Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:14 Welcome to my mom's Thurman podcast. I'm so grateful and some good friends enabled me to present them to you. If you enjoy them and find them useful, please think of becoming a member of Tibet house us to help preserve Tibetan culture control center in America. All best wishes. Have a great day. This is episode 250 embracing the nomadism of life and rainbow reparations.
Speaker 1 00:01:14 Everyone, my podcast friends, it's been a long time due to COVID and due to being preoccupied with other online activities that I haven't really done sort of podcasts where I'm giving any commentary myself. And I've been very, very remiss in that. I have a number of writers and creative people who really wanted to, um, do a podcast with me because, you know, you can't do book tours nowadays and so forth. So they want people to know about their trip. And I want them to know about their, their brave voyages on earth. And so I'm going to start doing a series of more frequent podcasts, I hope, but anyway, now I've been, and therefore I've been restricting my own commentaries about political matters, uh, to personal conversations in the last many months. And, um, my engineer, uh, Justin Stone Dealz has been enabled. We haven't been able to sort of communicate frequently.
Speaker 1 00:02:19 I also didn't do my general series on the Avatamsaka Sutra that I wanted to do, which would probably be something like 21 sessions or possibly 37 sessions. It's such a huge ocean. If you figure that I did 12 sessions on the visual acuity, which in English translation is 108 pages. Then the Avatamsaka from the Chinese version by Thomas Cleary that my dear friend Thomas clear his translation was 1600 page. If you multiplied 108 by 15 times, 12 by 12 times 15 is what, uh, what is 12 by 15, 212 by 12 would be 244. I think. So then three more twelves, 36 on that would be 50, 8,280. So I would have to do if I were to be a comparable level of fine detail for the Avatamsaka in English for an English speaker, it would be 281 hour sessions. Are you ready, Justin? You ready for that?
Speaker 1 00:03:32 I don't think it's ready for that, but, uh, and abide by crook. I think I'd be croaking or taking rebirth before I would finish, but, uh, uh, you know, dying and taking rebirth out of my nearly 80 year old embodiment. But, um, maybe I'll do 30, 21. I'll try to do 21 or 30. I will try to figure out how I could fit in because you know, the, the amazing thing about the Avatamsaka is that it has, you know, 52, is that for stages to get to Buddhahood, you know, usually we hear about the 10 bodies' up the stages, and then Tundra adds two or three on top of that. So you get to the 13th or 14th stages full Buddhahood in the Maceda tantric thing. And, uh, and yet they are, time-suck a suture gives 30 cause a 52 stages. It tracks 52 of which the 10 birders and stages are 41 to 40 to 49.
Speaker 1 00:04:34 And, uh, no, no, no, 31. I'm sorry to 40. That's what, it's 31 to 40 and then, or 30 to 39. I'm not certain actually I'll have to look that up, but then there's these amazing 10 stages of 10 goddess teachings from 41 to 50 and then manager Sri. And my trainers it's 51 52 because each of the stages is connected to a particular teaching in the last third of the Avatamsaka. So it's something that I'd actually the Tibetans didn't really pick up on those 52 stages in the same way, the Chinese particularly elaborated them because they developed a whole school based on the flower ornament, uh, in a way was a kind of almost a replacement of tantra of the Tibet and laid Indian focused on tantra was the way the Chinese did it. So it's really interesting. Well, we'll come to that in future, but we want to talk about today. I want to talk about our beloved Joe and Kamala, and also AOC and Rashida and all of her squad and some of the new ones like Jamaal, Bowman, and so forth. The more,
Speaker 2 00:05:46 The more, you know, strong
Speaker 1 00:05:48 Progressives in the democratic party. And possibly we may find there will be a few strong, progressive as the re the reshuffling of the Republican party takes place when the sort of Trump fanatics, you know, continue with whatever he offers them, which is basically joining the Confederacy, joining the Confederacy, the Nazi party, and the KGB oligarchy, three of the major enemies of America, rejoining them, he's offering. That's what he offers to them. So they're not going to really be the Republican party and who longer, I think, or if they take over the name and the other Republicans can't resist that there will be another party, which would be a construe conservative party, which we need, which will seek to conserve nature, conserve the planet and conserve the American exceptionalism and conserve American idealism. And that would be, you know, against anybody who has extreme thing, that American was always no good, completely, a hundred percent just bad.
Speaker 1 00:07:03 And there's a kind of super left conspiracy that, you know, the group that considered the populous kind of group that can thinks fat. And after all, they have the very much a point America was founded in genocide and then it prospered in slavery. And then it had a brief attempt to fulfill the all humans, at least are created equal, although I didn't even include animals at that time. And then that was shut down with Robert Barrons and then, you know, Colonia a new kind of, sort of secondary British colonialism imperialism. And so you could say it's been just bad from the beginning, but then that relates to an idea that everybody is bad from there that may relate to some sort of romanticization of primitive tribalism, that they were all good from the beginning, you know, uh, but that's simplest thing I'm afraid, and there's very much good things about indigenous traditions in their creation to nature.
Speaker 1 00:08:15 But then they were very, usually very much in, in, you know, struggling with each other, especially whenever the local environment, but become stressed climatically. And so we had to, of course, they ate animals and, you know, et cetera. So the point is something completely new and different for the human beings is what we need, you know, not going back all the way, not confronting that is there and little tiny golden thread in the American idealist, constitutional founding or more the declaration of rebellion against empire and a Jeffersonian kind of sign and trying to liberate his someones slaves injured, you know, three times into the Virginia legislature to be Mansur patient, you know, laws who tried to feel as he tried to put through to be defeated. And then he did somehow try to immense the pages on slaves eventually so on and his wheel. And, uh, the family didn't follow through course, but they may yet still.
Speaker 1 00:09:31 And that is there, you know, in America, the dad is the thread that America offers to the planet. You know, democracy, true DeMar, real democracy, you know, people's, they go acids, they dividends democracy and acids. No, they tried it briefly, but mostly they had dictators Nathans. They only had real democracy to defeat the Persians because democracy makes you, gives everyone a stake in defending the society and spreads that stake. It makes you stronger actually, or the less bellicose and less imperialists, but stronger, ultimately at least in self-defense at least temporarily, hopefully. And we need to see in America that it's ultimately, it does become the lifestyle, conquest, the Dharma conquest of the world. That's what we need. We need to go back to the emperor show Shocard to his edicts in India, which was the wealthiest of injured Eurasian societies and where he, he forswore military physical conquest of others.
Speaker 1 00:10:40 And he said, the only Congress worth anything is truth. Conquest. What you, if you translate Dharma as truth conquest, or even more radically, you could translate it as reality conquest. That is to say, people are conquered by facing the reality that the best way to live is when you're in control and have conquered your own inner delusion, greed, hatred, anger, jealousy, pride. You know, when you are a happy person from within and bliss, few, you feel the bliss of life from within. And therefore you can be, you can share that with others and you will naturally be loved by them. And you will generate a node of loving community within your area once you are like that. And that's the, so that's, there are, let's say education conference. You could say, which leads to democracy, conquest, which can only be done. Democracy cannot be imposed by force.
Speaker 1 00:11:40 It's only where people decide that's the way to go. That's the way to live, where keys automatically divest themselves. All oligarchs automatically decide to be one of the people to be connected to others and to maintain wealth in, within a moderate, moderate scope, let's say so that it relates to no one being deeply deprived, no slavery of any, of any direct or indirect time. So that's what we're shooting for. And that's what there's always been a tendency to shoot for in America. And that's why American like entertainment, for example, you know, we w America created jazz. You know, who's the downtrodden people in America created jazz, Michael Jackson, you know, dances and, and rock and roll and things. You know, we helped create a British helped, but they're only once they got past abolition until two, by connecting to their American, his Beatles are seeing their songs without a British accent.
Speaker 1 00:12:49 So they're becoming sort of honorary Americans, you know, rolling stone to can't get no satisfaction, not done with a British accent. And that's the reason for our creativity in America, that we have this idea of equality. We try to embed in our constitution, in our founding documents, in our checks and balances, the idea of the quality of all humans or races and genders and oral gender orientations. And there's that thread. And also the world not so, so much. Although the European union has, has that thread coming in from that thread creeping through, you know, our conquest, you know, are, are so critically to us, was that sort of European idea of Imperial conquest. And it was through economic means, let's call it, but creepy to them was our idea of equality and no need for tribal fighting between checks and poles and slobs and Serbians and Croats and whoever it is, you know, that that's still there.
Speaker 1 00:14:12 And there's so much in that area and India has it cause they always had it cause it was a big melting pot. China is not learning it. They are kind of doing a kind of Marxist Marxist imperialism themselves sort of Marxist tinge, imperialism. And, um, and that's, what's precious in America and that's what we must create. And by in Joe Biden, we strategically moved with Joe Biden, cued by people under deepest depression, among us, the blacks and native Americans. And, uh, so, but his thing is a return to normalcy. But normalcy though is where that's golden thread is suppressed under a red thread of white tribalism, which, which is not good seat, which has been there since, since a recruit, no construction got buried within a few presidencies, even with the assassination of Lincoln almost immediately by Andrew Johnson. So do master patients at 48% of mule, didn't really properly happen for which we need to make radical reparations.
Speaker 1 00:15:34 So, so therefore we need to be practical, uh, moderate in the steps, but we need to be radical in the direction, definitely, but we need to do it in strategically clever ways. And there's a few ideas that are not even on the table that should be on the table. And I, I think of myself, my fantasy, forgive me any of you who really frontline people. I don't pretend to know what to do. I really don't. And my ideas are all simplistic ivory tower type of ideas, right? And it's one way I think of myself as I of lost nomad from central Asia, I need a yak and a horse and attend to hell. I don't know about governing big city States, you know, but I don't glamorize that kind of idea to, we need, we need city States. We need to deal with them. They need to realize there's sort of this an essential nomad is a midlife. And we need to extend our sense of sensitivities essentially to animals, not only to other genders and other tribes among the humans, but even we have to understand the animals have their own tribes, have their own soul bearing beings that we have to extend to them. So they will come. They will go back to defending us against the viruses. The micro animals that are currently laid as old are sort of world check techno humanoid human triumphalist, civilization, so-called civilization.
Speaker 1 00:17:11 Whereas these are in America instead of, you know, the, the people overall were there. Of course it was the fact that America is horribly in debt. We have to realize that, but that doesn't matter. We can print money. So we should spend it lavishly to get ourselves on the right track. And but one thing sort of real reparation radical instantaneous would be something like $3 trillion or $5 trillion or $10 trillion given to all minorities immediately. And, uh, and that would people would Frankie the other people, the YDS for Tesco for circle for that. And they would really succeed and they would just be, you know, we would become so defenseless. There would be so much inner stress that who knows what your oligarchy would show up with, which militaries of which, you know, cyber strikes and everything would be to making us defenseless as well. So that wouldn't work, but it's very simple.
Speaker 1 00:18:15 Let's take 30 billion, take $30 billion and create lobbying institution associated with the museum of black history. On the mall in Washington, we create a big lobbying institution with a $40 billion capital budget. That's a 50 billion say 50, 50 pounds pittance. It's like one fleet, you know, $50 billion capital budget where they, they, they, they can match corporate lobbyists dealing with every single bill on every single topic on energy production, on food production, on urban design, on communication, transport, whatever it is, they can lobby whether or not, you know, the sort of liberal democratic cabinet survives past two years of it's first thing we're not even starting, unless we went to Georgia thinks we won't even start with having the three branches of government. We have a very conservative future Supreme court. We have no, we have a Republican controlled, very fiddly controlled Senate have a slim majority in the house. And, uh, so we don't have a big way of starting anything. Radical things have been so broken, not by just by Trump alone. He just was capstone breaker started from Goldman,
Speaker 3 00:19:47 You know,
Speaker 1 00:19:48 And then really empower with Reagan. And then it goes water Nixon Reagan. You know, so it's been going on for since, since we became triumphal military industrial complex at the end of world war two, but really accelerating last 40 years or oil industry polluting madly
Speaker 3 00:20:12 And,
Speaker 1 00:20:12 And really destroying
Speaker 3 00:20:14 The planet.
Speaker 1 00:20:17 But at least we had a major vulnerability, then another 50 billion to the native people connected to the native American museum, but as a real active activists organization with funds and hype and lawyers and people who write laws and who can counter write bills and, you know, find print and could read fine print in bills about the food system and the energy system. And, you know, the native American sensibility about taking care of the environment is absolutely necessary. And the black sensibility about not oppressing, you know, immigrants and blacks and, and, um, and themselves, you know, and creating new methods and, and, you know, emptying the prisons no more private industry in prison, lobbying against private prison industries and really replacing them with educational industries and lobbying for in education bills to make sure that every community, every ghetto, every, and then I'm doing get with urban planning and whatever you want and restoring organic farming, more sort of scale human input and bringing, helping people come out of slums and things into developing good villages and solid diligence, and the countryside learning how to do that, no, getting over it fossil fuel base chemical farming, which is so destructive to the atmosphere, to the soil, to the water
Speaker 3 00:21:56 <inaudible>
Speaker 1 00:22:01 And maybe a lobbying is your truth for all the animal defense, you know, ASP CA maybe to do animals, giving them lobbying force and power and the, and the forest, you know, and nature lobbying power. So take a 200 billion and divided. If those are four institutions that would be a presence, whatever the administration, constant presence in Washington in making sure that we keep going in the right direction, no matter where they're from and working on developing the conservatives in the right direction and completely stopping all subsidy, moving all subsidy into, into natural, you know, renewable fuels and renewable energy production and renew and, and organic agricultural production and cleaning also all polluted things massively. That's what we need. And once we do that, then all of that, and then there will be environmental justice. There'll be, you know, urban, you know, design justice. Uh, there will be, it will be institutional.
Speaker 1 00:23:21 The golden thread will be not just a threat, it'll be part of the institutional weave. That's what we need to do. That sort of thing. It's that level of Rouse. And we need to back away from trying to police the whole world. Although we really also need to, in a way, on the other hand, we do need to be seen once we have gotten our own society in better order, we need to be willing to defend this kind of movement. In other cultures, we need a foreign policy like Carters that defends human rights. And, uh, you know, their Obama administration was not strong enough in that and the car and the Clinton administration was not strong enough about that because they were both infected by the polluters and by the corporate pilot. And we really need to bring government into cooperation with corporation in a different way where the corporations have to do their share.
Speaker 1 00:24:28 I believe there is a global, there is a global statistic that 35% some, or maybe 85, 80% of global income goes through corporations and only 20% true governments. And that's really wrong, you know, that's, that will inevitably lead to fascism in different countries because corporations will become where they will see to it, that laws and governments, whatever tax revenue, and tax things there are, they will be put to use. They also just be, you know, accessories of the corporations. And then when the smaller people, smaller groups will be defenseless against legislation for Alex. Oligarchy was takeover as it is currently threatening to do with great, you know, it's easy to be depressed and pessimistic about our future because of that, but we must not cave into that. We must not give into that nature is on our side.
Speaker 1 00:25:44 So I've been just wanting to put those ideas forward, but nobody has thought of as a reputational thing by not just dishing out cash, although that's good, but, but creating a long-term force within the whole lobbying bribery oriented government, that would be able to go toe to toe with corporate lobbyists, because that's how corporations run the government. They write the laws, they're, their lobbyists are better funded. They have more higher salaries than the congressmen and women then the, the, the legislators. So, and they have a better staff and better computers and better support. So they write the laws and they come in with them all pre-written and they just hand them over. And then they, they control the election funding things. And then of course, the election, the stupid citizens, United level of unlimited corporate funding, and the role in considering corporations as individual human beings with free speech rights completely makes the congressperson vulnerable to the corporate control because they can run for office without being funded by them.
Speaker 1 00:27:02 But they give them some little tips, a hundred thousand here, a hundred thousand there while they, while they write laws that make them billions, these corporations. So we have to recognize that fascism is already kind of here. And then, but then within that structure, give the downtrodden people, the downtrodden, the environment, the downtrodden nature, the downtrodden human beings give them the means to defend themselves within this sort of lobbying bribery thing. Every once we've rec once we've repaired the courts and the funding of elections, and, uh, just put billions into funding elections ourselves from the government, not from the corporation, and then putting the corporations back into being facing their licensing things, which are the States about whether they're damaging the environment, the Commonwealth of the different States, States rights against corporations, not against minorities, you know, but within the system, then that way we can, we can have, we can get the golden thread to be the golden mainstream for all the beings in the nation.
Speaker 1 00:28:23 And then happiness will be there in the nation again. And then our happiness will be irreducibly seductive and attractive to everyone on the planet and the oligarchies and the tyrannies, the dictatorships will themselves want to participate. And they, all the guards will want to be interconnected again to the people. And they will voluntarily help in the process. This is the vision. Rather, we don't want any violent revolutions against any violent oligarchs, because that'll just produce more violent. The winners of that violence will be more violent. So we don't want that. We want you to participate in support and realizing that they have the great power of generosity and the great divine karma of generosity. That's fine.
Speaker 1 00:29:27 I know this is very unorganized because I wasn't really planning it. I was just doing, how do they think? But, uh, but that's what I have to say about it. That's how we have to proceed. And so AOC people of the AOC team, they should be in the cabinet. For example, now they should not be where they just sort of from outside having to worry about some sort of elder generation within the Democrats trying to be normal because normal for the Democrats for the last four years has been being Republican Lite. And the, and the senior Democrats have to admit that they really do reaching across the aisle. Come on, Joel, you have to be political. Political means you have to be a healthy opponent across the aisle. You have to oppose what the people are, the, all our guard funded people on the other side, or do we, you can't get all the guards to back you to oppose oligarchs.
Speaker 1 00:30:38 You have to have the people there for you. So there should be a special, and if there's no position that is right when it should be a minority representative in the cabinet, let's say, let's say, or progressive rep rubric, you know, representing progressivism in the debates in the cabinet, what would that be called? That would be a new position and, you know, AOC or anybody and her team, or, you know, who is, who they feel really represents them, should be there in the executive in that way. There's no doubt. All of the, you know, under the, the Trudeau, you know, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker these folks, you have caramelized vice president. If she's a really activist one. Good. And that one she, you did remove from the Senate, but that's in a good, fairly democratic state where the governor will have appointed Democrats, or you didn't lose a seat there.
Speaker 1 00:31:43 Okay, great. You couldn't put Bernie because Vermont has a Republican governor. You couldn't put Elizabeth because Massachusetts has with that problem. I see that AOC is not going to lose the, you know, for example, AOC herself, I think should be in the cabinet, some radical thing like that. You do as a meeting the new position, speaking for minorities, and she's a Latina Latinx. And then I think there really should be one serious black member. Who's just there speaking for the blacks. It's not there to do HUD, but there to do this, that you have a native American for the interior that is deeply tremendous wonderful. Or how about a native American speaking for the native Americans in all celebrations? So that would be three new cabinet positions to bring to bear there. It seems a bit, you know, the fact that you have blacks and immigrants and people doing that, but then they're supposed to be doing something that basically their full energy is in the interior or an APA or in housing.
Speaker 1 00:32:58 And there have been developments. So for the, not someone checking them from a progressive point of view, as they're only there to just represent the interests of immigrants, that would be a first start. And then you create three big lobbying institutions behind them to make sure that continues. If you lose your house, lose the house, lose the Senate. What could happen to you? If you just try to be normal right now, the Republicans doing everything possible to constrain your ability to do a big green revolution, to do a big infrastructure project, to, you know, or they're worrying about the deficit again, after all their tax cuts and crap nonsense, you have to pose that. So three members of your cabinet will help you because they will make sure that you don't get lulled into thinking we're doing important. Things is where the executive like Obama was like, Clinton was both in 93 and two or nine.
Speaker 1 00:33:54 They had very strong, progressive agendas in mind and they were crushed down and then they lost it. They lost the Congress because they successfully blamed them for not getting everything done because the education system has not educated the masses to understand that they can cripple an executive. If they all like are backed house and Senate flood the media with blame of the executive for the failures and the lack of fulfillment promises definitely do that. You've been 20, 22. It'll be definitely bad year. If you're not more radically progressive on all fronts, not just picking one like Obama. Oh no. We could only do only do healthcare. No, we can't do carbon tax. No, we can't do this. That we can't do a bill against citizens United. No, no, no, no. We can't do that. Those, it says too much loss at all in two 10, everything outside center, because that's the whole day for work of, you know, you have to realize you are working in a context where democracy is not fully functioning because democracy requires a loyal opposition and you don't have a loyal opposition.
Speaker 1 00:35:18 You have let's face it a treasonous opposition. No, they won't. They won't really join Trump now because they're confident they can overthrow you in two years playing you and make you a one term. And then to something like Trump, but less incompetent at him. He was almost a blessing in that he was kind of the extreme cover blower for the lack of loyal opposition. In that he was an executive who aligned himself with all our enemies, the Confederacy, the Nazis, and the KGB. He aligned himself. And every dictator, North Korean and Chinese, that he could find it pretended at the end to be against the Chinese because they didn't help his reelection, but he's not, he couldn't <inaudible> for crushing the weakers flattering.
Speaker 1 00:36:21 So those oligarchs are not going to get after a dictator because they want to be dictators themselves. Like Trump showed to take that lesson, do not think that normalcy is happening. Normal democracy is where you have a loyal opposition who will help you govern when you're in the ascendancy, you're a party, you're a faction. They'll be conservative, but they will help you govern. But these people have not been doing that since Tom delay, since Gingrich, since McConnell, since McCarthy or whatever his name is, who wanted to join over throwing the election, they joined the lawsuit to overthrow the election.
Speaker 1 00:37:14 Even before you take office, that's not a loyal opposition. Okay. Okay. Dell's get more practical. You say, no, they are not more practical. They are, they are ready. Reagan was treasonous. Nixon was treasonous in getting elected by blocking the Geneva peace conference and ending the Vietnam war in 2007 and eight Reagan was treasonous in blocking the return of the hostages by the Iranians, in selling them promising to sell them weapons against Iraq in 1980. Uh, they were treasonous against, you know, recently and Trump has been openly treasonous. They hidden the treasonous for Debbie starting in Intifada and by Chris Chaney, conspiring with Israelis to start a new intern into Prado and block the peace plan of two winters in 1999. So there they have not been a loyal opposition for a long time. They are not true Republicans and the party of Lincoln, not at all. They are treasonous, neo-fascist the neoconservatives. And they showed that with their invasion of Iraq, which broke the UN really. Cause that was based on not in dating people who have a detectable, you know, that was based on not only with the security council resolution, not this kind of unilateral might makes right into global politics, which then licensed their licensed Fujin to it. And then the overthrow of Libyan also licensed Putin to attack Georgia, to attack, um, uh, uh, uh, more recently Armenia and then before that, and then to attack Ukraine,
Speaker 1 00:39:28 But that was a joy doing of this long loyal opposition. So it's not that you're going to go extremist. It's not that some sort of that sucks. That's not extreme leftism. That's practical democratic kids by saying, we must oppose this lack of loyal opposition. So therefore we must investigate the behavior of these people. Not just turn the page as Obama wrongly said, without really what's on the page about the treachery of Cheney and his ill, you know, Roger Stone who still rolling and just got pardoned. He started back and at this time, it's that whole kind of person who just try to enrich themselves with the government and want to be that dictators and tyrants or I'll look for folks who are ready to sacrifice the U S of a, for their own wealth and power Bannon. These people, they are not people you can reach across the aisle to, and the list of the people who joined the lawsuits, and there are still more to come and that's making everybody really uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 00:40:47 Maybe they'll do something January 5th before you or your election is certified in the, in the house and the Senate. We're still nervous about that are real. They're still raising millions and millions who continue orphan spirit things. And the minute the guys out of the white house say it does, they don't succeed with that. They're going to be crippling you in every conceivable way that they can everywhere. Short of armed on the violence, because they trying to get the military to do martial law and things. But the military, lots of way, it's too sensible so far.
Speaker 3 00:41:29 <inaudible>
Speaker 1 00:41:34 So I'm saying be practical and show progressives that you're not being naive in this reaching across the aisle routine called niche. I just call that out. Dear Mitch, no, Mitch will not really honestly follow with you unless he sees that you have a little more backbone about it. You have some Progressive's ready to rock and you have the ability to get them to, and, you know, find out Progressive's among billionaires who are ready to go with you. You have to do that. Don't be fooled to think you have power yet. You don't. You have the white house, you have a slim majority in the Senate and you have near, but I don't see you making even enough fuss about Georgia, but maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 00:42:35 So this would be, if you had native people, you have blacks people, special position for the native American special position for the black, special, new capital position for the Latinx and all immigrants in the cabinet that would show. And then they should seek to fund maybe from discretionary to fund these lobbying institutions that I'm saying should be there to lobby against big ag, big food, big oil, big internet on behalf of minorities in every bill and in the, in the, in the portfolio of every other industry department and everything, everyone, they are there to keep their kind of energy up like the native American web to reinforce the native American lady and interior. Who's going to run into all kinds of opposition, but did reinforce how vital it is. And they, they would have the platform. Your cabinet, you as executive would have the bullet pulpit to go against these, these people who will obstruct what you try to do.
Speaker 1 00:43:56 You have to be Truman. You can't be Carter, Clinton, Obama, the good things they did, they were all good, but you can't be like them acting as if you had a loyal opposition. When you don't, you will. When the Republic, when you show force, when you show fire, when you show you show insight and determination, and then the Republicans were split into the fanatics and to the ones who want to govern with you from a conservative point of view. But as long as the ones who signed up on those lawsuits and who wanted to show that they wanted to over willing to overthrow the election, as long as they are the ones you reach across the aisle to, you're not going to get true. You only get fake handshakes from them. You will not get because they will be waiting to get rid of you, okay? To capture you in prison, you in the white house in 2022, and do you will be losing the fire from the youth who want to go with AOC and the squad and this kind of group they want to fund to go with those people. They won't believe in you when you're avoiding seeing the lack of loyal opposition by some notion of normalcy.
Speaker 1 00:45:30 Okay? You have to reach back to Lincoln's normalcy, not Andrew Johnson's normalcy. You have to reach back to Teddy. Roosevelt's enormous C two FTRs normalcy, nothing less new, new deal, green, red, black, yellow, Brown, yellow. That's a normal senior day. Thank you. So, so anyway, this is, uh, you know, I w I should do, I should do a podcast on each of these ideas in more detail and be less disorganized that I am today, because I'm really doing holiday greetings. And I don't know how long this was. And my engineer doesn't tell me, but it's long, probably long enough. And I'm going to do my next podcast is going to be with Curie Westby. And it's going to be over her book, fortune favors, the brave, where she does something for feminism it's internationally. And she Chronicles her work with this group of people. And in her knowledge and her book, not a novel, it's a diary. It's a true story, true bio story. And she's wonderful. And I'm going to do one somehow before new year with her. Okay. So dawning of the light, and here we go. Okay. All the best. Bye. Thank you for listening. If you join and let's really go for it, let's speak out. Let's, let's be clear. Let's reach out
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Speaker 1 00:47:16 And embrace those who will repent from this whole game. They've been playing of not being a loyal opposition and not allowing them for the government to function, to defend the people against ruthless oligarchic, corporate power. There is good corporate power. Not all of them are bad, whether we shouldn't be anti wealth, we're not anti billionaire. We love them. We need their help. We need to see a division among them. We need the good ones to help us because they can make decisions quickly and they can help. We need them. We're not anti them. We shouldn't frighten them. We shouldn't speak that said, you know, Bernie and socialism, we don't need, we don't need to use that term in this, in this anti rich way. We need the help of the rich as well as the poor, as well as the fading median middle. Okay. Let's be clear about that from right away. Okay. All the best
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