Speaker 1 00:23:09 The guy who presented of Yale the late 18th century, he said, we're in America. We're really coming to its own as when our legacy from Asia across the Pacific equals our legacy from the Atlantic. So we're kind of this new place that all these things can be mixed. And, uh, it's not like we're the only melting products. We degrade ancient, nothing combos India in time. And every place has been a bit of a melting pot, but India was the really biggest one in the world. And we have the second one, which is needed in the world. So we can have a globe
Speaker 2 00:23:42 Democratic environmentally, sustainable
Speaker 1 00:23:47 Cheerful society, where there's enough for everyone and yet there, and yet there's an ability for some to rise and to do creativity and to tap the creativity of the human being, which we have the tremendous creativity and to live in freedom. This is our mission of America. That is the mission of America, VITAS our exceptionalism in our effort to do that. And there is that exceptional strain in every culture actually. And it's up to us to find it, not to dominate and enforce them, try to enter our pattern. That's imperialism. And that's, that's what we don't, we're not exceptional as imperialists. Everybody has their own tribal behavior. You know, we're not the only one. Our pinkies are not the only big supremacy. I love it. I really think it's great. We really have to think of that. It's pink and black and yellow and red on this continent.
Speaker 1 00:24:43 That's what it is. I'm like, all right, okay. So now what do we do? How do we execute this issue? What do we do about it? You know, reparation, one thing we have to do some reparations. Now, if we try to all the way go right away to reparations, we might in a way, because of the ineffectiveness of the oligarchic rule, that we've been suffering since Reagan the weakness of the government, and they all are the archaic rule and they are archaic capture other government people like mecarbil and Graham and other evil types like that. Because of that, we don't have the means maybe to do the full reparation that we should do right away. But here's how do we guarantee it? I have a very good method. We did build a wonderful museum of African American museum, and we built a native American museum in Washington.
Speaker 1 00:25:43 Okay. And our sort of central buns over there. But what those museums don't have is they don't have a big lobby organization attached to them, which they should have. They don't have to be in the same building. Right. I know that I don't know the architecture of the room, but if we devoted a paltry 20, 30 billion to create, then African-American lobbying, um, society or institution, right on Washington that would compete with other lobbying things. And we another 20 billion for native American people where they could actually be take they're educated people, they're lawyers, they're knowledgeable people. There are people who know corporate behavior and they would be paralleling and in lobbying for general bills and long-term programs. And also they could do like common cause you know, citizens United that's, it that's either one, but there's a citizen, something there's, there's a bunch of things like that.
Speaker 2 00:26:49 No, the ARP for old people, why don't we have,
Speaker 1 00:26:53 I have one like that for black people. I, why don't we have one like that for native American people? Why don't we have more like that for Asian American people? And why don't we have one like that for most of them, American people, if we think they've stayed there, we feel they need it.
Speaker 2 00:27:06 I don't know how many they are, but
Speaker 1 00:27:08 Point is this can all be logically organized. So these are oppressed minorities.
Speaker 2 00:27:13 Jeez. You know, certainly we should have a major immigration thing and you know, those guys, huh?
Speaker 1 00:27:19 Trillion did they do in hopes of getting reelected. They allowed to happen. The trees in us government that we've had the head freeze in its government that we had. How many trillions did they send Howard in poultry? 1200, hundred dollar checks. Meanwhile, another way they said three checks to the airlines, into their oligarchic pack.
Speaker 2 00:27:41 Like billions, they gave just
Speaker 1 00:27:43 Right away, just the debt money. They just took it,
Speaker 2 00:27:46 Printed it. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:27:47 How much did they do? So what's 20, 30 billion for a lobbying organization. It's very small. It's easy to do. Even 50 billion. I don't care. And then some of them, they could actually start, you know, 40 acres on a mule. They could calculate what 40 acres will be worth. Now
Speaker 2 00:28:04 Before the,
Speaker 1 00:28:04 They did the post civil war and franchisement of the blacks and Jim grub said it, you know, that should, they should go back and Anjem Grove totally everything. Then how many billion would you need to liberate every single, non violent black man in jail
Speaker 2 00:28:23 For drug offenses and get them out
Speaker 1 00:28:26 And really rehabilitate them fully and expunge their records
Speaker 2 00:28:30 And, um, and paying for them for whatever schooling they need or whatever
Speaker 1 00:28:35 For investment, they need to start small businesses or whatever it is and get it, get the advantage of their wonderful, critical,
Speaker 2 00:28:42 And energy is fully prepared.
Speaker 1 00:28:44 How many billions would it take to reestablish the police academies, where the KU Klux Klan members and the John Birch society members who would not be able to join without undergoing a sort of re-education I think what is this bad policing? And it's killing people of color. It's simply because which is obvious. If you're a KU Klux Klan person, if you're a John Birch society person, you know, you want to argue yourself and you want to oppress your, your neighbors of other races and immigrants and people. Obviously the thing to do is be able to legally run around with your gun. And the way to do that is just go to police school. And if enough of you go, you can wink and nod at each other in the locker rooms about how you're going to use your authority as a policeman. I mean, that's obvious.
Speaker 1 00:29:31 And what sort of education otherwise does it take to educate a policeman? How come they are worked on a Harlem? They don't work on their anti-racism. How come they're not encouraged to meditate on all beings or their mothers? And speaking of mothers, how about women era let's let's how many balloons would it take to lobby to have them in franchise where they get equal pay for equal work? There was never the end and no Phyllis Schlafly and possibly under undo a well-funded huge program to equalize women a hundred percent and forget this crap of biology with Camilla as vice president now, or Sarah Pailin or at Hillary's of which we want to burn her at the stake, because she's a cannibal who eats children. I mean, what ridiculous nonsense was that that that was allowed to proliferate. And then of course, that brings us to a major thing we have to do in order to get any of this done.
Speaker 1 00:30:29 And that is we have to shut down the Fox news, Breitbart, Newsmax, whatever they are, the media. And we have to reinterpret the freedom of speech amendment, very carefully, that speech, that incites to violence, that encodes racism and division is not free speech. It is criminal speech. And we have to look at, we have to, we did have that. We had something that Reagan again destroyed, and it was called the fairness doctrine. And we can strengthen the fairness doctrine. And that is people are free to lie alone. Yes. But then someone else in the same program has to say, it's a lie, not fact, check it in some choose plays that made you people will, who will never look, who are brainwashed by that propaganda. We cannot have the power of modern media harness to propaganda. Okay? It's not, it's not free. That's not free speech.
Speaker 1 00:31:34 That's brainwashing. That's the licensing of brainwashing. And that's that solves the mystery of why are we so polarized? We're so polarized because people are so confused because they're propagandized. Okay. The left is true to some extent or propagandize, but not to the degree of the oligarchic. People who want to confuse people to vote against their self-interest sexually that's the pink people have been doing the poor pink people. Timeout thing for the poor pink people is to make them think that the poor black people or the poor Brown people, or the poor immigrant people are ruining their lives, but their employers are ruining their lives, their olives, our kids for the ones who are ruining our lives, coming back to that wonderful economic thing. If it's the distribution of Wells without any socialism name of socialism, rather, but even the way the new jail has some aspects of socialism. And that it has the theory that the community owes the individual in
Speaker 2 00:32:40 The community,
Speaker 1 00:32:41 A right to free education, a right to free healthcare, a right to freedom of speech, a right to basic shelter. Destitution is not there to frighten the low, the low class, lower class people into subservience and enslavement by the upper class, people that use of new England, they had debtor's prison, the enclosure of the commons, this sort of thing. They had this theory that, you know, God wanted you to slave be
Speaker 2 00:33:17 A slave. And, and
Speaker 1 00:33:19 That's been an Indian caste system had that theory and all caste systems have that theory and that's not democratic and that's not efficient and it's not, it's not ethical. It disgraces what a human being is. And it, this, it disrespects the evolutionary miracle of being human, which we cannot allow. And we cannot have a happy society that lives like that. So they said that because maybe because of the war effort against the Nazis, we had allowed women to work in factories and blacks. They had fought in the war. And so in a way we triumphed because of our democracy, because everybody, people sort of quote unquote, lowly people had a stake in defending the society or otherwise, why didn't they all come Nazis and let him,
Speaker 2 00:34:14 <inaudible> why
Speaker 1 00:34:16 Don't we do that? Just to have our own Hitler type
Speaker 2 00:34:18 Oligarchs and Tableau
Speaker 1 00:34:21 Drums, put the drums, Nazi family in charge of America. Why didn't we do that in 1940, 1939? Why? Because we didn't want it.
Speaker 2 00:34:31 I live like that. That's why, and we do that
Speaker 1 00:34:34 And we don't want to look like that. And again, look, Hitler was that oligarchy and abandoned dictator, right? I wanted to raise people in his country. He destroyed them and he destroyed the country in 13 years, from 32 to 45. He completely destroyed the country. That's the efficiency of dictators because you know, people don't like to be dominant like that. So the only way you can do it is to keep pretending that they have some other enemies somewhere. So you have to go fight people. So you have to mobilize your people for war all the time. Cause you only have an excuse to be dictated because you're there on a war footing. And that's age, old game of Kings is in the game of Thrones. It was kind of legitimated in our country, even by the popularity of the game of Thrones. That's a, that's a sucky thing. Game of Thrones, terrible is an awful thing. You know, just showing everybody sit, be enforcing, everybody's cynicism that everybody's out just for power. And then they torturing people and sex is only way torture
Speaker 2 00:35:39 And it's and you know, nothing. It's so horrible that we love that
Speaker 1 00:35:44 People bailed when they saw the ending, where they destroyed the one woman who might've been trying to liberate people and be nice. And then you can have that. So it shows that the game of Thrones was nothing but a rationale
Speaker 2 00:35:56 For our oligarchic control.
Speaker 1 00:36:00 So to come back to it anyway, I'm sorry, I'm digressing, but you know, that's fine.
Speaker 2 00:36:04 But in a way, they'd say, yeah,
Speaker 1 00:36:06 The way that income was distributed from 45 to 75 or 74 or five, approximately if that had continued from 75 to now,
Speaker 2 00:36:16 Wow. The $54 trillion, that's 2.8 trillion
Speaker 1 00:36:27 A year or something, two point something, two, one, five, four, 2.7, three items. Exactly what but almost $3 trillion. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:36:34 Every year was displaced from wage-earners to stock owners, to bosses, to corporate bosses, stockholders shareholders. Okay. So, so that means that
Speaker 1 00:36:53 The masses of our country where have been impoverished
Speaker 2 00:36:57 Over those hints since really
Speaker 1 00:36:59 It's really Rincon, who really did it, but Carter was trying to stop it, but he couldn't stop it. And so started toward the end of Nixon for
Speaker 2 00:37:05 It. And then
Speaker 1 00:37:07 Carter was tried to stop it, but he couldn't have received because they started their lack of loyal opposition. And Carter was defeated for his second term because the Reagan people promised the Iranians that they would give them free parts to their airplane. You said it would help them in their war effort against Saddam Hussein, who was our protege
Speaker 2 00:37:28 At that time, if they,
Speaker 1 00:37:30 The prisoners of the American embassy for a few weeks past the election and then leaked the idea that they were going to be liberated just before the election, which would have been popularizing
Speaker 2 00:37:40 For Carter. And then on
Speaker 1 00:37:43 Monday morning, before the Tuesday election, they said, no, they're keeping them. They're not liberating them. And then everybody was mad.
Speaker 2 00:37:49 The Carter, and that tipped the scale for Reagan.
Speaker 1 00:37:52 I know people who were in the campaign and that was it. That was like, Komi saying Hillary Clinton, we have new emails, you know, just before that election.
Speaker 2 00:38:01 So
Speaker 1 00:38:02 That's, and those are acts where the person running for president Nixon did the same thing. He went to South Vietnam and told that you don't go to the Geneva peace conference that in 1967, that Johnson was trying to make peace. So Hubert Humphrey would have a chance to win. And he went and he defeated the peace conference by preventing this, by telling the South Vietnamese he was going to bomb the shit out of North Korea. And he would, they would end up conquering North Korea, which of course was a lie. And in fact it ended up killing lots, more people, more Americans, lots more Vietnamese, and it ended up, ended up losing the entire country. So when you allow a criminal to run the country, which Nixon was then, did you get this kind of a disaster? Nixon was ejected. Luckily, because at that time the Republicans hadn't sold out yet completely to the criminals, but they were on the brink of becoming a non loyal opposition, which they then became from Reagan.
Speaker 1 00:39:03 But they were going to dominate and have minority rule over the masses. And they were going to do that by brainwashing, the masses, to be confused as to who was the source of their discomfort. And they did it successfully. And Clinton sold out to them. He tried a little bit to oppose them, but then he failed and Obama tried to oppose them and fail because they just ran it centrally for 40 years and deprived the American population of $54 trillion worth of livelihood. We say pop pocketed themselves. There are gardens handed to the oligarchy, the billion multi-billionaires. And by doing that created this unrest and civil disorder and near destruction of America, which the Trump administration has tried to complete and still trying to complete actually the day that I'm telling us, I think they fail to put the crew to grass. And I think we will have a new administration now, but it's very close it just because we haven't, we had a new administration with Obama. We had a new administration with Clinton. We had a new administration with Carter and it's not a matter of democratic prison. Republican has nothing to do with that. It's so people, I still think there is this great thread running through America. They don't see this. They don't see that Americans are unable to deal with themselves and they need to be controlled by oligarchy, by minority rule, which is what Reagan was hired to propose by the hour darks. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:40:40 So this is, this is the job. It is not the job that the conventional politics as usual Democrats are going to be able to do. They're not going to be able to do that. We need the more ones who are willing to not live in denial of the powerless of the terrible state that the country has gotten into. We have to be able to face that we have to realize that so-called leftist are the ones who see it. The anti-racists, the leftists, the black lives matter. People, you know, they're sitting there, they're the darker immigrant people, but they're convinced some Democrats might do something decent. They didn't before Obama was in the broader tons of people and had a very nasty thing because he was sold out to the ideas. Even the Supreme court has been packed against doing anything proper. So when they say, when they say before the lecture, are you going to pack the Supreme court?
Speaker 1 00:41:40 It was a typical big line technique. Meanwhile, they were packing the Supreme court because this whole originalism of Scalia, and now the majority of the Supreme court, that's a fake thing. It's not, the constitution is not sacred in that sense that we have a constitution it's sacred, but the constitution is something that was created to be constantly amended in new circumstances. We're not going back to the 18th century slave owner constitution, although that's what their original is in proposals. We can't allow that. So we have to rebalance that majority on the Supreme board, we have to introduce, for example, term limits on the Supreme court, lifetime terms are not doable. Any lifetime terms in the new normal of courts have to be reversed by legislation. And before that legend, so that legislation cannot be shot down under some fake doctrine of originalism. We have to put in four new justices who are saying, and who realized we were in the 21st century and they're not religious fanatics. And they don't think that the late 18th century was paradise. Okay. Little city of Puritans on a Hill committing genocide since slavery, blacks committed genocide of native American suppressing, the women suppressing any day or any, any kind of different kinds of erotic person burning them at the stake, killing them, burning witches. We not going back to that. We cannot allow that.
Speaker 1 00:43:18 So it's really, there's a real job to be done. And the first place where we must do the job is in our own minds, we have to see, clearly we have to meditate, develop our mindfulness. You know, we don't have to be Buddhist but far from it. Nope. Not me. Nobody wants everybody to be Buddhist. We don't want to make the fanatical. Christians think that some fanatical Buddhists are hunting them, or if an outer for Muslims or fanatical Jews or fanatical Hindu, no way. We want everyone to find a non fanatical element in the wonderful teachings of love with compassion, faith, humility, you know, ethics that is in the center of all their religions. We want them to find that not to not the idea that my, my faith is an identity card that enables me then to kill anybody who does not have the same identity card. That's, that's not religion. That's some sort of fake subscription service. That's like a militancy thing that is not, not what they meant. They didn't say that none of them, you know, Jesus was a
Speaker 2 00:44:32 Jewish rabbi. He did it,
Speaker 1 00:44:34 Or a bunch of submitted Christians who killed Jews and no way did he ever
Speaker 2 00:44:38 Do that? Jesus was
Speaker 1 00:44:41 Rabbi. And he wanted people to be truly faithful to Joel.
Speaker 2 00:44:46 Well, he thought since then, God, okay. So
Speaker 1 00:44:52 Where does this anti Semitism come from? That means that religions can be distorted. And therefore you have to understand the religion and you have to dive with we'll do it education. That's where we want educate.
Speaker 2 00:45:04 You don't want them to be Buddhists. So be mindful.
Speaker 1 00:45:08 You look in your own mind, find in there, or to have been inherited where you've been propaganda,
Speaker 2 00:45:16 You know, do your own fact, checking in your mind,
Speaker 1 00:45:19 Look at your underlying thoughts and reactions. And don't give in and say, well, I'm more mad at me cause I'm pink. I'm automatically going to just like anyone who's black or anybody who's yellow had their first day just like maple or something. Or they just like, maybe, you know, in other words, we're not going to do it.
Speaker 2 00:45:38 So for that, no, you look into your mind.
Speaker 1 00:45:41 You can find the sources of your prejudices,
Speaker 2 00:45:44 Of your reactions, of your
Speaker 1 00:45:46 Preconceived ideas and presuppositions.
Speaker 2 00:45:48 You can find that everyone has a find out and you can,
Speaker 1 00:45:52 And you'll be free. Then you'll be free in your mind. That's where you find freedom.
Speaker 2 00:45:58 You know, freedom.
Speaker 1 00:45:59 You know, they hate our freedom said,
Speaker 2 00:46:01 You know, well, they don't hate y'all freedom. They all want to be free themselves, right?
Speaker 1 00:46:08 They, if you will find freedom to choose, if you have it in your mind that you are going to be a sensible time, compassionate, friendly person and humorous and amusing and wonderful actually w is kind of a person like that. He just let himself be use as a tool by lesser
Speaker 2 00:46:24 People. Unfortunately, it was
Speaker 1 00:46:26 A little simplistic in his poorly educated, in a way Yale didn't do the trick.
Speaker 2 00:46:35 It's not his fault. You know,
Speaker 1 00:46:37 I know some cousins of his, I never met him. I know some cousins of his and they say he was the most fun, friendly guy who, of course, then they use people like that.
Speaker 2 00:46:45 I could put it up as a friend, man. They all like arcs, you know?
Speaker 1 00:46:50 Okay. So there we are. Does this mind podcasts of the work we have to do
Speaker 2 00:46:57 World peace to inner peace,
Speaker 1 00:46:59 Peace in America, through your peace in your mind
Speaker 2 00:47:03 And my mind and friendliness and happiness. And we can do it. Remember
Speaker 1 00:47:12 How did he win so dramatically? Even with everybody, the so-called famous Obama, Trump voters, people who've been robbed by Obama's time. 2008, they had been robbed already for 28 years of trillions of dollars from their paychecks and there, and poor infrastructure and bad healthcare or bad food poisoned food that they uncontrolled food industry has been pumping out to people and drinks, diabetes, soft drinks, diabetes, creating soft drinks as supposedly legal people. They couldn't smoke pot. They go to jail for it, give me a break. They were arrested for Coke, which is how Coca-Cola has started. They had actually Coke, lean on Coke and Coke until the 1990s they had just, but not like highly purified, but just from leaves fluid fluid from the leaves to coconut juice, to give you a little energy, but the Bolivians and the Peruvians and the high mountains use perfectly. Not that unhealthy little like simulating, but not unhealthy.
Speaker 1 00:48:23 So we have to go back to that. We need the data. People are aware too. Okay. So I'm coming, I'm going to start doing some more irregular ones. I'm going to do them. And this is the first one in the new series now. And then I'm going to release an audible book of my Denver security commentary because in a way they're kind of along this vein, but more like to some kind of comment on a scripture, which is nice. And then I'm going to do the other times, I'm going to start doing that in the midst of everything. I am doing virtual yoga with those yoga and yoga needs who want to do that and want to set up those kinds of schools as a livelihood to give them teacher training. I am doing that. And um, for all of those reasons why I have been absent from, from your, my podcast list and just using all material, which is all useful and nice, but I wanted, I want us to be, I want to be with you. I hope you are with us in this new job we have to, to renew our country. You know, I have been haunted for the longest time by Edgar Casey, who I very much respect. And he did say, I heard, I haven't, I should really check that someday in the future, America would have a black president. And when we did, after that, that would be the end of America.
Speaker 2 00:49:53 And
Speaker 1 00:49:54 You know, that was haunting me and these people have been trying to destroy America for sure. Or they want to create some sort of fascist, weird version of it, which is destroying it, you know? And you know, so I think what he meant maybe was we knew that the America before was the bright line to, it was not strong enough. And the imperialist, the Neo imperialist line was also strong. My history teacher in high school used to talk about McKinley betraying. The Filipinos was the start of this in a sort of geopolitical way where America stepped into being imperialists. And, um, uh, he had an analysis like that. So we have to make America and you, that's what we have to do have, we have to, we have to realize we were facing a cold civil war, which was a little burst of heart. When somebody, I have machine guns about your kids at a rock concert or something, that's like a little heat of the cold civil war, where the pink people are trying to be white supremacists, few tiles, but there will be very destructive.
Speaker 1 00:51:07 So we have to build a country that knew where this, when this finally solved this problem. Okay. And be the true rainbow country and paint that right house of rainbow colors. We can't have a right house anymore. Right? House America is a slave owning. One's still in some level of the mentality. We have to have a rainbow house America. That's why we have Tyler. Alright. Think of a rainbow house, rainbow body, rainbow house. Alright, all the best by the virtue of this. And we all become truly genius, intelligent as quickly as possible to help everybody else become genius, intelligent to stop being confused by confused self-defeating people. Okay. Quickly as possible.
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