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Speaker 2 00:00:48 This is episode 284. The great connection Zipkin and the five aggregates.
Speaker 3 00:01:14 So professor, can you tell us please why you translated great connection. Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much. Uh, it was simply noticing the Sanskrit word, which, uh, which I had, I had noted, um, noted before. Uh, and I knew in my heart Sunday was the word and I always, it was just a vaguely in the back of my mind for many years. Like why are they translating Sunday in the same word as they translate each partner or this party in Sanskrit for the and the unexcelled yoga tantras of the new translations and w how come Sunday is getting the same job part doc finish as the finishing or completion, or what I prefer, or perfection saves you when you can call it. And I was saying, why did they do that? Well, there must be a meeting of that. And I just never thought again about it.
Speaker 3 00:02:12 And then the other day, I, I bumped into in the, in the fact that in the, the fourth and fifth stages of the five stages of the Dorian to perfection stage the stage between the fourth and fifth, as you move into the fifth, which is Buddhahood, although there's an incomplete form of Buddhahood, you know, what they call, uh, you know, the like mother and child clear light, there's still only the child clear light with the magic body in that. And then the mother clear light is when it's complete Buddhahood, but it's a Yogananda, um, a stage, which I like to call communion, not union because the yoga of the yoga nada yoga means a pear. And now that means bound together. So people say union, you sort of just think of that the two merged into one, but by keeping the word you got in it in Sanskrit, or soon in Tibet, in some joke, so means mutually entering each other, but the, the pair still is still kept.
Speaker 3 00:03:16 So it's this kind of it's you could say, I pay homage to the, to the inconceivability of ultimate reality, that it is beyond collapsing to one side or another. And so perfection has the connotation of being the absolute, the ultimate, you know, the final. And so, but Sunday in Sanskrit, and of course, everyone knows anybody who knows Sanskrit knows that Sunday is the rules of grammar, where one word connecting to another, in a compound changes the last Val of the previous word or continent and the first continent or about of an expert. So it's, uh, it means connection and to connect the two things change. And so that's what Sunday means. And they are not at a Sunday. Therefore the good connection means the connection of the absolute and the relative in the case of the Huguenot there. So, so then going back to Doug Chen, uh, I will go back to one thing.
Speaker 3 00:04:19 That's always been a mystery in my mind, of course, because I'm not yet enlightened. Unfortunately, although I'm sniffing around the edges a little more after 55 years of working on it 60 years. And, um, but there's one thing we know the good zone come from when he was 40 years old, 41 years old in 1398, who claimed after an experience that he had of complete understanding of irritating, he got everything clear, his idea, but he would say, yeah, and finally understood not how to do that sort of thing, which means it must have been enlightened. But then he also says in colloquial tra tradition, he was surprised it was the opposite of what he expected.
Speaker 3 00:05:09 He was a great scholar since the age of five or four, he knew how to read automatically. He was initiated every Monday night, seven is a monk, his lifelong mendicant in great Yogi and so forth. And, uh, and yet when he got completely clear, he said it was the opposite of what he expected and nobody ever explains it. And I still don't understand it because he read every text and everything, every school, he had been my teachers and content teachers, and, uh, he respected all of them. And, uh, but the way I think I understand it is that when you become Buddha, it's sort of like, you feel like you're going to feel very triumphant, going to be a feel like God or something, and it's all going to be perfect. Everything's going to be perfect. And so you expect that, but there are, the problem is you don't just have the wisdom of knowing the reality I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 00:06:12 That wisdom becomes infinite compassion and your bliss is so strong. You can never have expected it. And it is so strong. You can be completely empathetic with every being who doesn't feel that way. And nowadays, what I'm saying is you have all these faces like you have the super zoom and the Buddha, but we're going to have a screen and infinite zoom screen with invented gallery of beings, not just human here, and many, many faces, there'll be a little spiral phase of the crocodile phase. But as a Buddha, you will completely be empathetic, will feel everything that everybody feels your bliss is so powerful. It suffuses, it suffuses everything. And so it's like, you're there and you think it's perfect. And then what do you hear everybody is un-muted everybody is muted. And what do you hear a giant sound sounds?
Speaker 3 00:07:26 Because even the crocodile is expecting the crocodile hunter to get it, you know, or the bigger crocodile or whatever, you know, like somewhere, there's this fear, as you say again about red door, fear and hope and anxiety hope and, and fearful anticipation. And, and so you didn't expect that. But of course, luckily the one thing compassion is not empathetic. As some people say that is not correct. That's just, theirs is not empathetic because I stayed in, they didn't go that far with it. But apparently, and this is why it's inexplainable and you can't express it because it doesn't make sense to say you're so blessed out that you can completely feel someone who's totally miserable. And you could also find in them the potential of their being blissed out, because you were merged with declare, right. And you know that they're there, their agony is made of their right.
Speaker 3 00:08:27 Although they don't know that. So then you just, what happens to you? I think it's like the sun bolder higher. You're the assemble, the higher, which is perfection. That's the great perfection body of super bliss. I'm no total blood sample party or your body is helpless. And then you, all of the, you not disconnect, you're connected with everything because you are everything. You feel, you feel the other beings, your cells, but they're not there with you yet in their knowledge, they are in their substance, but not in their knowledge. So your compassion makes you shatter in a thousand pieces. That's called the emanation body because you then become whatever they need to see. It's like you can match an infill the June with infinite zoom near my neck near amount. I mean, super zoom. You know, you break away into different emanations. And isn't that took out in Dalton, says that the turnout part where you see everything as play of light, but then you see beings how they are this play of light, but they think like a big drama.
Speaker 3 00:09:41 And they think they are freaking out like me, someone like me, and they're freaking out all the time. And so, and so then you're there for them. However, they need to, however they need you to be there. So I just thought the problem, you know, let me find it all spiritual traditions camera. And I think, especially from men, especially comes from men who have a harder time connecting and who tend to go off by themselves, like, because they're very aggressive and they go shoot off a shoot that they get to build a billion hundreds of billions of dollars, and they want to go to Mars and a rocket.
Speaker 3 00:10:25 And so, so in spiritual traditions, people get a vision of that, of the absolute, the ultimate goal. That's some sort of super isolation because then no one can bug them. And you know that until you just, you and Brahma and the bees are just an illusion, the Brahmans want to say, cause they don't want to have to deal with the lower casts and animals. And, uh, then you have a big space experience. You feel like you're in that space and you really want to be like wash the dishes somewhere in a sink and have to take care of not to break the plates. And you just, there's no plates and no washer and no dishes and no nothing. So you're kind of, but you feel like expansive. So if they'll could, at first, before you get bored and lonely, as you say, so, so then I tried to think, well then why did Tibetans translate dog chat?
Speaker 3 00:11:21 Like with the word Zopa instead of DELWP Del Chen, which would be a great connection temple, but know 10 Joel, something. So then I thought, well, good. She came at a time when Tibetans were all warriors and the males were very dominant, therefore, because they were conquerors. You know, Tibetans nowadays is all manifest my home again, lost there in Rome, happily curing people and healing and teaching us and Tibetans are very gentle and sweet. They're very empathetic and very loving and friendly mostly. And nobody's perfect and except put out. And then, so at that time, when he came, he was dealing with like, remember the story about Gouda, Virginia, where he met their emperor and he didn't bow to the emperor. And then the courtiers, the warrior is around the generals, the Nobles, they said, you better power. We're going to decapitate you to know if you kept about power to the emperor or you're dead meat.
Speaker 3 00:12:29 And he said, and, and, uh, she did like this with his head, according to the story and flames came out of the tips of his fingers and they all had to duck to get it, not burned by the flames. So they bowed and he just said, what was their high should bow to? And it went like that with his head bowed. So he had to be a bit fiery, but those warriors, because they were violent people. So then they wanted perfection. They wanted the final goal. They wanted the final conquest, which check-in when you put a face that in India is his time also. And therefore our hat means you have to have one who destroyed their enemy. You can also go on set. The word saved. I'll have meaning enemy dysphoria. So your military terms can be used for the conquering of the highest state.
Speaker 3 00:13:20 So then they use the job and they didn't have the sec, the later translations with the idea of Liam and KDM and blah, blah, blah, and, uh, you know, take trips and, and, uh, kind of get our sort of mysterious cryptic expressions for it, full expansion, full perfection, opposite, hitting the absolute. You could say of emptiness and then interconnecting through love and compassion. We took out seeing things as play out like no five, five wisdoms and so on. So then that's the reason that they, they translated as dog prop because it is although it's connection, it's connection as perfection. So the final goal is where absolute and relative are one thing where Nirvana and Samsara are one thing. And luckily Nirvana is stronger. And so there is no sorrow, but you didn't destroy anybody. And you didn't destroy. Even the suffering being, you're just freedom from suffering.
Speaker 3 00:14:19 So they can be happy, but you don't leave them and abandon them. You have a bodhisattva vow of compassion, never to abandon the other beings who bring everyone with you into your neuron. So, but that's, but you still know where they are at the time you reached out. And then you're there all time is your time. And you, you, their future, you, you have that going so you haven't abandoned anybody, but they take time. You can't force them to be Buddhists. So then it takes them time to, to evolve to that. And you're there with your compassionate emanations, Hermanas. Like you, you talk, you don't do gumbo. Was it emanation of medicine, Buddha. So, but medicine, Buddha was already put out and then you talk was healing. People who weren't Buddha, but medicine, Buddha was still there with them, seeing to it that they were healed with maximum effectiveness.
Speaker 3 00:15:10 So that connection is a perfect connection. So there's no contradiction, but I just think we Western people, most of us are still conquerors, actually still living on top of genocide and slavery and poor people and all sorts of the colonialism. We're still burning if 60% of the world's energy and we're 5% of the world's population are some figures, some ridiculous figure like that. And we're matching China practically almost with 1.4 billion people in the level of pollution that we produce in the U S not your nice Europeans. You're better ahead of us nowadays, because you have that terrible war on your land and we're backward. So, you know, there's a danger that the males will think that there's going to get out a little, everything by getting great perfection, rather than they'll become more connected with everything. So that's where I, that's why I went to the seventh grade gala.
Speaker 3 00:16:07 And, uh, and I went to the Sunday, which tells me connection, right? And so the grid connection, perfection. So not to make anybody feel that anything was left out and that's emptiness. And that is expressed by the great Nagarjuna as Shanita Katrina got a bum. My favorite expression, which means emptiness, the womb of compassion, not the emptiness, not emptiness flying in the sky or by yourself, going with Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk of tomorrows, Matt Damon to eat potatoes. No, that means you're connected to everything. You're bringing everybody with you and you don't abandon a single little light. Takeda is amazing thinking that after seven to every 17 years in the new England, in this part of the United States, zip 1 trillion, Chiquet those at night, you know, like a cricket they had, they'd been sitting underground for 17 years and they all come out and hatch like big bands.
Speaker 3 00:17:25 And then some other birds come and eat them and so forth. And some of them propagated and they go down in the earth for 17 more years. So we're about to be connected. They want to be on every tree branch and every flower plant. That's going to be the zillion Chiquita. So the earth we're connected to the earth. It's so strange. Anyway, and then today I was listening this morning, before I came on to Krishna DAS and he touched my heart and we must all pray and dedicate our efforts this weekend. I think to India, the people are dying like spies in India. It's really terrible. What's going on there under the, under the silly, no fundamentalist business that's happening there. And the lack of tech, you know, technology and lack of oxygen and lack of sales objectives and escalations lack of everything. They're just stacked up in the bodies are stacked up in the street outside of the hospital. Now it's just terrible. And, uh, it is a area of attack, you know, from the Tibetans, they call it the land of the noble ones where Buddha chose to exercise to demonstrate his deeds and start his top 10. It's great perfection teaching and good remember channel. So, and it was that same time as put out. Actually, I agree. You are on .
Speaker 3 00:18:52 So that's, so that's why I did it gala. I'm sorry. That's why I made that translation. That just for fun. And I was wondering if you would, how critical you were going to be, and I'm glad that you love it too, but of course we can always, it's not, not perfection. Nobody's saying it's not perfection. You know, there are some people who try to pretend that you're enlightened and then you still feel like shit. And that just means how they feel. They're just, they tell you, or they're calling for help because when you are enlightened, you are going to feel so great. You won't even be able to even be containable within your single body. You're blessed will be like beyond body and mind. Apparently. I mean, inexpressible, conceivable. Okay. No. So are you again? That's my introduction. Okay. Thank you. Well know a little bit journey.
Speaker 3 00:19:43 Finally, as gala yourselves, I am so excited to be with you and I to have discovered you and met you. I don't know, 5, 6, 7, 8. I don't know how many years ago. And when I first even heard your name, you said I was in France and I saw a little poster of the NIDA and the war. And I just was so excited. And I asked Sophia, you know, where is he? Where can I beat him? And so finally I did, because I love that you are a guru of RTO, a really sharp, great one, and we're so honored to have you teaching us. And that you're also a doctor. And so, you know, the problems that people suffer and have, and you engage with them in a creative way. And that is such a wonderful thing. And I truly admire it. And I'm really grateful to have you here at any time that we do.
Speaker 3 00:20:36 I know I would love to capture you, keep you an addict, but I can't. Cause you're a free, free spirit. Anytime you show up on zoom or any time, I'm just excited. So thank you again, although the thing about lucid, isn't it interesting when you lose it in a dream and you know, you're dreaming. That means I, that Bella Della, I was worrying about, uh, you know, the lucidity, the mirror was being connected to hatred instead of, usually in yoga and unexcelled yoga tantra, the, um, the poison of hatred is transmuted alchemically into the ultimate reality perfection or purity wisdom. So I it's, I'm not used to it being, but in the yoga sutras, the yoga tantras in the new system, you know, the it's connect the mirror with the misconnected to, um, uh, the delusion delusion, poison, you know, ignorance, poison. So I was his butt, but when you lose lucid, that means, you know, you're in a dream, but that means, you know, there is a waking state that you're not in.
Speaker 3 00:22:06 So there is, um, I, I tend to think of enlightenment beyond the expression, uh, something like an inconceivable tolerance of cognitive dissonance, which is a simple way of saying you allow your mind to be so open that it can hold opposites without any effort, as you say automatically. So when you are lucid in a dream and you know, there's another state, but you don't bother with it. But the worrying about that, you are just lucid in your dream where you're very relaxed. And, uh, so being lucid, you're completely engaged in the dream, but you do, and you don't wake up until the other state. So that's why the wonderful Chinese Dallas masters, he said no who without, without overt connection to, but our Dharma, but that, because he came at an earlier era, but then Buddhism was known in China. But, uh, he, he woke up and then in the daytime, and then he said, I dreamed I was a butterfly last night. And now I don't know whether I'm a human who dreamed there was a power fly or a butterfly who is dreaming is a human trunk. It's a great Dallas Skytron. So we are lucid in Rick. And I guess they're not sure whether we're here, we're aware we're meditating or not meditating. As you said, whether we had a tutor, they say there's no attainment. And don't non-attainment at the same time.
Speaker 3 00:24:09 So I don't know what else there is to say a speechless, as you say, of course faceless. The thing about speechless is that there's one Zen master . So I really liked, you said, you said when Buddha speaks, then the flowers, the gods showers, the speaker and the audience with the flowers flower petals. So when gala points out, the relaxed letting go, it's like the God showers, but then there's investors who cleans up the flower petals who sweeps them up afterwards. He says, and then it also says such a garrulous speech speechlessness fills the dragon cheese cave with scriptures speaks this Buddha and the dragon case cave is filled with scriptures. It says, although he never said a single word, I say things like, and that's also very great because, you know, people say, I realized, they say, oh, I saw the clear light they say, but how can you see the clear, right? When you are the Carolina boy, you see what?
Speaker 3 00:25:44 So being lucid, even in the darkness, even in the sunlight, even in the Moonlight, in the clearing, the lawyer in the clear light at all times, I think is really far. I see. So do you never regret, you know, clear cannot be an object because unless, unless you're it. So then you don't see it that you are at and being lucid, you know, you're it, wherever else you're in is the dreaming. So, you know, you're awake when you're dreaming, but you're engaged fully in the dream. So you are blissful. Weakness is enough to be engaged in being suffering.
Speaker 3 00:26:52 This I think is the special, great connection. Perfection. What's a great perfection connection, two opposite things. Absolutely relative, completely rude chick, pot, single taste. What do you say? Are you speechless? So professor, can you explain us about five aggregates? Uh, well, yeah, there's a schema that used for meditating for looking into the cells to find the cells. And then the news flash was they didn't find anything. So then they realized that itself, the capsule itself is an illusion. And actually that the being is relational is all interrelated with everything, you know, empty of any capsule and therefore related to everything. So that's, that's the thyroid. So that then actually of course, in tantra, then we'd say the five aggregates are the five Buddhas. You know, usually they connect the viral channel with the form. And then the five sense objects are usually called the five media or the five realms.
Speaker 3 00:28:18 The doctor, your doctor come. And, uh, the, the, the aggregate term in English usually used for the five, uh, Palumbo co-owner. So you usually, so, but you can call them aggregates to the same, but, uh, the usual five aggregates are formed feeling concept impulse and consciousness, and, uh, and, uh, for they equals match her then forming the five senses is the visible object. And the sound objective said subject. So that's, it's like, those are usually called five English. They're usually called five realms, like a calm, you know, calm and, uh, or even medium, the sense medium, so sound and a form, physical form and smell and taste and touch the objects are really the same thing. But then we divide them up according to the organs that we have. So they're kind of mediums actually of objective mediums and their, the physical ones are all in the form aggregate.
Speaker 3 00:29:36 Then the sensation or feeling aggregate is pleasure or pain, numbness, new child neutrals here. And the concepts are huge. All the words and images and so forth. The impulses are the emotions, you know, anger and also sense of activity and energy is, and then consciousness, is there six consciousnesses, mental consciousness, visual consciousness sound, what is this? And this is, we call it, I call it's interesting. I'm so interested that you have the scheme. It's like at yoga, I'll be Dharma the way no organizing all the, all the different ways. We perceive the world through our concepts, organizing them in a, in a way of seeing they're seeing their regular way ordinary way, and then their purified way. So that a sense of connection to things fits with the details of the things. And they all become Buddhas that way. And they all become elements of Buddhahood.
Speaker 3 00:30:45 So people think the Dharma is only for the tech men, you know, the individual vehicle for the single mendicant, the monk, or they're not, but actually the Maya has its own Abby Dharma and tantra at yoga have their own avatar. Now there were many systematize systematized cosmology or something like that, psychophysical cosmology. So the aggregates are, so they're just schema of course, that there are five, this isn't that's the other, but this is useful because it's like having a blueprint of a house. You have a blueprint of your capsule as you put it, I think really wonderfully, your capsule is made up of these things. And then you look at them and you become aware of the full dimension of it. And then you look to find if there's this ordinary alienated and isolated itself in these, in this sort of a blueprint, you know, in the, in the sort of model of the world, uh, that you can't find it there. And then you realize your idea that it is there and your feeling is that it is there and your assumption and concept that it is there is mistake. And that's your, it's your miss knowledge. And then you're you liberate your report by doing that.
Speaker 3 00:32:11 So just like, for example, consciousness, when I remember when my, my teacher originally taught me some of these Abbey Dima types of schemes, schema town, schema ties things. And you think because we think our consciousness is sort of one thing, we'd make a capsule out of our consciousness. And then he said, well, actually, when you look at your consciousness, very often, it's just evolved in your sense, your sight objects, it's your vision consciousness, or then you're listening to things. Then your consciousness is connected to your hearing processes. Then you're smelling, tasting, touching things, and it's connected. Then finally, your six consciousness is just looking at your, at your mental images and your mentor, your dream and your dream, where you see things, it creates an inner CA and an inner hearing and spot. So actually concert. This is complete multiplicity of things. And that kind of, I remember I felt sort of almost nauseas and dizzy.
Speaker 3 00:33:17 When I first heard it, maybe feel like the world was spinning because I sort of analyze it, like taking it in or taking it into pieces. You become aware of this sort of like a swirling confusion that we just pretend to ourselves is one thing, our consciousness it's actually like, like it's a ruder as you put it river on tape. So that breaks down the rigidity of feeling I'm this capsule that's alienated from other things that's separated from other takes. And, um, so the idea that in tantra, then again, people, as you say, they just want to hear about essence of rig, just put on awareness and they, they want to isolate it, find something isolated so they can kind of recover that she is being separate. Whereas really the way you're doing the RT, yoga is spreading to everything, you know, the real prize.
Speaker 3 00:34:18 So it's aware of everything and it sees the sense of them as separate things as illusory. So they can fully move around and is aware of all of them look in all directions, right? Like, you know, like when you imagine yourself as a magic body, illusion body with many faces, really looking at all directions at once out of different faces with many eyes. And so that sort of shatters the brain organizing itself as like a, this fixed one thing, separate capsule, those are all methods of doing that. So I just, it's just really great camera. I like it. , it's wonderful because it, you know, in a way you never find, you know, we assume we have this fixed cells, that's our capsule. And then we think, well, I'm going to, I'm going to go to seminar America, we'll have a Saturday, I'm gonna go on a retreat.
Speaker 3 00:35:23 And I'm going to find my true selves, find my identity, you know? So then Buddha says, well, okay, where do you look for it? Oh, you look for it in all of these complexities of your, of your person, your mind and body and speech, your ideas and your sensations, that your nervous system or whatever it is, your elements, space, wind, fire tear, you look all everywhere and then you have a sense of, okay, that's those are all of the things that are, that are made of are you want to grease the, using the schema. And then you look a look and then you can't find any separate thing in there, but then you never find its absence. You don't find a new cells. You just don't find ourselves. And after a while, by not finding it, you begin to realize the not finding begins to touch your sense of the capsule.
Speaker 3 00:36:23 And it kind of melts it. And when it melts the capsule, then we melt into rigpa. It goes into Rick pot, and then you adjust Omni, directional, Omni, temporal awareness, and Buddha awareness, I think. But if you just say, without having, without having first dissolves that sense of the separate capsule, if you then to say, well, yeah, I just had this one rape. Then the danger is you will think that you're a loser revealing of being a separate capsule is now a separate, great capsule or something like a big capsule. You're still separate. So I know someone a long time ago who was very much fanatic about Sharma and, uh, really was determined they work or do anything else until they had this common thought. One Lama said that that person would never achieve shot because they didn't understand guru gratitude.
Speaker 3 00:37:43 So I, I I'm always puzzled about that because the way shamatha is presented, it's like almost a mechanical thing, nine stages, you know, focused, more focused returning to focus effortless, focus, you know, going like that. But it was the way you described going to yoga as going through the channel of gratitude and that as opening up sort of faith in reality and gratitude for everything, kind of the goodness of reality, thereby allowing someone emotionally to give themselves. So one point it does. Yeah. So that actually, even if you don't have one point and said, you do RT yoga by working in where we're, where you're teaching today, then that will help your one point in that dark, sorry, better than some sort of mechanical doing one part. It does without connection with, with the gratitude to the guru, yoga, it actually, they call it the .
Speaker 3 00:38:57 This is a root versus our wisdom, but the name of it actually is wisdom. It's a book called wisdom, 27 trap chapters by Nagarjuna and a wonderful book by his holiness Dalai Lama about it. And there was various translations and the more recent ones are better. They're getting better and better. Maybe it's still not perfect, but better and better. How do you call it that book? A wisdom is really the name of it. Uh, you know, project now ma the root central way or middleware versus that's what the full title is. A subtitle is the central my Democrat middleweight versus, and what they are, or the programming for, um, meditating on selflessness and discovering self-assess. Yeah, yeah. Analytic people. Please read that book.
Speaker 3 00:39:57 And this question, gamma, there is a very nice thing. The Lama Govinda, who was a German Bolivia mixture guy who was, uh, uh, passed away at some time ago, but he was an early writer onto boat is a very good one. And the army top a Buddha is a connected with social topic issue or which people will translate as discriminating wisdom or discriminating and tuition. But instead of translating as discriminating, he translated it as individual aging wisdom or individually into intuition. And that's how I think really good, because the way you could do the things, your mind is a positive way. When you as deadlines, should you rightly that there's no right and wrong, then everything you can create as an individual thing as positive. So it becomes creativity like as an artist, you know, that you paint something that's different from on the canvas, that's different from the canvas, but that's a good difference because it shares beauty and it opens people's minds.
Speaker 3 00:41:10 So instead of calling it discriminating with some, we make it more positive, say individuating by some or create. So I, because I'm in top of the low-dose family for Avalokiteshvara high griever, Taba partner, Samba, they're all about family. And that is all about being creative in particular, such specific situations. So in individual situations, so it's taking the universal universal connectedness and making something creative out of compassion for others. So I think that's a good take. That's it? There's nothing negative. Therefore, even this, even your distinguishing mind is positive. So I like his translation of that one. It's social okay, because there's, everything's good. It's all good. Some of about dry. That's why the old school, they make big fuss about some of the backdrop. It's a month about your mates. Totally good. All around, but everything is good.
Speaker 3 00:42:20 And then some of the partners in every Adam, some of the brothers everywhere, right? Actually, it's a very amazing, I was just thinking in my own mind last night to hear about things that people who say, God is omnipotent. Get stuck with God as your version of God. They're not compassionate to God. If we have compassion to God, we wouldn't blame him for suffering and evil. And may by claiming his omnipotent. He didn't say, I don't know, different gods. They don't really say their own bit, but usually they don't say it. They say, well, I'm trying to do everything nice. They usually say, I love everybody. So that then subconsciously, if they're omnipotent, we have to blame them for evil and suffering. So we're not being compassionate to God. That's all. I just was thinking that last night I was thinking I would write a book about how to be compassionate on God. And I thought I might get arrested if I do that, maybe I get arrested. So I better not do that. I don't know. I was just thinking about myself. Okay. Thank you everyone. Cat. It's time to go. We dedicate the merit. Maybe we dedicate a show here. So we dedicate the merit, but we all become medicine Buddhas. You talk quickly to make everybody else medicine like medicine for, I want to do, I love you talk prayer. You talk praise that he wants to be like a rainstorm of healing. So he wants to lay you talks as drops of rain that will heal every being suffering. That's so beautiful. Thank you so much.
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